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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:32 pm

Xmara wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The damage is done. His image isn't going to change. I don;'t see him pulling a Cleveland in 2024.

It would be the biggest mistake the US could possibly make


..and he should be impeached to ensure it doesn't happen.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:33 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kowani wrote:
no
this is transparently for his own self benefit

If that were the case, he would have done it months ago.

Nah, there was no real threat of impeachment for what he was doing months ago. Now his lies have resulted in the GOP losing and Georgia and more importantly, a riot and people are pissed at him. I think a lot of Republicans are starting to turn on him. This is damage control.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:34 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kowani wrote:
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this is transparently for his own self benefit

If that were the case, he would have done it months ago.

Just as many on the left, living in bubbles, underestimated the size of Trump’s supporters, he, living in his bubble, overestimated that size. The backlash to yesterday has finally let him know that the jig is up, that there isn’t widespread enough support to keep him in office, and that he will be remembered in a negative light, and he’s scrambling to do anything to fix his image now.

Unless he’s lulling us all into a false sense of security and is about to end the world, or something.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:34 pm

Andsed wrote:
Geneviev wrote:If that were the case, he would have done it months ago.

Nah, there was no real threat of impeachment for what he was doing months ago. Now his lies have resulted in the GOP losing and Georgia and more importantly, a riot and people are pissed at him. I think a lot of Republicans are starting to turn on him. This is damage control.


I can even see McConnell turning towards voting towards conviction but I honestly don't know if 18 votes exist against Trump in the Senate, even with McConnell.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:35 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN29B2NN

a huge push for Black voters in Georgia was a factor in Ossoff and Warnok's win.

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Postby Istoreya » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:35 pm

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Well what did you expect? He only implied there was no election fraud, he still managed to skirt around outright saying "There was no fraud" which at this point is the only thing that might calm them down. The looniest ones are too far gone.

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Postby Xmara » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:35 pm

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So what video is that subreddit up in arms over?
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:36 pm

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Outside governments do not have intelligence into law enforcement and they have offered no evidence to support their claim. This is just speculation on their part.

Outside governments’ intelligence agencies have penetrated the US government many times throughout history and also have informal collegial networks among diplomats and senior officials so I wouldn’t necessarily dismiss them out of hand as being completely in the dark

Also, if senior European security officials are looking at the same circumstantial evidence as me and drawing the same conclusion, I do feel a bit better about it lmao
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Postby Istoreya » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:36 pm

Xmara wrote:
Kowani wrote:(Image)

So what video is that subreddit up in arms over?

Trump's concession on Twitter, I imagine

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Postby Andsed » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:36 pm

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Ohh the meltdown on TheDonald must be amazing.
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Postby Xmara » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Xmara wrote:It would be the biggest mistake the US could possibly make


..and he should be impeached to ensure it doesn't happen.

Yeah he should face criminal charges
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:37 pm

Xmara wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
..and he should be impeached to ensure it doesn't happen.

Yeah he should face criminal charges


The US attorney for DC said they are looking into possible criminal charges.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:37 pm

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So what video is that subreddit up in arms over?

1: This one
2: This is not a subreddit, it's TheDonald
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:37 pm

Gotta say, not a fan of George Bush condemning Trump about this and saying it's how elections are contested in banana republics and stuff and all the elites uniting to condemn it.

It's like.

Dude.

You started this shit. The brooks brothers riot was done *at a polling station to threaten, intimidate, and do violence against people counting ballots*, and you promoted the people *who organized it* to your cabinet.

You didn't just vaguely implicitly support it but denounce it explicitly.

GOP reps went in, threatened people, and you promoted them to the cabinet.

The double standards and hypocrisy is too much to bare, as is the whole "Oh wow, Trump is something else, Trump is an anomaly, what a change for the republican party."

Fucker they've been like this since 2000 and none of you cared because they were "Your people" and Trump is the outsider. THATS why the elites are throwing a tantrum about it.

Because he's an outsider and had the gall to have his people threaten violence against senators to subvert democracy instead of being an insider and just threaten the plebs counting votes.


Honestly?

*Trump is an improvement since Bush when you view it like that.*.

If the GOP is going to storm places and threaten violence to subvert democracy, your damn right it should be against politicians rather than volunteers.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Xmara wrote:So what video is that subreddit up in arms over?

1: This one
2: This is not a subreddit, it's TheDonald

Hopefully they dont vote in future elections or launch primary challenges.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:37 pm

Andsed wrote:
Geneviev wrote:If that were the case, he would have done it months ago.

Nah, there was no real threat of impeachment for what he was doing months ago. Now his lies have resulted in the GOP losing and Georgia and more importantly, a riot and people are pissed at him. I think a lot of Republicans are starting to turn on him. This is damage control.

He already got impeached. And he wanted the Republican candidates in Georgia to lose. This isn't that much worse for him than things that happened before. It's a lot worse for the country, a lot, but that's all.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:38 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Andsed wrote:Nah, there was no real threat of impeachment for what he was doing months ago. Now his lies have resulted in the GOP losing and Georgia and more importantly, a riot and people are pissed at him. I think a lot of Republicans are starting to turn on him. This is damage control.

He already got impeached. And he wanted the Republican candidates in Georgia to lose. This isn't that much worse for him than things that happened before. It's a lot worse for the country, a lot, but that's all.

I wonder if hes going to try and defeat as many Republicans as possible in future elections.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:38 pm

Andsed wrote:
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Ohh the meltdown on TheDonald must be amazing.

Honestly, they’re not even really blowing up about it. They’re just sort of... depressed.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:39 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Andsed wrote:Nah, there was no real threat of impeachment for what he was doing months ago. Now his lies have resulted in the GOP losing and Georgia and more importantly, a riot and people are pissed at him. I think a lot of Republicans are starting to turn on him. This is damage control.

He already got impeached. And he wanted the Republican candidates in Georgia to lose. This isn't that much worse for him than things that happened before. It's a lot worse for the country, a lot, but that's all.

His last impeachment had slim chances due to him still having the loyalty of the Republican party. Thats not a certainty for him any more. Like this is Donald Trump were talking about. Do you really think he just saw the light of all of a sudden?
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Postby Xmara » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:40 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Xmara wrote:So what video is that subreddit up in arms over?

Trump's concession on Twitter, I imagine

Trump is only conceding to salvage what’s left of his public image
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Postby Istoreya » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:40 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Andsed wrote:Ohh the meltdown on TheDonald must be amazing.

Honestly, they’re not even really blowing up about it. They’re just sort of... depressed.

That's... good? Sadness is better than anger, when we've seen what angry Trumpers are capable of.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:40 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Xmara wrote:So what video is that subreddit up in arms over?

Trump's concession on Twitter, I imagine

The hagiographies that Bret Stephens and his ilk are going to write about that concession... I’m sick
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:40 pm

Andsed wrote:
Kowani wrote:(Image)

Ohh the meltdown on TheDonald must be amazing.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:40 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Andsed wrote:Ohh the meltdown on TheDonald must be amazing.

Honestly, they’re not even really blowing up about it. They’re just sort of... depressed.


surprised they arent blowing up about it.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:40 pm

Istoreya wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:Honestly, they’re not even really blowing up about it. They’re just sort of... depressed.

That's... good? Sadness is better than anger, when we've seen what angry Trumpers are capable of.

something something five stages
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