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Ailurocracy Thread I: Shall some national leaders be feline?

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Do you support non-human political leadership?

Yes
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No
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Neutral
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Atheris
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm

Garbelia wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
"Attention all patriots! King bagpuss needs your help. All you need to do is give him your credit card details."

First of all, don't you mean CATriots? (Sorry, I had to) And then, just ban money. Yes, this can't degrade into yet another left-right debate, but if you get rid of commercial emails, maybe putting a speed and content filter, then that would be massively reduced, and then, living in a perfect world now, just have the technology to replace credit cards with advanced facial recognition programs, and that sort of scam can't happen. The cat's 'handlers' would have to be elected, if the cat was Prime Minister, President or other elected position.

CATriots doesn't have the same pronunciation as patriot. I prefer purrtriot or pawtriot.
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Nekostan-e Gharbi
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:50 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Why do you think I want to get rid of cult of personality? A hot cat is not going to use their popularity to harm anyone.


But their handlers will. They can exploit the cat's fans for their own gains. There will be a full media team who will use this cat personality as a business at the expense of the people.
"Buy this new plush or you're not patriotic," "Cat leader wants you to donate X monies so you can see him play" etc.


That’s a real concern. We can enforce a rule that the cat leader completely can not accept donations.
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Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
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Atheris
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:02 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
But their handlers will. They can exploit the cat's fans for their own gains. There will be a full media team who will use this cat personality as a business at the expense of the people.
"Buy this new plush or you're not patriotic," "Cat leader wants you to donate X monies so you can see him play" etc.


That’s a real concern. We can enforce a rule that the cat leader completely can not accept donations.

Then their "cabinet" will. It's a breeding house for corruption.

Corruption backwards has purr in it, you know. noitpurroc.
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Postby Blue Nagia » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:07 pm

I humbly suggest that lacertocracy, or the rule of lizards, is superior to ailurocracy, but frankly, anything is better than those fleshlings, so I'll take it.
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Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire
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Postby Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:07 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
But their handlers will. They can exploit the cat's fans for their own gains. There will be a full media team who will use this cat personality as a business at the expense of the people.
"Buy this new plush or you're not patriotic," "Cat leader wants you to donate X monies so you can see him play" etc.


That’s a real concern. We can enforce a rule that the cat leader completely can not accept donations.

Then the owner or cabinet will try to get the donations.

Besides, who doesn't like seeing a little kitty cat play in a box of money :D
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:08 pm

Blue Nagia wrote:I humbly suggest that lacertocracy, or the rule of lizards, is superior to ailurocracy, but frankly, anything is better than those fleshlings, so I'll take it.

That's already a thing! (/joking, if it wasn't obvious)
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Postby SACHI OS » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:29 pm

Technically speaking, an AI would be at least somewhat competent and is not human. Perhaps more so in the future than the present. Still, human exclusivity bars more than just animals from politics.

However, we probably shouldn't elect cats...

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Postby Diarcesia » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:17 pm

Interesting

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Postby El-Sallia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:54 pm

Blue Nagia wrote:I humbly suggest that lacertocracy, or the rule of lizards, is superior to ailurocracy, but frankly, anything is better than those fleshlings, so I'll take it.


>anything is better than those fleshlings
Have you had any bad experiences with a "fleshling"? And besides, don't cats and lizards have flesh?
If yes, doesn't that mean that an AI would make a better leader, since flesh-bearing species are all as you say bad?
I nominate Sachi to take over in that case. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:02 pm

Blue Nagia wrote:I humbly suggest that lacertocracy, or the rule of lizards, is superior to ailurocracy, but frankly, anything is better than those fleshlings, so I'll take it.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:26 pm

Ailurocracy is beneficial in dysfunctional societies.
Welcome to the Nekostan-e Gharbi. Our ancestors were a group of genetically enhanced Israeli cats raised by two Iranian Jewish women, Rachel Davidi and Esther Moshel. We are a constitutional monarchy where a line of benevolent and powerless feline queens “guide” the citizens or more precisely are the subject of their constant gossiping.

Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
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Abolish China and save lives.
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Postby Duvniask » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:28 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Ailurocracy is beneficial in dysfunctional societies.

Or a batshit insane idea thought up with absolutely no thought put into it, whatsoever.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:31 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Ailurocracy is beneficial in dysfunctional societies.

Or a batshit insane idea thought up with absolutely no thought put into it, whatsoever.


Not really. Mao Zedong < Meow Zedong. Adolf Hitler < Adolf Kitler. Joseph Stalin < Meowseph Stalin. Hence we already have three use cases of ailurocracy.
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Welcome to the Nekostan-e Gharbi. Our ancestors were a group of genetically enhanced Israeli cats raised by two Iranian Jewish women, Rachel Davidi and Esther Moshel. We are a constitutional monarchy where a line of benevolent and powerless feline queens “guide” the citizens or more precisely are the subject of their constant gossiping.

Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
Abolish China and save lives.
What is Sinostatism?
Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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Postby Duvniask » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:31 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Or a batshit insane idea thought up with absolutely no thought put into it, whatsoever.


Not really. Mao Zedong < Meow Zedong. Adolf Hitler < Adolf Kitler. Joseph Stalin < Meowseph Stalin.

Yes, I can tell you're totally not a troll.

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Postby Chan Island » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:32 pm

Britain's already doing that. We have a cat called Larry who's got the job as Chief Mouser. :D
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:37 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Duvniask wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Ailurocracy is beneficial in dysfunctional societies.

Or a batshit insane idea thought up with absolutely no thought put into it, whatsoever.


Not really. Mao Zedong < Meow Zedong. Adolf Hitler < Adolf Kitler. Joseph Stalin < Meowseph Stalin. Hence we already have three use cases of ailurocracy.

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:(Image)

OBEY THE KITTY!


Yes.
If Chairman Mao were Chairman Meow a lot less people would have perished.
If Joseph Stalin were Meowseph Stalin a lot less people would have perished.
If Adolf Hitler were Adolf Kitler a lot less people would have perished.

Cats rule; dictators suck!

So by this metric, "a dysfunctional society" and "a murderous dictatorship" are completely indistinguishable terms? With an initial claim like that, I would have expected an explanation - however pithy - of how cats can help with the leadership of societies that can hardly be ruled at all, not a two-week-old meme about societies with iron-fisted dictators.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:58 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Not really. Mao Zedong < Meow Zedong. Adolf Hitler < Adolf Kitler. Joseph Stalin < Meowseph Stalin.

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Postby Kionian » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:27 pm

Ailurocracy is only efficient in societies where everyone is a cat.
A person.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:36 pm

Kionian wrote:Ailurocracy is only efficient in societies where everyone is a cat.


I disagree. Ailurocracy is pretty handy for humans as well as placebo.
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Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
Abolish China and save lives.
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Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:16 pm

What a truly terrible idea. Why would cats running countries be a thing.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:19 pm

Chan Island wrote:Britain's already doing that. We have a cat called Larry who's got the job as Chief Mouser. :D

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:21 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:What a truly terrible idea. Why would cats running countries be a thing.

To stop Mao.
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Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
Abolish China and save lives.
What is Sinostatism?
Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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Postby Istoreya » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:57 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:What a truly terrible idea. Why would cats running countries be a thing.

To stop Mao.

And once again, it's about China.

Cats are not sentient creatures. Placing a non-sentient creature in a position of power is the equivalent of either
A) anarchy or
B) a dictatorship in the form of a cat's owner pretending the cat's actually in charge.

Neither seem like good options.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:59 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:What a truly terrible idea. Why would cats running countries be a thing.


Because sheep need a break once in a while.
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Postby Atheris » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:06 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Chan Island wrote:Britain's already doing that. We have a cat called Larry who's got the job as Chief Mouser. :D

(Image)

What a good boy.
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