American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Kowani]

20 Trump supporters surround, beat, and mace woman who was walking home, no arrests made

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That wasn't on the 6th, though, was it?

looking through circumstantial stuff, either the 5th or the 6th

20 Trump supporters surround, beat, and mace woman who was walking home, no arrests made

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The behaviour of DC police throughout this mess is disgraceful.

this one's LA, part of the greater riots

[Kannap]

20 Trump supporters surround, beat, and mace woman who was walking home, no arrests made

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That wasn't on the 6th, though, was it?

According to the tweet, it was during a "Stop the Steal" rally in Los Angeles yesterday.

[Valrifell]

I'm all for getting rid of current congress in its entirety. They arego awful and aren't providing the needed aid properly. It's about time to clean house. That being said I doubt that will ever happen.

There is something called an election. We just had one including two in Georgia this week.

Then why did you just support thr expulsion of Sen. Cruz? I don't have to tell you but that is not an election.

[San Lumen]

There is something called an election. We just had one including two in Georgia this week.

Then why did you just support thr expulsion of Sen. Cruz? I don't have to tell you but that is not an election.

Notice how I gave three different options.

[Senkaku]

- didn't have enough people to man the barricades

That's not really the police's fault. The DC Mayor told officers to stand down the day before the assault happened. And anyway, them being understaffed is not evidence of collusion between the police, Trump or the rioters.

Which is why I said each thing on its own wouldn't seem to be terribly conclusive, yes.

- let rioters through the barricades

Either (a) to prevent the protestors from charging or (b) to attempt to move them to a more secure location. And anyway them closing down barricades in six or ten second video is not proof of collusion.

I suppose inside the Capitol is "a more secure location."

- didn't regroup at a more manageable, shorter perimeter
- didn't regroup to seal the building's entrances
- didn't even regroup inside to prevent the House and Senate chambers from being besieged

It should be noted that the primary priority of the law enforcement on the scene was to evacuate the some 535 congressmen and Senators who were in the building. They cannot be everywhere at once, especially given their dimished numbers. [/quote]
If there were so few people available that they couldn't even hold the building while evacuating people, I will refer you back to point one.

- shadowed but did not stop rioters breaching the premises

How could they? Did you not see the video of the one Black cop holding off the throng of rioters on their way to the Senate chamber. What did you want them to do, shoot into the crowd? They used tear gas as well. When you are dealing with a rabid mob often firing into it not knowing whether your targets are armed is extremely dangerous.

Firing rubber bullets and gas canisters directly into crowds seemed to be perfectly acceptable conduct this summer against peaceful protesters in streets thousands of miles from DC, so I guess I expected they'd almost certainly therefore be trotted out against rioters and putschists inside of the seat of the nation's government.

The primary purpose of the police in that situation is to deescalate the situation, which they did rather admirably.

"I wish for conservatives having a fucking come-to-Jesus moment on de-escalation as a core principle of policing."

*monkey's paw curls*

- rejected offers of reinforcement from the feds

This reflects poorly on the department, but it is not evidence of collusion. Evidence of collusion would be finding documents suggesting that president Trump actively encouraged the police to do what they did, or evidence that the police were aware of the rioters' intentions beforehand by collaborating with them. No such evidence exists.

No such evidence has been offered publicly, and is also quite likely to be destroyed before it can come to light. But you're right, on its own, this single thing wouldn't be enough to make me think "yeah, there was collusion." I refer you back to the first point.

- took selfies with the protesters

That was one individual. You are generalising the department based on the actions of one of its members.

Yes. The department is comprised of individuals; their actions are reflective of its culture and institutional priorities. On its own, it wouldn't be enough to make me seriously think the organization as a whole was involved. Taken together with-- well, if you've read this far it'll sound like a broken record at this point.

Now, any one of those things taken on its own might be evidence of incompetence rather than collusion, maybe even any pair of those things. But taken all together, one gets the distinct sense that perhaps something fishy was afoot.

It's certainly possible that something fishy was happening, but there is no distinct evidence of that. As you said, this is evidence of incompetence, not collusion. They are doing an investigation into this anyway, and if there is actual evidence that police colluded, I would be the first to examine it and admit that I was incorrect.

It is evidence of incompetence so staggering that it beggars belief. Hence why I think a simpler explanation for all of these things coincidentally occurring at the same time is that there was just some collusion.

And the big lol moment is that you have treated police collusion to be a certainty, rather than a possibility.

With the facts that are currently publicly available, it certainly seems like the simplest and most likely explanation.

[Kannap]

20 Trump supporters surround, beat, and mace woman who was walking home, no arrests made

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The behaviour of DC police throughout this mess is disgraceful.

This incident occurred in Los Angeles yesterday, not D.C.

[Irona]

There is something called an election. We just had one including two in Georgia this week.

Then why did you just support thr expulsion of Sen. Cruz? I don't have to tell you but that is not an election.

I'm pretty sure senators can be removed from office by their peers?

[Holy Tedalonia]

I'm all for getting rid of current congress in its entirety. They arego awful and aren't providing the needed aid properly. It's about time to clean house. That being said I doubt that will ever happen.

There is something called an election. We just had one including two in Georgia this week.

Don't patronize me,

Incumbents almost always have the advantage. Our voting system doesn't even give third parties a chance to win. The only way I can see things getting better is if laws change to give third parties a chance providing people a choice more than what shittier version of icecream they'd like.

[San Lumen]

Then why did you just support thr expulsion of Sen. Cruz? I don't have to tell you but that is not an election.

I'm pretty sure senators can be removed from office by their peers?

Yes. Its called expulsion, It requires a two thirds majority and has not happened since the Civil War.

[-Ra-]

Then why did you just support thr expulsion of Sen. Cruz? I don't have to tell you but that is not an election.

I'm pretty sure senators can be removed from office by their peers?

Yes

[Farnhamia]

That wasn't on the 6th, though, was it?

According to the tweet, it was during a "Stop the Steal" rally in Los Angeles yesterday.

Los Angeles? That explains the sunshine. Carry on.

[Xmara]

I’ve been looking at the pictures from yesterday again. I can’t believe this happened here. I never would have expected to see an autocoup attempt in my country in my lifetime.

To any NS users who may be in DC: hope you all are okay. Stay safe.

[Comfed]

The behaviour of DC police throughout this mess is disgraceful.

This incident occurred in Los Angeles yesterday, not D.C.

Ah, thank you.

[Kowani]

A current Metro D.C. police officer on the scene yesterday said that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the Capitol.

[Irona]

I'm pretty sure senators can be removed from office by their peers?

Yes

I'm pretty sure senators can be removed from office by their peers?

Yes. Its called expulsion, It requires a two thirds majority and has not happened since the Civil War.

At the very least they ought to be censured.

[Xmara]

A current Metro D.C. police officer on the scene yesterday said that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the Capitol.

The officers should be fired and arrested. The military members should be tried in a court martial.

[San Lumen]

Yes

Yes. Its called expulsion, It requires a two thirds majority and has not happened since the Civil War.

At the very least they ought to be censured.

I agree completely. You only need a simple majority for that. The last senator to be censured was David Durenberger in 1990.

[Irona]

At the very least they ought to be censured.

I agree completely. You only need a simple majority for that. The last senator to be censured was David Durenberger in 1990.

What did he do?

[Bombadil]

A current Metro D.C. police officer on the scene yesterday said that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the Capitol.

The infiltration of right wing activists into the police has long been documented, there should be a serious review and purge of the police force in general and recruitment and training programs put in place.

[Kowani]

CNN reports GOP sources close to White House say Trump “unstable, ranting and raving” and “bent on destruction in his final days.”

[Valrifell]

CNN reports GOP sources close to White House say Trump “unstable, ranting and raving” and “bent on destruction in his final days.”

Nice

[Kowani]

CNN reports GOP sources close to White House say Trump “unstable, ranting and raving” and “bent on destruction in his final days.”

And in the oddest contradiction, Trump just released a statement where he sounds like a rational human being and concedes

[Bombadil]

CNN reports GOP sources close to White House say Trump “unstable, ranting and raving” and “bent on destruction in his final days.”

Nice

I begin to wonder if that statement of his promising peaceful transition was made with his permission at all, or simply put out by his aides to try calm the situation despite him.

[San Lumen]

I agree completely. You only need a simple majority for that. The last senator to be censured was David Durenberger in 1990.

What did he do?

ethics violations related to evading limits on $100,000 in speaking fees and using his own condo in Minneapolis to collect $40,000 in travel reimbursements.

[Istoreya]

Is anyone else seeing this?
Does he actually make it through a whole 2 minutes, managing to not only properly condemn the violence this time, but also not say once that there was election fraud, in fact suggesting he's come to accept there wasn't?
He does still lie though, because of course. Most people know it wasn't him but Pence who called the National Guard.