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Which country is the biggest threat to America?

China
110
70%
Russia
16
10%
Israel
18
11%
Iran
5
3%
North Korea
4
3%
ISIS
4
3%
 
Total votes : 157

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Cordel One
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:57 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Cordel One wrote:My answer to the thread question is that progress is the biggest threat to America. We can only remain a backward superpower for so long until the world community undermines the power that's been terrorizing it. There's also the issue of our subpar domestic institutions, our expanding wealth gap, the growth of China and the European Union, the increasing political polarization around the planet, and of course the climate. These issues may seem unrelated, but they're all connected to progress.

How is progress a threat to America--how are we backward? Not saying there aren't a slew of problems, but why would improving things and working toward healing this horribly divided country be a threat?

Progress isn't a force for good or bad, it just is. The United States is backward in its nationalism, its institutions, and its policies.

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Postby Miku the Based » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:59 pm

It's america obviously. Why isn't there a option on that? why do we have to point blame on foreign countries?
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Postby Miku the Based » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:02 pm

TNO Iberian Union wrote:Israel has more votes than Russia, what?

Choose Israel because It's the only country that is most involved in American domestic policy through lobbying but that's a america problem for letting them do that.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:02 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:How is progress a threat to America--how are we backward? Not saying there aren't a slew of problems, but why would improving things and working toward healing this horribly divided country be a threat?

Progress isn't a force for good or bad, it just is. The United States is backward in its nationalism, its institutions, and its policies.

Miku the Based wrote:It's america obviously. Why isn't there a option on that? why do we have to point blame on foreign countries?

There must be change from both top-down and bottom-up for the United States to have a chance at redemption and allowing the "American Dream" to take place of the "American nightmare", but until then I completely agree: American people face the greatest threat from their ruling class and outdated, broken institutions.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:11 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:How is progress a threat to America--how are we backward? Not saying there aren't a slew of problems, but why would improving things and working toward healing this horribly divided country be a threat?

Progress isn't a force for good or bad, it just is. The United States is backward in its nationalism, its institutions, and its policies.

We're not backwards in everything. We have the Bill of Rights. And not every American patriot is a nationalist.
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:15 pm

china definitely, they're doing slave labor better than we ever did and it makes our economy line not go up as nicely
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:15 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Progress isn't a force for good or bad, it just is. The United States is backward in its nationalism, its institutions, and its policies.

We're not backwards in everything. We have the Bill of Rights. And not every American patriot is a nationalist.


Being the only developed nation to lack good healthcare seems rather backwards, as does systematic police brutality and income inequalities. The fact that so many Americans fail to recognise those is a product of the ruling class's influence, which is exactly why I warn Americans that their corporations are their greatest enemy.
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Postby Aequalitatis ac Libertatis » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:21 pm

The American government, easily. They've enslaved, robbed, lied to, and killed their people and destroyed the soul of the nation constantly for decades. Even if you don't believe in conspiracy theories, or that taxing the people is robbery, or that forcing them to work or go to war is slavery, they've still done so much.

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Wounded Knee
Operation Sea Spray

For the United States, the government is, and has been for so long, the greatest enemy. You'd have to be a fool to believe that they have any love for this nation or the people who live here. King George, Jefferson Davis, Adolf Hitler, they would be proud of what our government has become.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:23 pm

"Corporations do suck a lot sometimes."
-Me, a capitalist

"They need to stop savoring the microphallus of the CCP."

But free healthcare is not free--it is paid for through taxes. And there are, like, 330 million of us, not counting people with green cards, travelers, emissaries, people with visas, people here illegally, and--

What may be feasible for one nation is not feasible for another.
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Postby Cetacea » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:48 pm

BlackRock Inc is the biggest threat
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:49 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:"Corporations do suck a lot sometimes."
-Me, a capitalist

"They need to stop savoring the microphallus of the CCP."

But free healthcare is not free--it is paid for through taxes. And there are, like, 330 million of us, not counting people with green cards, travelers, emissaries, people with visas, people here illegally, and--

What may be feasible for one nation is not feasible for another.

"They need to stop savoring the microphallus of the CCP."
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:43 am

Super Cool Florida wrote:I've seen many opinions of many people here about who is the biggest threat to America. So..let's compress it into a poll, shall we? Poll options are the opinions of people I've seen/heard from either on the Internet or real life. You cannot choose America itself; although it is true, we're looking at other countries here.


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Postby Cedoria » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:51 am

America is the biggest threat to itself.
No country can keep building a military industrial complex of such scope without such complex eventually devouring the state that created it. You don't need your foreign enemies to destroy American hegemony, you'll do that for yourselves just fine.
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Postby NGRA » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:01 am

Americans specifically Democrat AND Republican Supporters

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

NGRA wrote:Americans specifically Democrat AND Republican Supporters


95-98% of American voters would find this comment quite offensive.
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Postby NGRA » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:11 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
NGRA wrote:Americans specifically Democrat AND Republican Supporters


95-98% of American voters would find this comment quite offensive.

doesn't mean I am wrong...

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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:20 am

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:56 am

NGRA wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
95-98% of American voters would find this comment quite offensive.

doesn't mean I am wrong...


I actually agree. I just found it both funny and sad.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:21 am

Rupert Murdoch.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:26 am

America.

Edit: Sorry, I meant 'MURICA.
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Postby Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:33 am

None of the above, America itself.
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Postby Page » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:15 am

The ruling class, because they will turn on the country as soon as it no longer serves their interests.
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Postby The Horror Channel » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:14 am

Israel. They cannot be trusted.

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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:22 am

Communist China.

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