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Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles
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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:37 pm

The Untied State wrote:
Page wrote:Listening to these people debate, they really are no more insightful than your average NSer, it would honestly be little different in terms of talking points and rhetoric if a few hundred of us all gathered to do this thread IRL.

true. dunno if this is a bug or feature of democracy.


Where representative constituencies are intentionally gerrymandered to obliterate anything remotely resembling deliberative representation in favor of ideological purity, it's a bug. Where the opposite, it's a feature.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:38 pm

Nakena wrote:The democrats aren't going for the route of healing and unity so far. (exactly as I predicted)

Lmao what the fuck is “the route of healing and unity”? How are they supposed to do that? Do you mean “the route of letting people off the hook for their crimes because you’re scared of them,” or something else?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:38 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Corrian wrote:Do all Republicans just say "We need unity" without wanting accountability? Fuck them. They're still enabling pieces of shit.

That has pretty much been their entire argument, yes.
Others have chosen the route "B-B-But BLM and ANTIFA!!" which totally doesn't make them sound like a big group of hypocrites


I hope that the GOP ceases to exist after this. Like I hope the combination of losing donors, losing Trump supporters and this disgraceful behavior makes them go the way of the Whigs.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:39 pm

Page wrote:Ugh more calling the Trumpers "anarchists", they are not anarchists, their goal is to install Trump as an autocratic dictator, they are the opposite of anarchists!

Ugh, yeah.

They weren't anarchists, they were your constituents! Republicans and Trump supporters!
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:40 pm

Andsed wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:"Maybe we should follow some of Lincoln's wisdom", Scalise says.

Yeah Lincoln would have had that entire mob shot to pieces you fool, he wouldn't have rolled over and said "lets move forward and heal:)".

Imagine telling Lincoln that a mob stormed the capitol building carrying the flag of the confederates and a large amounts of Republicans thought he should just be let off.

Yeah the whole "President Lincoln.."

"Let me stop you there. I made damn sure no one carried a fucking confederate battle flag in the goddamn capitol. So thanks for that you fucking tools. Or did you forget that part of my legacy."
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:42 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Andsed wrote:Imagine telling Lincoln that a mob stormed the capitol building carrying the flag of the confederates and a large amounts of Republicans thought he should just be let off.

Yeah the whole "President Lincoln.."

"Let me stop you there. I made damn sure no one carried a fucking confederate battle flag in the goddamn capitol. So thanks for that you fucking tools. Or did you forget that part of my legacy."

Lincoln: Literally fucking suspends habeas corpus in D.C. for Confederate sympathizers.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:"Maybe we should follow some of Lincoln's wisdom", Scalise says.

Yeah Lincoln would have had that entire mob shot to pieces you fool, he wouldn't have rolled over and said "lets move forward and heal:)".

Really though.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:49 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Because it's BS. They don't want unity.

Sometimes justice is more important that paying lip service to "healing and unity".

I'm saying the Republicans are acting in bad faith and don't believe in unity. Why should the Democrats go easy on them? Answer: They shouldn't.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:50 pm

CBS poll: 55% support impeaching Trump

Morning Consult poll: 53% support impeaching Trump

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1349455067011715072
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Nakena » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:50 pm

Page wrote:Listening to these people debate, they really are no more insightful than your average NSer, it would honestly be little different in terms of talking points and rhetoric if a few hundred of us all gathered to do this thread IRL.


They aren't. They aren't people with super powers or advanced insights. They are, with few exceptions, no more special than you and me.

It's not a bug of democracy, but a feature.

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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:50 pm

Have any of you seen the pictures of the 20,000+ National Guard in DC? Its surreal.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:"Maybe we should follow some of Lincoln's wisdom", Scalise says.

Yeah Lincoln would have had that entire mob shot to pieces you fool, he wouldn't have rolled over and said "lets move forward and heal:)".


Lincoln and his party had folks like Scalise removed from Congress and made to be outcasts and political exiles.

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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:52 pm

Gravlen wrote:CBS poll: 55% support impeaching Trump

Morning Consult poll: 53% support impeaching Trump

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1349455067011715072

Morning Consult also had Trump's approval down to 35%.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:52 pm

Corrian wrote:Have any of you seen the pictures of the 20,000+ National Guard in DC? Its surreal.

I saw them sleeping on the marble floors of the hallway last night.

Oddly for once the soldiers really are defending our democracy. It might be the first time in my lifetime they're doing that and not defending our corporate interests abroad.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:52 pm

Corrian wrote:Have any of you seen the pictures of the 20,000+ National Guard in DC? Its surreal.

This one, especially, with the headline and quality, looks right out of a disaster movie.
"It was golden, purple, violet, gray and blue. It lighted every peak, crevasse and ridge of the nearby mountain range with a clarity and beauty that cannot be described but must be seen to be imagined. It was that beauty that the great poets dream about but describe most poorly and inadequately..."

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:53 pm

Thank fuck that's over. Now mill about and push buttons.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:54 pm

And the voting begins. Around 3 Republicans have voted yes so far
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:55 pm

Corrian wrote:Have any of you seen the pictures of the 20,000+ National Guard in DC? Its surreal.

More than three times the total number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, supposedly.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:56 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Corrian wrote:Have any of you seen the pictures of the 20,000+ National Guard in DC? Its surreal.

This one, especially, with the headline and quality, looks right out of a disaster movie.

How about this?
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:56 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Corrian wrote:Have any of you seen the pictures of the 20,000+ National Guard in DC? Its surreal.

I saw them sleeping on the marble floors of the hallway last night.

Oddly for once the soldiers really are defending our democracy. It might be the first time in my lifetime they're doing that and not defending our corporate interests abroad.

Yep. One of the first times I am fully supportive of the troops right now.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:59 pm

McConnell won't reconvene the Senate before the 19th. Unless someone can change his mind, Trump will finish out his term.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:59 pm

Four so far and a fifth Republican that will vote to impeach is talking to ABC and will vote to impeach when he's done.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Cordel One » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:00 pm

Corrian wrote:Have any of you seen the pictures of the 20,000+ National Guard in DC? Its surreal.

Sleepover!

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:McConnell won't reconvene the Senate before the 19th. Unless someone can change his mind, Trump will finish out his term.

Wasn't there some sort of voodoo that Schumer could pull? Or was that just wishful thinking?


...what I'm saying is 'you google it for me...'


alright, fine. back in a mo'.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:01 pm

Ifreann wrote:McConnell won't reconvene the Senate before the 19th. Unless someone can change his mind, Trump will finish out his term.


As we expected. Impeachment at this point is to keep him from returning.
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