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Bombadil wrote:A sneak preview of Trump's speech at Alamo tomorrow.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YWXFiQWWfk

Bombadil wrote:Well apparently..

Rather than focus on any of these pressing issues, Trump is going Tuesday to Alamo, Texas -- not to be confused with The Alamo -- to talk about the border wall as his last stand.

Is going to place called Alamo really the actions of a responsible president in these times?

United Chinese Communes wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
It's really hard to remember what was going on two years ago given this presidency.. it's like reading the Richard Wolf book up to chapter 6 and thinking 'jesus.. how does this get worse' and the next chapter is simply titled - Scaramucci.

It's been a long four years, with plenty of twists and turns. It would be entertaining weren't it so exhausting and occasionally terrifying.

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:

Diahon wrote:just think of the hundreds of thousands who wouldn't have been dead of this fucking pandemic due to trump basically giving up

how many of them used to log on to ns to do whatever, living out their lives online and off, before those twin catastrophes fucked one another? how many would've been deranged by trump's lies and so forgot or forbade themselves from protecting their own, infected others, and either died or now live crippled lives?

ah death, so spiritually taxing

A democratic presidency wouldn’t have done better with COVID either.

Bahia Roja wrote:I think Kowani shared that news a few hours ago.

Vassenor wrote:

Kexholm Karelia wrote:To be fair it’s not all liberals, the ones who actually care about liberty are agreeable and respectable people, but the SJW types who want to ban things because it hurts their feelings should be called out

You mean the ones the Rightists make up because they hate the fact that being casually racist isn't socially acceptable any more?

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
If nothing else it was relaxing not to hear about what the president has just said, or did, on a daily if not hourly basis.

Now think of how bad Trump was to make you miss Obama or Bush. Think of how chaotic he's been.

Bombadil wrote:Well apparently..

Rather than focus on any of these pressing issues, Trump is going Tuesday to Alamo, Texas -- not to be confused with The Alamo -- to talk about the border wall as his last stand.

Is going to place called Alamo really the actions of a responsible president in these times?

Faraby wrote:

United Chinese Communes wrote:It's been a long four years, with plenty of twists and turns. It would be entertaining weren't it so exhausting and occasionally terrifying.

It's hard to believe that soon it's going to be four years since he signed the travel ban, fired the acting Attorney General, and implied that Frederick Douglass was still alive. I still remember them like it's yesterday.

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:

Bombadil wrote:Well apparently..

Rather than focus on any of these pressing issues, Trump is going Tuesday to Alamo, Texas -- not to be confused with The Alamo -- to talk about the border wall as his last stand.

Is going to place called Alamo really the actions of a responsible president in these times?

I still don’t get why he keeps insisting on an ineffective wall when the obvious solution is to beef up vetting at airports and having armed patrols at the border

Corrian wrote:

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
A democratic presidency wouldn’t have done better with COVID either.

Yes they would have.

Freiheit Reich wrote: "Live free die."

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Please don't remind me of the disappointment that was Barack Obama.

He honestly was good. Not great or anything and def had problems. But he was overall good at runing the nation.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Corrian wrote:Yes they would have.

The top 4 states in covid-19 deaths per capita are VERY democrat and they heavily suppressed civil liberties (esp. New York) and still failed:

Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States as of January 11, 2021, by state

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... -by-state/

A good leader would have done what Ron Paul suggested and just inform the people and let people decide if they want to social distance and wear masks or not. I prefer freedom with a few more deaths over totalitarianism. Many Americans are disappointingly weak and very quick to panic and give up their freedoms for security. "Live free or die."

Jedi Council wrote:

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The top 4 states in covid-19 deaths per capita are VERY democrat and they heavily suppressed civil liberties (esp. New York) and still failed:

Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States as of January 11, 2021, by state

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... -by-state/

A good leader would have done what Ron Paul suggested and just inform the people and let people decide if they want to social distance and wear masks or not. I prefer freedom with a few more deaths over totalitarianism. Many Americans are disappointingly weak and very quick to panic and give up their freedoms for security. "Live free or die."

The fact you think COVID response measures are totalitarian is a huge clue that you have never actually lived in a totalitarian country.

But keep throwing that word around, its sure to scare enough on the right to actually convince them they are living in North Korea.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:The fact you think COVID response measures are totalitarian is a huge clue that you have never actually lived in a totalitarian country.

But keep throwing that word around, its sure to scare enough on the right to actually convince them they are living in North Korea.

Well, putting a lot of people in prison is a form of totalitarianism. In this case, the USA is #1.

U.S. Has World’s Highest Incarceration Rate

https://www.prb.org/us-incarceration/

Since 2002, the United States has had the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Refugees from tyranny agree: Authoritarian threat in America now is from the left

https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/refugees- ... -the-left/

Left-wing hysterics with major media platforms have for years been shrieking that President Trump is about to install a fascist dictatorship any minute. Meanwhile, unheard immigrants from the Soviet bloc warn that totalitarian tyranny is actually emerging from the left — and Americans are too naive to see it coming.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:The fact you think COVID response measures are totalitarian is a huge clue that you have never actually lived in a totalitarian country.

But keep throwing that word around, its sure to scare enough on the right to actually convince them they are living in North Korea.

Well, putting a lot of people in prison is a form of totalitarianism. In this case, the USA is #1.

U.S. Has World’s Highest Incarceration Rate

https://www.prb.org/us-incarceration/

Since 2002, the United States has had the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Refugees from tyranny agree: Authoritarian threat in America now is from the left

https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/refugees- ... -the-left/

Left-wing hysterics with major media platforms have for years been shrieking that President Trump is about to install a fascist dictatorship any minute. Meanwhile, unheard immigrants from the Soviet bloc warn that totalitarian tyranny is actually emerging from the left — and Americans are too naive to see it coming.

Freiheit Reich wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:The fact you think COVID response measures are totalitarian is a huge clue that you have never actually lived in a totalitarian country.

But keep throwing that word around, its sure to scare enough on the right to actually convince them they are living in North Korea.

Well, putting a lot of people in prison is a form of totalitarianism. In this case, the USA is #1.

U.S. Has World’s Highest Incarceration Rate

https://www.prb.org/us-incarceration/

Since 2002, the United States has had the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Refugees from tyranny agree: Authoritarian threat in America now is from the left

https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/refugees- ... -the-left/

Left-wing hysterics with major media platforms have for years been shrieking that President Trump is about to install a fascist dictatorship any minute. Meanwhile, unheard immigrants from the Soviet bloc warn that totalitarian tyranny is actually emerging from the left — and Americans are too naive to see it coming.

There is particular fear among Republicans in Trump-heavy districts who voted against the GOP’s doomed bid to overturn the election results. Many came home last week to find constituents — preachers, school superintendents, churchgoing men and women — cheering on the effort rather than condemning it, according to multiple GOP lawmakers.

“Both parties have extremists,” said the GOP lawmaker. “There's a difference in our crazy people and their crazy people. Our crazy people have an excessive amount of arms. They have gun safes. They have grenades. They believe in the Second Amendment. They come here and Trump's made them think this is the Alamo.”

Gravlen wrote:

There is particular fear among Republicans in Trump-heavy districts who voted against the GOP’s doomed bid to overturn the election results. Many came home last week to find constituents — preachers, school superintendents, churchgoing men and women — cheering on the effort rather than condemning it, according to multiple GOP lawmakers.

“Both parties have extremists,” said the GOP lawmaker. “There's a difference in our crazy people and their crazy people. Our crazy people have an excessive amount of arms. They have gun safes. They have grenades. They believe in the Second Amendment. They come here and Trump's made them think this is the Alamo.”

The fear of attacks on elected officials is real, and impacts the decisions they're making...

Jedi Council wrote:

Gravlen wrote:

There is particular fear among Republicans in Trump-heavy districts who voted against the GOP’s doomed bid to overturn the election results. Many came home last week to find constituents — preachers, school superintendents, churchgoing men and women — cheering on the effort rather than condemning it, according to multiple GOP lawmakers.

“Both parties have extremists,” said the GOP lawmaker. “There's a difference in our crazy people and their crazy people. Our crazy people have an excessive amount of arms. They have gun safes. They have grenades. They believe in the Second Amendment. They come here and Trump's made them think this is the Alamo.”

The fear of attacks on elected officials is real, and impacts the decisions they're making...

It's hard to feel sympathy when they indulged the far right for years for short term political gain.

Perhaps instead of pandering to their ammosexual, wingnut, far-right-through-Poland base, they should have done what responsible public officials, and parents, do; say no.

Freiheit Reich wrote:Left-wing hysterics with major media platforms have for years been shrieking that President Trump is about to install a fascist dictatorship any minute.

Freiheit Reich wrote:Well, putting a lot of people in prison is a form of totalitarianism. In this case, the USA is #1.

U.S. Has World’s Highest Incarceration Rate

https://www.prb.org/us-incarceration/

Since 2002, the United States has had the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Capitol Police briefed Democrats on Monday night about three more potentially gruesome demonstrations planned in the coming days, with one plot to encircle the U.S. Capitol and assassinate Democrats and some Republicans.

On a private call Monday night, new leaders of the Capitol Police told House Democrats they were closely monitoring three separate plans that could pose serious threats to members of Congress as Washington prepares for Democrat Joe Biden’s presidential inauguration on Jan. 20.

The first is a demonstration billed as the “largest armed protest ever to take place on American soil.”

Another is a protest in honor of Ashli Babbitt, the woman killed while trying to climb into the Speaker’s Lobby during Wednesday’s pro-Trump siege of the Capitol.

And another demonstration, which three members said was by far the most concerning plot, would involve insurrectionists forming a perimeter around the Capitol, the White House and the Supreme Court, and then blocking Democrats from entering the Capitol ― perhaps even killing them ― so that Republicans could take control of the government.

The members of Congress whom HuffPost spoke to Monday night were extremely concerned by the call.

“It was pretty overwhelming,” one member said.

Officials on the call warned lawmakers about sharing too much information with the media, saying that divulging specific dates, times and countermeasures could aid the organizers of the plots. HuffPost is not disclosing certain information, such as who appears to be organizing these plots and when they are to take place.

One member was explicit that these groups were trying to get journalists to report on their demonstrations.

“Some of their main communications to organize these have been cut off, so they’re purposely trying to get the media to report on this as a way to further disseminate information and to attract additional support for their attacks,” this member said.

Democrats were told that the Capitol Police and the National Guard were preparing for potentially tens of thousands of armed protesters coming to Washington and were establishing rules of engagement for warfare. In general, the military and police don’t plan to shoot anyone until one of the rioters fires, but there could be exceptions.

Lawmakers were told that the plot to encircle the Capitol also included plans to surround the White House ― so that no one could harm Trump ― and the Supreme Court, simply to shut down the courts. The plan to surround the Capitol includes assassinating Democrats as well as Republicans who didn’t support Trump’s effort to overturn the election ― and allowing other Republicans to enter the building and control government.

All of these plots may never materialize. The Capitol Police have established a new perimeter with fencing and razor wire, and the National Guard has already been called in to help protect the Capitol and lawmakers.

But while Capitol Police assured members they were prepared for these terrorist plots, there was obvious concern from a number of lawmakers.

One topic of discussion was the need to put every member of Congress through a metal detector before the inauguration. A member on the call told HuffPost that there was an “eyes-wide-open realization” that Capitol Police needed to take precautions against “all these members who were in league with the insurrectionists who love to carry their guns.”

“You can’t just let them bypass security and walk right up to [Joe] Biden and [Kamala] Harris at inauguration,” this lawmaker told HuffPost.

Another area of concern was the Trump administration’s involvement in tamping down an insurrection. “I don’t think anyone has confidence that the folks at the Pentagon, that may or may not even be needed for some of this, or the Department of Homeland Security, where we don’t even know who’s in charge, are going to be cooperative,” one member told HuffPost.

One Democrat on the call also raised the issue of security for members coming from their residences to the Capitol, as well as traveling to Washington, given recent confrontations at airports and on flights between some protesters and lawmakers. One member who spoke to HuffPost said the Capitol Police didn’t have a satisfactory answer about that concern.

This member mentioned how the briefing had underscored the wisdom of Twitter suspending Trump’s account, as well as tens of thousands of accounts associated with the right-wing conspiracy theory QAnon, and said the decision to cut off the social media platform Parler “looked a lot smarter” given the efforts to recruit armed extremists to come to the nation’s capital in the coming days.

“It’s a decision that might ultimately save lives,” this member said.

One of the lawmakers who spoke to HuffPost said members of Congress were all experiencing difficult reactions to the storming of the Capitol last week.

“Most of us are feeling that,” this Democrat said. “But we are also feeling that we don’t have time to indulge too much of it, that this is not about us, that it’s about a job that’s way bigger than us, and we are just going to suck it up and get through, and we’ll talk about how nutty it is on the other side.”

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https://listverse.com/2019/11/07/obama- ... -scandals/