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Feyrisshire wrote:

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:How about Russian and Chinese imperialism? America is not the only imperialist nation.

This veers into whataboutism because I doubt that you are prepared to accept that America is imperialist.

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Heck, in 2014, Russia invaded Crimea!

Imperialism is not "one country goes to another to do things".

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Chinese and Russian f###ery is nearly guaranteed to be magnitudes worse than anything the US has ever done.

Feyrisshire wrote:

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Chinese and Russian f###ery is nearly guaranteed to be magnitudes worse than anything the US has ever done.

People in Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, and those Middle Eastern kids killed by US drone strikes tend to differ.

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:I just said that it wasn't the only imperialist nation. Not that it wasn't.

Feyrisshire wrote:

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Chinese and Russian f###ery is nearly guaranteed to be magnitudes worse than anything the US has ever done.

People in Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, and those Middle Eastern kids killed by drone strikes tend to differ.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:

Feyrisshire wrote:
Generally true.

But imperialism had a tendency to weaken when faced with inter-power competition - something that America is experiencing only now, and increased Russian and Chinese strength would be welcome as a bulwark against American imperialism and reduce its tendency to screw around the Third World.

Chinese and Russian f###ery is nearly guaranteed to be magnitudes worse than anything the US has ever done.

Feyrisshire wrote:

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:I just said that it wasn't the only imperialist nation. Not that it wasn't.

In all of history perhaps.

But today, America is the most prominent one.

Dangine wrote:

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Chinese and Russian f###ery is nearly guaranteed to be magnitudes worse than anything the US has ever done.

Last time I checked, Russia and China weren't the ones that fucked up in Iraq and lead to the rise of ISIS. Hmmmmm, I wonder who that was.

Romextly wrote:What did the US do in Venezuela?

Feyrisshire wrote:

Romextly wrote:What did the US do in Venezuela?

They made trade sanctions that made living standards poor for people. They refused to support the leader that they elected. The US sent men to assassinate their President.

This is a contrast to China and Russia, which isn't trying to screw Venezuela by another trade sanctions.

Romextly wrote:

Feyrisshire wrote:
They made trade sanctions that made living standards poor for people. They refused to support the leader that they elected. The US sent men to assassinate their President.

This is a contrast to China and Russia, which isn't trying to screw Venezuela by another trade sanctions.

So the US is the reason why Venezuala has failed?

Feyrisshire wrote:

Romextly wrote:What did the US do in Venezuela?

They made trade sanctions that made living standards poor for people. They refused to support the leader that they elected. The US sent men to assassinate their President.

This is a contrast to China and Russia, which isn't trying to screw Venezuela by another trade sanctions.

Super Cool Florida wrote:

Feyrisshire wrote:

They made trade sanctions that made living standards poor for people. They refused to support the leader that they elected. The US sent men to assassinate their President.

This is a contrast to China and Russia, which isn't trying to screw Venezuela by another trade sanctions.

The U.S did contribute but it wasn’t the main problem. Venezuela’s economy pre-crisis depended on oil. Loads of oil. And the Venezuelan oil industry was very corrupt. Corruption and oil is like oil and water; it doesn’t mix well.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:also feel the need to mention that they weren't the intended targets of those strikes.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:China is a greater threat to the world, period.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Obama. Don't blame the mistakes of one person on the whole nation geez

Super Cool Florida wrote:

Feyrisshire wrote:

They made trade sanctions that made living standards poor for people. They refused to support the leader that they elected. The US sent men to assassinate their President.

This is a contrast to China and Russia, which isn't trying to screw Venezuela by another trade sanctions.

The U.S did contribute but it wasn’t the main problem. Venezuela’s economy pre-crisis depended on oil. Loads of oil. And the Venezuelan oil industry was very corrupt. Corruption and oil is like oil and water; it doesn’t mix well.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:

Dangine wrote:Last time I checked, Russia and China weren't the ones that fucked up in Iraq and lead to the rise of ISIS. Hmmmmm, I wonder who that was.

Obama. Don't blame the mistakes of one person on the whole nation geez

Japan and Pacific States wrote:America's biggest threat is an internal one. Atleast, in my own opinion it is.

The Democrats. I have reasoning for this, this is no troll, no sort of gas lighting, it's just in my own opinion. Trump won the 2016 election. Throughout his tenure as president, the democrats with support from media such as CNN and all forged a campaign belittling his supporters with name calling, from acclaims to them being nothing more than "Russian bots" or outright, as Hilary Clinton put them. Deplorables. From there, they pursued an investigation which factually did not get the result they wanted, and merely wasted US taxpayer dollars with the claim this investigation would oust trump(Yes, I am referring to the "Russiagate" investigation). For the whole time of his tenure they acclaimed he won the election only due in part to election fraud and other means with interference, which they screamed endlessly about for the whole of the four years he was president.

Now with multiple mathematical anomalies being outright dismissed as "nonsense" and even those who claimed the 2016 election was meddled with or that there was election fraud at the time. They say "The 2020 election was the most secure election in the nation's history" or alternatively(ironically), that there was no possibility of election fraud or meddling. Ultimately they're outright gas lighting anyone who says otherwise while preaching "unity", only to people they turn to and essentially spit in the faces of for eluding to the possibility that the 2020 election may not have been as sound as they(the democrats) acclaim, and dare to ask for investigations to ensure it is secure. Now with Big tech joining in the mix with booting off what they claim to be nothing more than lunatics who refuse to accept the election or alternatively, conspiracy theorists of the same calibre.

It is only further deepening the divide between the two political camps in the United States. And from my perspective as an Brit looking inwards into the US, the democrats as well as blatantly aligned media and big tech are causing this. It's not an outside force the US at this moment needs to worry about, it is it's own political tribes, which I dare to say, tribes is at this moment the most accurate description of either side. There's been a couple attempts at reaching out from one side in good faith while the other has "tried" while acclaiming a couple politicians on the otherside are the equivalent of Joseph Goebbles.

In my own opinion, as the above has been and merely is. The "great experiment" that was the American Republic is coming to an end unless there is a radical change is both parties where they atleast make the attempt to be entirely cordial to one and another, if not then the experiment that was America will be guaranteed to come to a close, how it does, I have no clue. But I do know that the best example to draw on for comparison at this moment is Yugoslavia, after the death of Tito.

Even then it's quite easy to see. Neither side is seeking to reconcile with the other, and is only escalating quite... Unnerving talks against one another, this leads no where productive.

Feyrisshire wrote:You're also using double standards - apparently the last act of imperialism by US is Spanish-American War, yet Russia and China has no formal colonies today. Why would they be considered "imperialist" from your POV?

I have already stated a coherent POV earlier that inter-power conflict tends to weaken imperialism - meaning that if Russia and China are both imperialists - competition with the United States would weaken them all.

I would also argue that Russia and China's imperialist tendencies are still emergent - compared to the United States, which is fully developed.

Intaglio wrote:

Japan and Pacific States wrote:America's biggest threat is an internal one. Atleast, in my own opinion it is.

The Democrats. I have reasoning for this, this is no troll, no sort of gas lighting, it's just in my own opinion. Trump won the 2016 election. Throughout his tenure as president, the democrats with support from media such as CNN and all forged a campaign belittling his supporters with name calling, from acclaims to them being nothing more than "Russian bots" or outright, as Hilary Clinton put them. Deplorables. From there, they pursued an investigation which factually did not get the result they wanted, and merely wasted US taxpayer dollars with the claim this investigation would oust trump(Yes, I am referring to the "Russiagate" investigation). For the whole time of his tenure they acclaimed he won the election only due in part to election fraud and other means with interference, which they screamed endlessly about for the whole of the four years he was president.

Now with multiple mathematical anomalies being outright dismissed as "nonsense" and even those who claimed the 2016 election was meddled with or that there was election fraud at the time. They say "The 2020 election was the most secure election in the nation's history" or alternatively(ironically), that there was no possibility of election fraud or meddling. Ultimately they're outright gas lighting anyone who says otherwise while preaching "unity", only to people they turn to and essentially spit in the faces of for eluding to the possibility that the 2020 election may not have been as sound as they(the democrats) acclaim, and dare to ask for investigations to ensure it is secure. Now with Big tech joining in the mix with booting off what they claim to be nothing more than lunatics who refuse to accept the election or alternatively, conspiracy theorists of the same calibre.

It is only further deepening the divide between the two political camps in the United States. And from my perspective as an Brit looking inwards into the US, the democrats as well as blatantly aligned media and big tech are causing this. It's not an outside force the US at this moment needs to worry about, it is it's own political tribes, which I dare to say, tribes is at this moment the most accurate description of either side. There's been a couple attempts at reaching out from one side in good faith while the other has "tried" while acclaiming a couple politicians on the otherside are the equivalent of Joseph Goebbles.

In my own opinion, as the above has been and merely is. The "great experiment" that was the American Republic is coming to an end unless there is a radical change is both parties where they atleast make the attempt to be entirely cordial to one and another, if not then the experiment that was America will be guaranteed to come to a close, how it does, I have no clue. But I do know that the best example to draw on for comparison at this moment is Yugoslavia, after the death of Tito.

Even then it's quite easy to see. Neither side is seeking to reconcile with the other, and is only escalating quite... Unnerving talks against one another, this leads no where productive.

You act as if there isn't a conservative side of the media that was heavily aligned with Trump. And also, what anomalies are you talking about and where is your source of these alleged anomalies? And exactly what is it you want to be investigated and why should it be investigated?