NationStates

Some of those ten came out of nowhere. I suspect something weighed strongly on their conscience to the point where they finally, finally did what they thought was right. Dan Newhouse (R-WA), for instance, issues a mea culpa for facilitating Trump for four years and for enabling him, and encouraged other Republicans to follow suit.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
pls no

Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

Fucking lmao do you actually believe this bullshit?

Major-Tom wrote:Some of those ten came out of nowhere. I suspect something weighed strongly on their conscience to the point where they finally, finally did what they thought was right. Dan Newhouse (R-WA), for instance, issues a mea culpa for facilitating Trump for four years and for enabling him, and encouraged other Republicans to follow suit.

A day late and a dollar short, but it is pretty wild that there's still so few of them, even when so little is being asked.

Senkaku wrote:

Kexholm Karelia wrote:PBS lawyer suggested sending children of Trump voters to 'reeducation camps' where 'they watch PBS all day'

Call me when someone actually does it. As WRA said, this is a nothingburger. In fact, it's the fucking same old playbook-- screaming "the left is going to try to rig the election! the left is going to launch a coup!" or whatever the fuck it is that the American left manifestly is not doing, and then using that to mobilize conservatives to actually do those things in response. You are part of this country's disinformation problem by credulously spreading horse shit like this.

KK is obsessed with the idea that a purge of all Trump supporters is coming any day now.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
pls no

Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

Don’t you mean “I’ve got mine. Screw you all!”

Libertarians have been trying to be main stream for oh shoot.....since I was at uni. They haven’t achieved much in all that time.

It’s almost like it’s some kind of hipster thing so they can say they aren’t republicans.

In addition, many on the Hill have said that there are dozens of Republicans who would consider impeachment were it not for the imminent threat or bind that would place their family in. It is immensely regrettable that otherwise decent people are so scared of their own constituents, their own voting bloc, and entire portion of their districts that they ultimately cannot make the choice they would like out of sheer fear.

Senkaku wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:Some of those ten came out of nowhere. I suspect something weighed strongly on their conscience to the point where they finally, finally did what they thought was right. Dan Newhouse (R-WA), for instance, issues a mea culpa for facilitating Trump for four years and for enabling him, and encouraged other Republicans to follow suit.

A day late and a dollar short, but it is pretty wild that there's still so few of them, even when so little is being asked.

Agreed, though see above. A lot of these rank and file Republicans are fucking scared.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

Fucking lmao do you actually believe this bullshit?

Hey, do you believe your bullshit?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Kexholm Karelia wrote:PBS lawyer suggested sending children of Trump voters to 'reeducation camps' where 'they watch PBS all day'

It was some mid level nobody who has already been fired from the sounds of it. What a nothingburger.

This isn't the first time someone has suggested persecuting Trump supporters. While most people do not believe in doing this, let's not pretend there aren't some vengeful people out there who wouldn't want to.

And let's not pretend that the trump supporters will be more reasonable after hearing this.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

Fucking lmao do you actually believe this bullshit?

Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
pls no

Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

I didn't know leaving people to die was considered to be treating them like adults. Or are you treating them like adults in Somalia?

Major-Tom wrote:In addition, many on the Hill have said that there are dozens of Republicans who would consider impeachment were it not for the imminent threat or bind that would place their family in. It is immensely regrettable that otherwise decent people are so scared of their own constituents, their own voting bloc, and entire portion of their districts that they ultimately cannot make the choice they would like out of sheer fear.

What ever happened to the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" line?

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Fucking lmao do you actually believe this bullshit?

Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.

Yeah it's common to poke fun at that case but her claims make a lot more sense when you actually dig into it. It was heated to way beyond safe levels.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Fucking lmao do you actually believe this bullshit?

Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.

Now now let’s not distract people with facts.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Seconded.

Many Libertarians are very similar to Republicans. In fact, I think many probably support Trump, with a few exceptions.

Libertarianism has a bit of a schism on Trump. I've been following the folks at Reason.com; the various contributors and editors-at-large of the publication appear extremely critical of Trump, especially as concerns nonsensical claims as to election fraud. There is, however, little love for "the other side." On the other hand, contributors to their comments sections seem very much of an opposite opinion on Trump, even if they share the little love for "the other side."

To be fair, even when I followed Libertarianism in earnest, it was mostly the Reason crowd and a selection of intellectual/university types, and that was a while ago, so my info might be out of date.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Fucking lmao do you actually believe this bullshit?

Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.

If a judge rewards a settlement then there's typically more to the story than "omg stupid consumer lmaooo", especially considering the quality of lawyers that corporate money can get.

Usually the consumer isn't the one at fault.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

Don’t you mean “I’ve got mine. Screw you all!”

Libertarians have been trying to be main stream for oh shoot.....since I was at uni. They haven’t achieved much in all that time.

It’s almost like it’s some kind of hipster thing so they can say they aren’t republicans.

...quietly stuffing my Green Party registration in my pocket and whistling...

Omniabstracta wrote:

Corrian wrote:I think this entire event has thrown the 2022 elections into chaos. I wonder how many just flipped districts that didn't vote to impeach Trump could flip back after this.

Personally, I’ve decided to give up making any political predictions for the next two years because nothing makes sense anymore.

And that is fair.

Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles wrote:

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Many Libertarians are very similar to Republicans. In fact, I think many probably support Trump, with a few exceptions.

Libertarianism has a bit of a schism on Trump. I've been following the folks at Reason.com; the various contributors and editors-at-large of the publication appear extremely critical of Trump, especially as concerns claims nonsensical claims as to election fraud. On the other hand, contributors to their comments sections seem very much of an opposite opinion.

To be fair, even when I followed Libertarianism in earnest, it was mostly the Reason crowd and a selection of intellectual/university types, and that was a while ago, so my info might be out of date.

I wasn't aware there were any libertarian Trumpers, with all the "Law and Order" pro-police state talk they've been dishing out until a week ago.

Rusozak wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:In addition, many on the Hill have said that there are dozens of Republicans who would consider impeachment were it not for the imminent threat or bind that would place their family in. It is immensely regrettable that otherwise decent people are so scared of their own constituents, their own voting bloc, and entire portion of their districts that they ultimately cannot make the choice they would like out of sheer fear.

What ever happened to the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" line?

Capitulation ain't negotiation.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
pls no

Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

I used to be a libertarian. But, in practice, the otherwise seemingly reasonably idea that "humans who practice their own self-interest and own lives ultimately benefits everyone" is proven time and time again to not be true.

Civil libertarianism is one thing. And in many respects, I agree with the examples you pose. But those are small, civil-oriented examples. Economic libertarianism tangibly hurts people, which in turn, has damaged and divided our country. There is a reason that we not only have a regulatory state, but a welfare state and a state that cares about the economic interests of people.

Because when people are squeezed of their income, when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, the end result looks a lot like this. The ultimate unraveling of the US as "empire."

The Black Forrest wrote:

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

Don’t you mean “I’ve got mine. Screw you all!”

Libertarians have been trying to be main stream for oh shoot.....since I was at uni. They haven’t achieved much in all that time.

It’s almost like it’s some kind of hipster thing so they can say they aren’t republicans.

Many American libertarians seem like “conservatives who like weed,” who abandon their scruples and vote for any old Republican who comes along. There are a few principled libertarians who I at least respect, even if I strongly disagree with them, but they’re few and far between.

Kowani wrote:Judge finds Lin Wood "Not of 'Sufficient Character' to Practice Law"

Lawyers are supposed to be of good character? Huh.

Valrifell wrote:

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.

If a judge rewards a settlement then there's typically more to the story than "omg stupid consumer lmaooo", especially considering the quality of lawyers that corporate money can get.

Usually the consumer isn't the one at fault.

Exactly. Unfortunately, the corporate propaganda spread easier than the facts of the case.

Rusozak wrote:

Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles wrote:
Libertarianism has a bit of a schism on Trump. I've been following the folks at Reason.com; the various contributors and editors-at-large of the publication appear extremely critical of Trump, especially as concerns claims nonsensical claims as to election fraud. On the other hand, contributors to their comments sections seem very much of an opposite opinion.

To be fair, even when I followed Libertarianism in earnest, it was mostly the Reason crowd and a selection of intellectual/university types, and that was a while ago, so my info might be out of date.

I wasn't aware there were any libertarian Trumpers, with all the "Law and Order" pro-police state talk they've been dishing out until a week ago.

Plenty are "libertarian" to show how anti-tax they are and how pro-Capitalist, while not really being anti-authoritarian. Not all libertarians are like that, but a good deal are.