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Which country is the biggest threat to America?

China
110
70%
Russia
16
10%
Israel
18
11%
Iran
5
3%
North Korea
4
3%
ISIS
4
3%
 
Total votes : 157

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Sanghyeok
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:24 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Qihein wrote:Israel is clearly the biggest threat.


Lol. That’s very antisemitic and irrational.


So when you claim China is bad, it's perfectly rational and not yellow peril, but anyone criticising Israel is suddenly antisemitic? At least be consistent with your definition of racism and human rights abuses.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:24 pm

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Freiheit Reich wrote:
The USA is not to blame for sanctions other countries impose on Venezuela. If other nations choose to follow US policy (which many countries often do), that is still the fault of other nations for choosing to impose such sanctions.


Because the US's decisions definitely don't impact other countries. All those countries simply followed on their own accord, rather than being forced to accept the US's decisions.


Exactly. The USA did not force them to impose such sanctions. If their leaders want to be lapdogs to the USA (Tony Blair is a perfect example) that is still their choice. Nations have sovereignty. If the USA threatens to invade them for trading with Venezuela (which is doubtful), the threatened nations can turn to the UN to solve the problem.

I will admit the USA can be a bully, but who can blame the USA when so many other nations cower and get down on their knees to please the USA?
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:25 pm

Itself.
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Postby Solarampa » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:26 pm

Extremism is the biggest to threat to the U.S. Case closed

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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:26 pm

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Feyrisshire wrote:
Generally true.

But imperialism had a tendency to weaken when faced with inter-power competition - something that America is experiencing only now, and increased Russian and Chinese strength would be welcome as a bulwark against American imperialism and reduce its tendency to screw around the Third World.

Chinese and Russian f###ery is nearly guaranteed to be magnitudes worse than anything the US has ever done.


I don't doubt they have the potential to become worse than the US (see my earlier comment on imperialism and late capitalism), but they will need to work hard to even match American actions.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:27 pm

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Apersitan wrote:Americans in general are to blame for all the shit in this country. If i had the money i'd move to france, rather than this fucking shithole.

Ah yes, France, where knives were nearly banned because knife violence went up after they banned guns. Yes, what a great place.


As opposed to America, where a third of the population is one paycheck from poverty and people use the internet to fundraise for surgery. Great place, indeed!
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:27 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Feyrisshire wrote:
People in Bolivia, Venezuela, Cuba, and those Middle Eastern kids killed by US drone strikes tend to differ.


Ah, but you mustn't forget the American drones spread democracy.


Well, don't worry because this will stop after a week. Biden will never do such despicable actions. He will be different because he is a democrat. Biden would never do any of the bad things that Trump did. He is supposed to be the anti-Trump and a gentleman that cares about human rights. We know that democrats are peaceful while republicans are the warmongers.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:28 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Obama. Don't blame the mistakes of one person on the whole nation geez


Perhaps I would agree if this way only one leader's actions. Yet from Truman to Trump, I would be hard pressed to find a single US President who hasn't committed enough war crimes to make me question if America even signed the Geneva Suggestions.


I wonder why you even care. The only stuff America or entities within it did that actually sucks are:

1. Antisemitic attacks and antisemitic behavior in general such as the Jewish quota.
2. Internment of Japanese, German and Italian Americans.
3. The bombs dropped in Japan.

(Nukes had mixed impact. If they were not dropped the war would have been prolonged and it was likely that more Japanese civilians would have perished than those who perished due to nukes. Moreover nukes ensured that a deadly US-Soviet war didn’t happen).
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Postby Christian Confederation » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:28 pm

1. Itself.
2. Communist China/North Korea
3. Iran.
Russia is not really a threat but would make a good allie.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:29 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
Ah, but you mustn't forget the American drones spread democracy.


Well, don't worry because this will stop after a week. Biden will never do such despicable actions. He will be different because he is a democrat. Biden would never do any of the bad things that Trump did. He is supposed to be the anti-Trump and a gentleman that cares about human rights. We know that democrats are peaceful while republicans are the warmongers.


No, Democrats will be different. Surely they will understand performative activism and diverse oppressors won't solve systematic problems, right?
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Postby Countesia » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:29 pm

like a big asteroid

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:30 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Qihein wrote:Israel is clearly the biggest threat.


Lol. That’s very antisemitic and irrational. One country as large as Massachusetts is the biggest threat to US. Does that make any sense?


If the USA imposes a Nazi government, then Israel will be the number one threat. Israel is not shy about doing covert operations against Nazis in foreign countries. Of course, since this has not happened 'yet', Israel is an ally and not a threat.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:30 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
Perhaps I would agree if this way only one leader's actions. Yet from Truman to Trump, I would be hard pressed to find a single US President who hasn't committed enough war crimes to make me question if America even signed the Geneva Suggestions.


I wonder why you even care. The only stuff America or entities within it did that actually sucks are:

1. Antisemitic attacks and antisemitic behavior in general such as the Jewish quota.
2. Internment of Japanese, German and Italian Americans.
3. The bombs dropped in Japan.

(Nukes had mixed impact. If they were not dropped the war would have been prolonged and it was likely that more Japanese civilians would have perished than those who perished due to nukes. Moreover nukes ensured that a deadly US-Soviet war didn’t happen).


Because I understand there are billions of people living in nearly 200 nations across the world who aren't American?
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:30 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Ah yes, France, where knives were nearly banned because knife violence went up after they banned guns. Yes, what a great place.


As opposed to America, where a third of the population is one paycheck from poverty and people use the internet to fundraise for surgery. Great place, indeed!


That’s really almost exclusively due to the racial conflict. We don’t observe anything similar in Anglo countries without serious white-black conflicts such as Australia, New Zealand and Canada where economic liberals and social democrats are the main forces.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:31 pm

Feyrisshire wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
But we must acknowledge that any large nation will become imperialist as a necessity with late capitalism. It's unfair for us to only blame America for this issue, even if American government decisions have led to much destruction.


Generally true.

But imperialism had a tendency to weaken when faced with inter-power competition - something that America is experiencing only now, and increased Russian and Chinese strength would be welcome as a bulwark against American imperialism and reduce its tendency to screw around the Third World.


We must also be careful, though, not to allow them to become strong enough as to screw over the Third World themselves. Imperialists are imperialists no matter what great power they belong to, since corporations all live in the nation of capitalism.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:32 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
I wonder why you even care. The only stuff America or entities within it did that actually sucks are:

1. Antisemitic attacks and antisemitic behavior in general such as the Jewish quota.
2. Internment of Japanese, German and Italian Americans.
3. The bombs dropped in Japan.

(Nukes had mixed impact. If they were not dropped the war would have been prolonged and it was likely that more Japanese civilians would have perished than those who perished due to nukes. Moreover nukes ensured that a deadly US-Soviet war didn’t happen).


Because I understand there are billions of people living in nearly 200 nations across the world who aren't American?


I also do. Hence I say that the Pacific War sucked. Imperial Japan should have never attacked Pearl Harbor which caused so much sorrows.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:33 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Qihein wrote:Israel is clearly the biggest threat.


Lol. That’s very antisemitic and irrational. One country as large as Massachusetts is the biggest threat to US. Does that make any sense?


That’s very antisemitic

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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:33 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
Because I understand there are billions of people living in nearly 200 nations across the world who aren't American?


I also do. Hence I say that the Pacific War sucked. Imperial Japan should have never attacked Pearl Harbor which caused so much sorrows.


Japan should never have colonised Joseon and Manchuria in the first place, despite what the LDP claims.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:33 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Obama. Don't blame the mistakes of one person on the whole nation geez


Perhaps I would agree if this way only one leader's actions. Yet from Truman to Trump, I would be hard pressed to find a single US President who hasn't committed enough war crimes to make me question if America even signed the Geneva Suggestions.


Americans are optimistic at heart and think that this time it will be different. Democrats screwed up so they choose republicans. Republicans screwed up so they choose democrats again and the cycle keeps repeating itself. However, this time will be different. Biden will be a gentle man of peace that will respect other nations' sovereignty and treat other nations fairly. If he fails to do this. We better choose a republican in 2024 because he will be different.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:34 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
I also do. Hence I say that the Pacific War sucked. Imperial Japan should have never attacked Pearl Harbor which caused so much sorrows.


Japan should never have colonised Joseon and Manchuria in the first place, despite what the LDP claims.


I strongly disagree. If you are East Asian of any kind you should be thankful to Japan. I do. Do you think Korea was likely to remain independent if Japan didn’t step in? The alternative to Japanese rule is Russian rule and see how genocidal Russia was and is.. It is the Japanese Empire that kept Russia out and ensured that at least Koreans and Manchurians were not genocided.

How Buryat is Buryatia? How Kalmyk is Kalmykia? Do you really want Russian rule instead of Japanese rule?
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:34 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Feyrisshire wrote:
Generally true.

But imperialism had a tendency to weaken when faced with inter-power competition - something that America is experiencing only now, and increased Russian and Chinese strength would be welcome as a bulwark against American imperialism and reduce its tendency to screw around the Third World.


We must also be careful, though, not to allow them to become strong enough as to screw over the Third World themselves. Imperialists are imperialists no matter what great power they belong to, since corporations all live in the nation of capitalism.

So the whole world?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:36 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Well, don't worry because this will stop after a week. Biden will never do such despicable actions. He will be different because he is a democrat. Biden would never do any of the bad things that Trump did. He is supposed to be the anti-Trump and a gentleman that cares about human rights. We know that democrats are peaceful while republicans are the warmongers.


No, Democrats will be different. Surely they will understand performative activism and diverse oppressors won't solve systematic problems, right?


It will be interesting. Of course many democrats and republicans supported the Iraq War so who should Americans choose if they are anti-war? Only two parties exist if you believe the media and watch presidential debates.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:37 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
Japan should never have colonised Joseon and Manchuria in the first place, despite what the LDP claims.


I strongly disagree. If you are East Asian of any kind you should be thankful to Japan. I do. Do you think Korea was likely to remain independent if Japan didn’t step in? The alternative to Japanese rule is Russian rule and see how genocidal Russia was and is..


You must have been reading some rather questionable texts if you genuinely believe the Co-Prosperity Sphere was actually harmonious, cooperative, and for benefit of those colonised nations.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:37 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
No, Democrats will be different. Surely they will understand performative activism and diverse oppressors won't solve systematic problems, right?


It will be interesting. Of course many democrats and republicans supported the Iraq War so who should Americans choose if they are anti-war? Only two parties exist if you believe the media and watch presidential debates.


The non-neoliberal/neo-conservative ones, who are oddly enough nowhere to be found.
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