Is chivalry good

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

What disgusts me is that this thread has been turned into an open invitation for progressives to shun the past (with all its timeless values)

Ah, of course. Chivalry reminds us of Europe as it used to be, charming and noble. Where dying plague victims crawl elegantly through the streets, children save grave-diggers the trouble of having to dig a hole big enough for an adult, soldiers bring looting and rapine the countryside in the honour of kings and the grace of God, and the upper class parties away taxes squeezed out of the peasantry with callous brutality. Such a pleasant, romantic time that we should all emulate.

“Timeless values” my bloody behind! The past can go and die in a hole as far as I care.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

You don’t know what chivalry means, do you?

An Abrahamic code for male warrior nobles (essentially male military officers) which includes treating women well.
I treat women well, am male and intend to be a British Army or Royal Navy intelligence officer.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

https://youtu.be/3HBz_JNgoGs?t=16
That's all I'm gonna leave about this topic.

The penguin boy is right, it is definitely respectful to do it, and shouldn’t be looked badly on.
But my point is that women can open doors for men too, and it would still have the same effect of respectfulness.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

You don’t know what chivalry means, do you?

An Abrahamic code for male warrior nobles (essentially male military officers) which includes treating women well.
I treat women well, am male and intend to be a British Army or Royal Navy intelligence officer.

Yes, it INCLUDES that.

[The Greater Gothic Empire]

Of course, we should be kind, but in modern times tolerating people who refuse or resent the assistance of people based on gender or status is something I can never stand. Even progressivism has a hard time trying to fix this out. While the past isn't something to be blamed for, there are some parts of the past that I wholeheartedly hate.

I’m not sure I fully understand what you mean, but if I do, just because you’re a woman doesn’t mean you need help. That makes no sense.

Not all the time everybody does a little more on saving themselves rather than saving others.

From your viewpoint, captive maidens should not wait for their saviors to come but should find ways to break free of their dragons and castles. I agree with this point, but this ain't an all-time case.

[Kowani]

unless i can use "chivalry" as a court defense when explaining why i charged those windmills, no

[The Greater Gothic Empire]

Ah, of course. Chivalry reminds us of Europe as it used to be, charming and noble. Where dying plague victims crawl elegantly through the streets, children save grave-diggers the trouble of having to dig a hole big enough for an adult, soldiers bring looting and rapine the countryside in the honour of kings and the grace of God, and the upper class parties away taxes squeezed out of the peasantry with callous brutality. Such a pleasant, romantic time that we should all emulate.

“Timeless values” my bloody behind! The past can go and die in a hole as far as I care.

Turns out, if you also look at what's happenning nowadays the masses that resent the state did the same thing as the people in feudal times: burning, looting, bombing, shooting - that's the legacy of feudalism, but in a d*m*cr*ctic setting!

Saying the past can die as much as you don't give f***s about it is like saying the American Revolution was a mistake, or it's right to vandalize statues of Founding Fathers just because they owned slaves (indeed, it's true, but it doesn't mean the Fathers were all perfect and the Revolution would have made America make a clean break with colonial British culture) or are merely apathetic to the plight of 'black' slaves (which is factually true, but at least that despite their actions, they understood what slavery is truly all about).

[The Huskar Social Union]

You can hold the door open for me as many times as you like, I'm still not sleeping with you.

Years of Academy training wasted!

[The Holy Therns]

You can hold the door open for me as many times as you like, I'm still not sleeping with you.

That’s good. I admire your chastity. Chivalry is not about that.

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

[The Free Joy State]

That’s good. I admire your chastity. Chivalry is not about that.

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

It is. Whether a man is being nice because he wants a woman to feel she "owes" him sex, or because he feels he wants her to "owe" adoration and the feeling that she is somehow indebted and couldn't cope without him, it still speaks of a person who wants to create an unequal situation that he feels will lead to him being somehow entitled.

Better to be reciprocally pleasant to everyone you meet, male and female, with nothing in it for you.

[The Holy Therns]

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

It is. Whether a man is being nice because he wants a woman to feel she "owes" him sex, or because he feels he wants her to "owe" adoration and the feeling that she is somehow indebted and couldn't cope without him, it still speaks of a person who wants to create an unequal situation that he feels will lead to him being somehow entitled.

Better to be reciprocally pleasant to everyone you meet, male and female, with nothing in it for you.

Exactly this.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

It is. Whether a man is being nice because he wants a woman to feel she "owes" him sex, or because he feels he wants her to "owe" adoration and the feeling that she is somehow indebted and couldn't cope without him, it still speaks of a person who wants to create an unequal situation that he feels will lead to him being somehow entitled.

Better to be reciprocally pleasant to everyone you meet, male and female, with nothing in it for you.

Makes life a lot easier too.

[Picairn]

Everyone should keep the door open for the person behind, regardless of gender.

Everyone should treat other people with dignity and respect, regardless of gender.

The end.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Everyone should keep the door open for the person behind, regardless of gender.

Everyone should treat other people with dignity and respect, regardless of gender.

The end.

True.

[Sky Reavers]

Ask five different people, what is chivalry, and ya' gonna get fifty opinions on what is this. Ranging from "This is nobles of things. Cause women are weak and we are supposed to care and protect them like kids cause otherwise they ain't gonna last a day." to "This is sexist nonsense, cancel and sue everyone, who even thinks of helping a woman." Between them, there are many sensible interpertations, but they are boring.

So it's not concept of chivalry, that is good or bad. It's about individual interpertations of this concept.

[The Greater Gothic Empire]

Ask five different people, what is chivalry, and ya' gonna get fifty opinions on what is this. Ranging from "This is nobles of things. Cause women are weak and we are supposed to care and protect them like kids cause otherwise they ain't gonna last a day." to "This is sexist nonsense, cancel and sue everyone, who even thinks of helping a woman." Between them, there are many sensible interpertations, but they are boring.

So it's not concept of chivalry, that is good or bad. It's about individual interpertations of this concept.

Like I was saying, chivalry as a concept has become a bad thing nowadays that we don't know which interpretation of the concept is factually accurate.

[Sky Reavers]

Like I was saying, chivalry as a concept has become a bad thing nowadays that we don't know which interpretation of the concept is factually accurate.

If we take old world original interpertation, it's... gonna be controversal, to put it mildly.

[Immoren]

Únderstanding of chivalry is mere mirage projection into past that never existed.

You can hold the door open for me as many times as you like, I'm still not sleeping with you.

I guess I'll sell this novelty double sleeping bag then.

[Ethel mermania]

Únderstanding of chivalry is mere mirage projection into past that never existed.

You can hold the door open for me as many times as you like, I'm still not sleeping with you.

I guess I'll sell this novelty double sleeping bag then.

^ this,

well the struck out part anyway.

Although I am not so crazy about novelty sleeping bags. I never would have bought one in the first place.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

That’s good. I admire your chastity. Chivalry is not about that.

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

I’m trying to be nice to you, sweetie.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

That’s good. I admire your chastity. Chivalry is not about that.

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

Do you mean my attitude?

[Free Ravensburg]

The Code of Chivalry was a moral system which went beyond rules of combat and introduced the concept of Chivalrous conduct - qualities idealized by the Medieval knights such as bravery, courtesy, honor and great gallantry toward women. The Codes of chivalry also incorporated the notion of courtly love.

Source used: http://www.medieval-life-and-times.info/medieval-knights/code-of-chivalry.htm#:~:text=The%20Code%20of%20Chivalry%20was,the%20notion%20of%20courtly%20love.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

He’s agreeing with you.

[The Free Joy State]

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

I’m trying to be nice to you, sweetie.

Calling a grown woman you do not know "sweetie" is as patronising as the concept that women are helpless ikkle damsels who perennially need rescue.

[The Holy Therns]

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

I’m trying to be nice to you, sweetie.

...Am I on Mad Men? Is this an episode of Mad Men?

Chastity's got nothing to do with it. This attitude is incredibly unattractive.

He’s agreeing with you.

He's agreeing with what part? My disapproval of his views or my clarification that his response was completely off the mark?