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by The Marlborough » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:42 am
by Atheris » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:43 am
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:44 am
by Middle Barael » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:45 am
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Middle Barael wrote:When it comes to dissolving entire political institutions that make up the historic precedent and “Overton window” of a nation and instead replacing in with Western values in government, I find that it is vest not to interfere. Even though we may be trying to establish democracy, we are still essentially doing Cultural Imperialism.
As for the Rights of the Oppressed, we should always try to help them, but again abolishing the monarchy in its entirety does not seem fair either.
I’d suggesting trying to diplomatically incentivize the democratization and civil rights in these nations, while allowing them to keep their monarchy that is so tied to their history and culture.
Monarchy and Civil Rights need not be a zero-sum game, and I find that by instituting our Westernized values of democracy where it is not wanted or needed we are being as undemocratic to the culture as the Monarchs are to the people.
Then it is not going anywhere. Human rights and “right” to oppress packaged as culture are not compatible. ISIS sex slave markets, Sati, headhunting and lynching are all cultural practices, aren’t they? Shall we tolerate the existence of these cultural practices? NO!
Collectivism which caused lots of misery shall have no place on Planet Earth.
Adamede wrote:If we can’t advance western ideals of democracy in other cultures, why can we advance western ideals of human rights in them instead?
by The Marlborough » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:45 am
by The Marlborough » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:47 am
by The Marlborough » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:49 am
by Fahran » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:44 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:Not being colonised certainly helps.
by Risottia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:01 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:... it would be better to state that Augustus and his immediate successors absolutely intended their office to be a monarchy, but intentionally masked their power under residual - but increasingly powerless - republican institutions...
by Resilient Acceleration » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:27 am
Fahran wrote:Sanghyeok wrote:Not being colonised certainly helps.
Colonization seems to have facilitated the more widespread adoption of liberal and democratic ideas in many instances - at least in the long-term. Which isn't surprising given that the modern conceptions we have of both things emerged from Enlightenment philosophy. Heck, even Arab, Kurdish, and Turkish nationalism were arguably influenced by European romanticism. I actually read an interesting take on the subject concerning poetry and the development of Kurdish national awareness awhile back.
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by Nazis in Space » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:41 am
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:38 am
Fahran wrote:Sanghyeok wrote:Not being colonised certainly helps.
Colonization seems to have facilitated the more widespread adoption of liberal and democratic ideas in many instances - at least in the long-term. Which isn't surprising given that the modern conceptions we have of both things emerged from Enlightenment philosophy. Heck, even Arab, Kurdish, and Turkish nationalism were arguably influenced by European romanticism. I actually read an interesting take on the subject concerning poetry and the development of Kurdish national awareness awhile back.
by Arisyan » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:42 am
by Arisyan » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:44 am
Nazis in Space wrote:I feel like this kind of question should always have the follow-up of 'Are you volunteering to do the abolishing?'
Kings rarely resign of their own, free will. 'Abolishing' thus means 'Invade and topple the regime.'
Surely everyone who voted 'Yes' is thus ready to volunteer for the army and be first guy to jump into combat. Right?
... right?
by Punished UMN » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:22 pm
Arisyan wrote:(Image)
But seriously if absolute monarchism is condoned elsewhere why are the Gulf countries any different? Seriously no person has the right to be in absolute power of their country. And they are also extremely socially conservative and don't respect human rights in the slightest. So yes, please abolish them. And get rid of Bruneis while your at it.
by Adamede » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:23 pm
Arisyan wrote:(Image)
But seriously if absolute monarchism is condoned elsewhere why are the Gulf countries any different? Seriously no person has the right to be in absolute power of their country. And they are also extremely socially conservative and don't respect human rights in the slightest. So yes, please abolish them. And get rid of Bruneis while your at it.
by Fahran » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:02 pm
Arisyan wrote:But seriously if absolute monarchism is condoned elsewhere why are the Gulf countries any different?
Arisyan wrote:Seriously no person has the right to be in absolute power of their country.
Arisyan wrote:And they are also extremely socially conservative and don't respect human rights in the slightest.
Arisyan wrote:So yes, please abolish them. And get rid of Bruneis while your at it.
by Kowani » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:07 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Arisyan wrote:(Image)
But seriously if absolute monarchism is condoned elsewhere why are the Gulf countries any different? Seriously no person has the right to be in absolute power of their country. And they are also extremely socially conservative and don't respect human rights in the slightest. So yes, please abolish them. And get rid of Bruneis while your at it.
"No person has the right to be a monarch, but Westerners have the right to seize power in other countries."
Checks out.
by El-Sallia » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:30 pm
by Fahran » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:47 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:Depends on colonial policies, though. Some, like my own country, are luckier as they allow the creation of an educated academic elite during colonial times that will later direct post-independence institution-building. Others, who are less lucky, are forced to rely on revolutionary military leaders that quickly instated unstable despotic states funded by resource extraction.
by The Marlborough » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:26 pm
by Salus Maior » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:07 pm
by El-Sallia » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:10 pm
The Marlborough wrote:El-Sallia wrote:
The poster you quoted is referring to either 1932 (Westminster Conference) or 1982 (patriation). But I would consider an earlier date such as 1932 or 1867 the end of Canada's colony status.
I am quite aware to what they were alluding to but it is blatantly wrong and I'm really tired of it being used in regards to Canadian history. Canada ceased to be a colony in 1867. Dominions were not the same as colonies and were granted a considerable amount of leeway in domestic affairs and a number of them operated as de facto independent countries for the most part, Canada chief among them. While it's true that Canada didn't become a fully independent country until much later, it ceased to be a colony when it became a dominion.
by Insaanistan » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:59 am
Salus Maior wrote:Isn't that up to them?
Or are we playing "Please fuck up the Middle East more, Western powers"?
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