Save the women and the children first

[Senkaku]

I would say, based on the miraculous self-propelled steel wagons lined up outside of the gigantic concrete and steel structure I live inside, illuminated by flameless light, that yes, a little bit

I’d say there’s a difference between instinct and intellect. We’re not exactly the most rational of creatures.

Two things-- firstly, while we've struggled to apply rationalism to politics and smaller-scale interpersonal relations; we have no such problems in a lot of other areas of life, honestly. I don't think discovering the atom and building nuclear reactors can really be characterized as in any way instinctive to humans, nor are a lot of modern business practices and management theories. Secondly, "rationalist" achievements aren't the only thing to measure our transcendence of basic evolutionary instinct-- you can't tell me King Lear or the Sistine Chapel ceiling were just the great ape equivalent of a spider spinning a web.

[Adamede]

I’d say there’s a difference between instinct and intellect. We’re not exactly the most rational of creatures.

Two things-- firstly, while we've struggled to apply rationalism to politics and smaller-scale interpersonal relations; we have no such problems in a lot of other areas of life, honestly. I don't think discovering the atom and building nuclear reactors can really be characterized as in any way instinctive to humans, nor are a lot of modern business practices and management theories. Secondly, "rationalist" achievements aren't the only thing to measure our transcendence of basic evolutionary instinct-- you can't tell me King Lear or the Sistine Chapel ceiling were just the great ape equivalent of a spider spinning a web.

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m not denying that the human mind is capable of things that instincts can’t accomplish such as culture and sciences.

However that does not mean that we have moved beyond our based instincts. It’s all coding, for lack of a better word, that’s been built atop one another. The rational mind didn’t replace our animal one, but it exists alongside it.

[Senkaku]

Two things-- firstly, while we've struggled to apply rationalism to politics and smaller-scale interpersonal relations; we have no such problems in a lot of other areas of life, honestly. I don't think discovering the atom and building nuclear reactors can really be characterized as in any way instinctive to humans, nor are a lot of modern business practices and management theories. Secondly, "rationalist" achievements aren't the only thing to measure our transcendence of basic evolutionary instinct-- you can't tell me King Lear or the Sistine Chapel ceiling were just the great ape equivalent of a spider spinning a web.

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m not denying that the human mind is capable of things that instincts can’t accomplish such as culture and sciences.

However that does not mean that we have moved beyond our based instincts. It’s all coding, for lack of a better word, that’s been built atop one another. The rational mind didn’t replace our animal one, but it exists alongside it.

no one reads what I write in my posts before replying to them and I’m just going to live with it from here on out

[Galloism]

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m not denying that the human mind is capable of things that instincts can’t accomplish such as culture and sciences.

However that does not mean that we have moved beyond our based instincts. It’s all coding, for lack of a better word, that’s been built atop one another. The rational mind didn’t replace our animal one, but it exists alongside it.

no one reads what I write in my posts before replying to them and I’m just going to live with it from here on out

Oh you’re going to give me your apartment? Thanks!

[Atheris]

Option 3: Don't be morons and bring more lifeboats.

Speaking of the Titanic, there's a fascinating (albeit completely baseless) theory that it was swapped with the Olympic as an insurance scam.

[Adamede]

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m not denying that the human mind is capable of things that instincts can’t accomplish such as culture and sciences.

However that does not mean that we have moved beyond our based instincts. It’s all coding, for lack of a better word, that’s been built atop one another. The rational mind didn’t replace our animal one, but it exists alongside it.

no one reads what I write in my posts before replying to them and I’m just going to live with it from here on out

Yah well no one ever read mine either.

[Bombadil]

I'd have run down to the kitchens and got one big ass cooking pot, climbed inside with a huge spatula and rowed myself off to safety.

Actually this led me to google whether anyone did try to create their own boats, which led me to this nugget of a story..

However, amongst the survivors was one Charles Joughin.

He was the head baker on the Titanic, but his real claim to fame is the story of how he survived the shipwreck. You see, even though Joughin was asleep when the ship hit the iceberg, in the succeeding hours he managed to order his bakers to bring bread to the lifeboats, have a drink, help women and children into lifeboats (at times by force, as they were scared to leave the Titanic), and throw roughly 50 deck chairs into the water to act as flotation devices before riding the topmost part of the ship into the water as it sank.

Joughin proceeded to tread water for about two hours before encountering a lifeboat, and eventually being rescued by the RMS Carpathia. He is believed to be the very last survivor to leave the ship, and he claimed that his head barely even got wet. When he was rescued his only medical complaint was swollen feet.

Link

Personally while I'd like to think I'd be a hero and let women, children and even men get on a lifeboat before me I'm not so sure in reality.

[The Two Jerseys]

Plus on the Titanic they were letting half empty boats down because it was women and children only.

That's just plain old stupid, moral philosophy aside.

That was more due to poor training and discipline than anything. Apparently some of the officers incorrectly thought that the lifeboat davits were too weak to support a fully-loaded boat and interpreted the captain's order as "put the women and children in the boats and lower them, then have the men climb down into the boats", but once they were lowered the discipline among the boat crews broke down and they just started rowing away.

[Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles]

I'd have run down to the kitchens and got one big ass cooking pot, climbed inside with a huge spatula and rowed myself off to safety.

Actually this led me to google whether anyone did try to create their own boats, which led me to this nugget of a story..

However, amongst the survivors was one Charles Joughin.

He was the head baker on the Titanic, but his real claim to fame is the story of how he survived the shipwreck. You see, even though Joughin was asleep when the ship hit the iceberg, in the succeeding hours he managed to order his bakers to bring bread to the lifeboats, have a drink, help women and children into lifeboats (at times by force, as they were scared to leave the Titanic), and throw roughly 50 deck chairs into the water to act as flotation devices before riding the topmost part of the ship into the water as it sank.

Joughin proceeded to tread water for about two hours before encountering a lifeboat, and eventually being rescued by the RMS Carpathia. He is believed to be the very last survivor to leave the ship, and he claimed that his head barely even got wet. When he was rescued his only medical complaint was swollen feet.

Link

Personally while I'd like to think I'd be a hero and let women, children and even men get on a lifeboat before me I'm not so sure in reality.

With A Dos Equis in hand the whole time cause that's some Most Interesting Man level stuff right there.

[Disgraces]

Women and children first

[Bombadil]

I'd have run down to the kitchens and got one big ass cooking pot, climbed inside with a huge spatula and rowed myself off to safety.

Actually this led me to google whether anyone did try to create their own boats, which led me to this nugget of a story..

However, amongst the survivors was one Charles Joughin.

He was the head baker on the Titanic, but his real claim to fame is the story of how he survived the shipwreck. You see, even though Joughin was asleep when the ship hit the iceberg, in the succeeding hours he managed to order his bakers to bring bread to the lifeboats, have a drink, help women and children into lifeboats (at times by force, as they were scared to leave the Titanic), and throw roughly 50 deck chairs into the water to act as flotation devices before riding the topmost part of the ship into the water as it sank.

Joughin proceeded to tread water for about two hours before encountering a lifeboat, and eventually being rescued by the RMS Carpathia. He is believed to be the very last survivor to leave the ship, and he claimed that his head barely even got wet. When he was rescued his only medical complaint was swollen feet.

Link

Personally while I'd like to think I'd be a hero and let women, children and even men get on a lifeboat before me I'm not so sure in reality.

With A Dos Equis in hand the whole time cause that's some Most Interesting Man level stuff right there.

Likely..

While various sourced debate the level to which Joughin was inebriated, it can be certain that he had at least some alcohol in his system when he entered the Atlantic Ocean. This fact may have simultaneously helped and hindered his survival.

[Atheris]

Women and children first

Why? In a life or death scenario I'm saving myself and my family over people I don't know. It's an opinion I'm not necessarily proud of, but it's ingrained in basic human nature. The protection of your own tribe over any others is part of not just human nature but of our primate cousins like chimpanzees.

[Disgraces]

Women and children first

Why? In a life or death scenario I'm saving myself and my family over people I don't know. It's an opinion I'm not necessarily proud of, but it's ingrained in basic human nature. The protection of your own tribe over any others is part of not just human nature but of our primate cousins like chimpanzees.

I answered as if I wasn't accompanied by my family.

[Atheris]

Why? In a life or death scenario I'm saving myself and my family over people I don't know. It's an opinion I'm not necessarily proud of, but it's ingrained in basic human nature. The protection of your own tribe over any others is part of not just human nature but of our primate cousins like chimpanzees.

I answered as if I wasn't accompanied by my family.

I'd still save myself first.

[Picairn]

Save Children, pregnant women, those with injuries etc first then begin evacuating abled bodied people both men and women. I hate this notion men should stay behind and die, men should not be seen as expendable.

Or you know make sure ships are outfitted with enough rowboats and emergency craft for the total number of crew and passengers it can carry so you dont have to discriminate based on sex or anything else.

This. Although I'm a male, self-preservation comes first so that I can gather all the survivors together and campaign for all ships to be fitted with enough boats for everyone. This way we will save more people.

[Disgraces]

I answered as if I wasn't accompanied by my family.

I'd still save myself first.

I wouldn't

[Atheris]

I'd still save myself first.

I wouldn't

Why not?

[The Marlborough]

Women and children first. I could understand someone saying first come, first serve in regards to adult males and females (though disagreeing with it) but I cannot for the life of me see how a grown ass man would be willing to not sacrifice his spot in favor of a child.

[Adamede]

I'd still save myself first.

I wouldn't

Have you ever actually been in such a situation?

[Disgraces]

I wouldn't

Why not?

Just because.

I wouldn't

Have you ever actually been in such a situation?

Obviously not.

[Atheris]

Women and children first. I could understand someone saying first come, first serve in regards to adult males and females (though disagreeing with it) but I cannot for the life of me see how a grown ass man would be willing to not sacrifice his spot in favor of a child.

Children are small enough to fit on someone's, preferably their parent's, lap. Alternatively, assuming the lifeboat is big enough, people can just sit on the floor of it.

[The Marlborough]

Women and children first. I could understand someone saying first come, first serve in regards to adult males and females (though disagreeing with it) but I cannot for the life of me see how a grown ass man would be willing to not sacrifice his spot in favor of a child.

Children are small enough to fit on someone's, preferably their parent's, lap. Alternatively, assuming the lifeboat is big enough, people can just sit on the floor of it.

Life boats have to take into account space and weight. Even if it's myself and one child, if letting go of my spot means another one or two kids can get on then I'm stepping off and putting them in the boat.

[Atheris]

Children are small enough to fit on someone's, preferably their parent's, lap. Alternatively, assuming the lifeboat is big enough, people can just sit on the floor of it.

Life boats have to take into account space and weight. Even if it's myself and one child, if letting go of my spot means another one or two kids can get on then I'm stepping off and putting them in the boat.

Or you could move to another seat. They're good big boats, Brent.

[Bombadil]

I wouldn't

Have you ever actually been in such a situation?

I have of sorts, and conducted myself relatively decently. Essentially while scuba diving there was a section where the current ran super strongly against a coral wall - if you missed catching a grip on something at the end you would be swept out to sea. It was way stronger than I thought and I knew there were weaker divers behind me so I caught about the last rock available so that I could catch anyone who missed gripping on as well as act as a marker for the end while leaving plenty space before me.

If I had missed or slipped that last rock I wouldn't be typing this.

The reward was seeing hundreds and hundreds of Barracuda all lined up, as they used the current to sit still given the water flowed through their gills.

[Thepeopl]

Women and children first. I could understand someone saying first come, first serve in regards to adult males and females (though disagreeing with it) but I cannot for the life of me see how a grown ass man would be willing to not sacrifice his spot in favor of a child.

I think the reason why ships do have this doctrine is to prevent fights and chaos when running to the boats.

It doesn't matter who is allowed first, as long as there is a clear rule of conduct most ppl will stay calm.

That's why in aeroplanes, the adult needs to put on the oxygen mask on first, then afterwards help the child.
If a child is panicky, it will pass out from oxygen deprivation and then the adult can put on the mask on the child. If the adult keeps fighting with the child without putting on the oxygen mask first themselves, both could pass out.