American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Cedoria]

Mike Pence has bent over backwards for whatever Donald Trump has asked him to do right up until Trump decided to launch a literal coup d'etat, so please cease your lecturing about his "principles."

Not agreeing to a coup is principled. Granted that's a very low bar, but unfortunately it's not nothing these days.

He couldn't 'agree' to it when he himself was one of those being targeted by it could he?

[The Emerald Legion]

May have been a bad choice of wording, but the people outraged over this are by and large the same type cheering on CHAZ

What people? Who are you talking about? As far as I can tell you're just pulling shit out of your ass and desperately trying to smear anyone within reach, regardless of their actual publicly professed beliefs, to avoid coming to the awful realization that you have been hoodwinked by a fascist movement made up of putschists, grifters, and criminals of every sort that literally attempted to drown American democracy in the bathtub yesterday.

That... didn't happen though. The idea that it did is a delusion of such grand proportions I'd put it on par with flat-earthers or anti-vaccers.

A bunch of rowdy assholes broke into the capital, ran around acting like gorilla's for a few hours, then were driven off. The extent of the damage is significantly less than any of the major BLM protests recently save for in the minds of a bunch of people who've been primed by propaganda to think we're on the edge of fascist uprising. Ironically, the truth is more likely that this was the DNC's reichstag fire. The thing they're going to try and take advantage of to take power.

[Kowani]

The dead Capitol Police Officer was apparently hit in the head with a fire extinguisher

A Capitol Police Office....who may or may not have been told to go easy(I won't say definitely so without proof), and he still got bludgeoned to death by one of these traitors...

Correction: The officer has not yet died, he's still on life support

Mitch McConnell says he has requested and received the immediate resignation of the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms.

Why exactly?

[Bombadil]

Why exactly?

It was a complete and utter failure of security.

Who exactly made the decision to stand down the National Guard and quick response people - I don't feel it was him, as I remember it was all due to 'optics' that having a serious force around the Capitol during certification would look bad for America.. but I don't know who exactly blocked extra support.

Anyhoo, mostly it's hardly the person I'd be calling to resign right now.

[Senkaku]

There is no fucking comparison between the two. It is a false equivalency. CHAZ was a local political PR move by the Durkan administration and SPD to create a zone of state absence and discredit protesters they were being pressured by, and which some people then LARPed around in for a bit; the violence on Capitol Hill was an attempted coup d'etat orchestrated by our head of state with the collaboration of multiple security organs, for the purpose of consolidating his grip on power in defiance of democracy and the Constitution.

There will almost certainly be an investigation into this and it’s bad to jump to conclusions before all the evidence is out, lest risk making your judgement seem bad

We already know DoD was in on it, per the memos on the 4th and 5th re: the DC National Guard. DoD alone comprises multiple smaller security organs, and there's compelling reasons to believe there was some level of complicity among the Capitol Police. I'm not jumping to conclusions, I am reviewing established facts.

[Cedoria]

It was a complete and utter failure of security.

Who exactly made the decision to stand down the National Guard and quick response people - I don't feel it was him, as I remember it was all due to 'optics' that having a serious force around the Capitol during certification would look bad for America.. but I don't know who exactly blocked extra support.

Anyhoo, mostly it's hardly the person I'd be calling to resign right now.

Because it clearly looks so much better now.

[Senkaku]

It was a complete and utter failure of security.

Who exactly made the decision to stand down the National Guard and quick response people - I don't feel it was him, as I remember it was all due to 'optics' that having a serious force around the Capitol during certification would look bad for America.. but I don't know who exactly blocked extra support.

That appears to have been the Trump-appointed Acting Secretary of Defense.

Anyhoo, mostly it's hardly the person I'd be calling to resign right now.

Really? So if you had hired people to run security for your house, and it was stormed by an angry mob anyways, you'd just let them keep their jobs?

[Senkaku]

Who exactly made the decision to stand down the National Guard and quick response people - I don't feel it was him, as I remember it was all due to 'optics' that having a serious force around the Capitol during certification would look bad for America.. but I don't know who exactly blocked extra support.

Anyhoo, mostly it's hardly the person I'd be calling to resign right now.

Because it clearly looks so much better now.

They also sabotaged the rapid reaction force outside the city AND interfered with requests to bring in troops from that force and from nearby bases and states, though. It wasn't just "hmmm the optics of troops literally on the Capitol during this would be bad."

[Cedoria]

Who exactly made the decision to stand down the National Guard and quick response people - I don't feel it was him, as I remember it was all due to 'optics' that having a serious force around the Capitol during certification would look bad for America.. but I don't know who exactly blocked extra support.

That appears to have been the Trump-appointed Acting Secretary of Defense.

Anyhoo, mostly it's hardly the person I'd be calling to resign right now.

Really? So if you had hired people to run security for your house, and it was stormed by an angry mob anyways, you'd just let them keep their jobs?

Probably not, but I'd be focusing on arresting the ones who sent the mob first. Get the big fish before you sweep the little ones into the net, otherwise the big ones swim away.

[Cedoria]

Because it clearly looks so much better now.

They also sabotaged the rapid reaction force outside the city AND interfered with requests to bring in troops from that force and from nearby bases and states, though. It wasn't just "hmmm the optics of troops literally on the Capitol during this would be bad."

Yep, it was planned.
Anybody still on the 'not a coup attempt' train at this point?

[Cultural Posadism]

Ironically, the truth is more likely that this was the DNC's reichstag fire. The thing they're going to try and take advantage of to take power.

Now say this again with the clown nose on.

[Bombadil]

Who exactly made the decision to stand down the National Guard and quick response people - I don't feel it was him, as I remember it was all due to 'optics' that having a serious force around the Capitol during certification would look bad for America.. but I don't know who exactly blocked extra support.

That appears to have been the Trump-appointed Acting Secretary of Defense.

Anyhoo, mostly it's hardly the person I'd be calling to resign right now.

Really? So if you had hired people to run security for your house, and it was stormed by an angry mob anyways, you'd just let them keep their jobs?

Not if their hands had been tied by other people, and frankly I'd be focused on finding and arresting the perpetrators and the instigators. Like I'm not vehemently against this, just feel McConnell could be doing other things.

[Kowani]

[Senkaku]

What people? Who are you talking about? As far as I can tell you're just pulling shit out of your ass and desperately trying to smear anyone within reach, regardless of their actual publicly professed beliefs, to avoid coming to the awful realization that you have been hoodwinked by a fascist movement made up of putschists, grifters, and criminals of every sort that literally attempted to drown American democracy in the bathtub yesterday.

That... didn't happen though. The idea that it did is a delusion of such grand proportions I'd put it on par with flat-earthers or anti-vaccers.

A bunch of rowdy assholes broke into the capital, ran around acting like gorilla's for a few hours, then were driven off. The extent of the damage is significantly less than any of the major BLM protests recently save for in the minds of a bunch of people who've been primed by propaganda to think we're on the edge of fascist uprising. Ironically, the truth is more likely that this was the DNC's reichstag fire. The thing they're going to try and take advantage of to take power.

The president and/or his appointees sabotage the National Guard days in advance, the Capitol Police are mystifyingly unprepared (to the point that foreign security officials wonder if it was intentional), a violent mob incited by the president forces its way into the seat of the American government, bludgeoning and shooting people, and senior officials slow-walk the deployment of reinforcements... and your takeaway is either "it's really no big deal lol calm down libs" or "THIS IS THE DNC'S REICHSTAG FIRE AND THE SOCIALISTS ARE ABOUT TO TAKE OVER!!!1"... alrighty then.

[Cedoria]

That appears to have been the Trump-appointed Acting Secretary of Defense.


Really? So if you had hired people to run security for your house, and it was stormed by an angry mob anyways, you'd just let them keep their jobs?

Not if their hands had been tied by other people, and frankly I'd be focused on finding and arresting the perpetrators and the instigators. Like I'm not vehemently against this, just feel McConnell could be doing other things.

My bet is he’s throwing a few non-entities under the bus to let the instigators walk.

[Thermodolia]

NEW TOPIC; So, regarding Trump and the pending possible impeachment, after the last few months (and definitely after yesterday) do you lot think they have him this time? Honestly this time I think he's down for the count. Down and out.

Of course not. The House may impeach him, but the Senate will acquit just as they did last time. The GOP is still terrified of/deeply reliant on his base and frightened of doing anything to alienate them, and I suspect yesterday's events only strengthened that fear rather than diminishing it. No Republican senator wants to have to take that vote, and even if the House votes to impeach again, the fact we're talking about mere days till the inauguration means that it'll be very easy for McConnell to stall and run out the clock on forcing any of them to make that choice.

Dude the GOP has turned on Trump. They don’t fear him anymore

[Cedoria]

Of course not. The House may impeach him, but the Senate will acquit just as they did last time. The GOP is still terrified of/deeply reliant on his base and frightened of doing anything to alienate them, and I suspect yesterday's events only strengthened that fear rather than diminishing it. No Republican senator wants to have to take that vote, and even if the House votes to impeach again, the fact we're talking about mere days till the inauguration means that it'll be very easy for McConnell to stall and run out the clock on forcing any of them to make that choice.

Dude the GOP has turned on Trump. They don’t fear him anymore

We’ll see.

[Valrifell]

Of course not. The House may impeach him, but the Senate will acquit just as they did last time. The GOP is still terrified of/deeply reliant on his base and frightened of doing anything to alienate them, and I suspect yesterday's events only strengthened that fear rather than diminishing it. No Republican senator wants to have to take that vote, and even if the House votes to impeach again, the fact we're talking about mere days till the inauguration means that it'll be very easy for McConnell to stall and run out the clock on forcing any of them to make that choice.

Dude the GOP has turned on Trump. They don’t fear him anymore

I'll believe it when Trump is convicted in the Senate 66-33

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

What people? Who are you talking about? As far as I can tell you're just pulling shit out of your ass and desperately trying to smear anyone within reach, regardless of their actual publicly professed beliefs, to avoid coming to the awful realization that you have been hoodwinked by a fascist movement made up of putschists, grifters, and criminals of every sort that literally attempted to drown American democracy in the bathtub yesterday.

That... didn't happen though. The idea that it did is a delusion of such grand proportions I'd put it on par with flat-earthers or anti-vaccers.

A bunch of rowdy assholes broke into the capital, ran around acting like gorilla's for a few hours, then were driven off. The extent of the damage is significantly less than any of the major BLM protests recently save for in the minds of a bunch of people who've been primed by propaganda to think we're on the edge of fascist uprising. Ironically, the truth is more likely that this was the DNC's reichstag fire. The thing they're going to try and take advantage of to take power.

What are you talking about? Terrorists attacked the US capital trying to overturn a legal and fair election.

This is what the Trumpests allways wanted. This riot is the fruit of years of bullshit from right wing echo chambers.

Trump and everyone of those terrorists need to be brought to justice.

[Galloism]

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Wow.

11 weeks of sick leave?

[Cultural Posadism]

That... didn't happen though. The idea that it did is a delusion of such grand proportions I'd put it on par with flat-earthers or anti-vaccers.

A bunch of rowdy assholes broke into the capital, ran around acting like gorilla's for a few hours, then were driven off. The extent of the damage is significantly less than any of the major BLM protests recently save for in the minds of a bunch of people who've been primed by propaganda to think we're on the edge of fascist uprising. Ironically, the truth is more likely that this was the DNC's reichstag fire. The thing they're going to try and take advantage of to take power.

The president and/or his appointees sabotage the National Guard days in advance, the Capitol Police are mystifyingly unprepared (to the point that foreign security officials wonder if it was intentional), a violent mob incited by the president forces its way into the seat of the American government, bludgeoning and shooting people, and senior officials slow-walk the deployment of reinforcements... and your takeaway is either "it's really no big deal lol calm down libs" or "THIS IS THE DNC'S REICHSTAG FIRE AND THE SOCIALISTS ARE ABOUT TO TAKE OVER!!!1"... alrighty then.

I hereby award The Emerald Legion the Greater Miami Shores Award for Most Embarrassing Self-Delusion in the Service of a Narcissistic Con Artist.

[Senkaku]

They also sabotaged the rapid reaction force outside the city AND interfered with requests to bring in troops from that force and from nearby bases and states, though. It wasn't just "hmmm the optics of troops literally on the Capitol during this would be bad."

Yep, it was planned.
Anybody still on the 'not a coup attempt' train at this point?

Lots of people, it seems. Especially those who have a deep financial, political, or emotional need for it to really not be a coup attempt.

That appears to have been the Trump-appointed Acting Secretary of Defense.


Really? So if you had hired people to run security for your house, and it was stormed by an angry mob anyways, you'd just let them keep their jobs?

Not if their hands had been tied by other people, and frankly I'd be focused on finding and arresting the perpetrators and the instigators. Like I'm not vehemently against this, just feel McConnell could be doing other things.

Why are you so quick to assume that one of the people in charge of Capitol security couldn't have been a perpetrator? They seem like the exact people coup plotters would want to subvert. They should be fired and arrested immediately.

Not if their hands had been tied by other people, and frankly I'd be focused on finding and arresting the perpetrators and the instigators. Like I'm not vehemently against this, just feel McConnell could be doing other things.

My bet is he’s throwing a few non-entities under the bus to let the instigators walk.

I doubt he even knows who the instigators are at this point. Hopefully DOJ and DHS can be mobilized to do a proper investigation, but frankly given the degree of subversion our security forces seem to be suffering from I'm skeptical that they can conduct such an effort effectively.

[Farnhamia]

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Wow.

11 weeks of sick leave?

Wow, indeed. I knew people years ago who never took time off when they were sick and had months and months of it accumulated at the end of their so-called careers.

[Senkaku]

Of course not. The House may impeach him, but the Senate will acquit just as they did last time. The GOP is still terrified of/deeply reliant on his base and frightened of doing anything to alienate them, and I suspect yesterday's events only strengthened that fear rather than diminishing it. No Republican senator wants to have to take that vote, and even if the House votes to impeach again, the fact we're talking about mere days till the inauguration means that it'll be very easy for McConnell to stall and run out the clock on forcing any of them to make that choice.

Dude the GOP has turned on Trump. They don’t fear him anymore

I'm not seeing it. When Cruz, McDaniel, and Hawley flip on him, I'll be convinced.

[Cedoria]

Yep, it was planned.
Anybody still on the 'not a coup attempt' train at this point?

Lots of people, it seems. Especially those who have a deep financial, political, or emotional need for it to really not be a coup attempt.

Not if their hands had been tied by other people, and frankly I'd be focused on finding and arresting the perpetrators and the instigators. Like I'm not vehemently against this, just feel McConnell could be doing other things.

Why are you so quick to assume that one of the people in charge of Capitol security couldn't have been a perpetrator? They seem like the exact people coup plotters would want to subvert. They should be fired and arrested immediately.

My bet is he’s throwing a few non-entities under the bus to let the instigators walk.

I doubt he even knows who the instigators are at this point. Hopefully DOJ and DHS can be mobilized to do a proper investigation, but frankly given the degree of subversion our security forces seem to be suffering from I'm skeptical that they can conduct such an effort effectively.

He does know who a couple of them are. One sits in the White House and the other is his personal lawyer. A few of them are sitting in the Senate with him. He could start with those.