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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:31 pm
by No State Here
Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:
That's fair enough I suppose. There are people I wouldn't feel sympathy towards if they got doxxed, but those are people who have actually done something wrong, such as animal abusers.

Yeah I agree, but I would still feel bad if a leftist gets doxxed though because in the end they’re fellow people and I can’t imagine like what it is to be doxxed especially if you live in an area where people will harass you for your views

I wonder if there’s a witness protection program for doxxing victims, there are certainly parts of America where your life could be in danger simply for having certain political views. At this point it feels like we’re living in Northern Ireland

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:32 pm
by Kowani

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:32 pm
by Bombadil
An interesting article - The Roots of Josh Hawley's Rage

Christian nationalists’ acceptance of President Trump’s spectacular turpitude these past four years was a good measure of just how dire they think our situation is. Even a corrupt sociopath was better, in their eyes, than the horrifying freedom that religious moderates and liberals, along with the many Americans who don’t happen to be religious, offer the world.

That this neo-medieval vision is incompatible with constitutional democracy is clear. But in case you’re in doubt, consider where some of the most militant and coordinated support for Mr. Trump’s postelection assault on the American constitutional system has come from. The Conservative Action Project, a group associated with the Council for National Policy, which serves as a networking organization for America’s religious and economic right-wing elite, made its position clear in a statement issued a week before the insurrection.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:32 pm
by Thermodolia
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Most of corporate America right now: “Holy shit, we’re crazy but we’re not that crazy.”

“We support coups and dictators just not in the US”

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:33 pm
by San Lumen
Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.

What kind of monster does something like that?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:33 pm
by Proctopeo
Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Tbh, the concept that Hawley is on the judiciary committee is absurd on its face.

Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

he was a constitutional lawyer, irrc

I also heard he was writing a book. Shame his publisher dropped him, as from the concept it might be very relevant right now.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:33 pm
by Galloism
Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Tbh, the concept that Hawley is on the judiciary committee is absurd on its face.

Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

he was a constitutional lawyer, irrc

That’s less relevant to my comment than you think.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:34 pm
by Kexholm Karelia
Proctopeo wrote:
Kowani wrote:he was a constitutional lawyer, irrc

I also heard he was writing a book. Shame his publisher dropped him, as from the concept it might be very relevant right now.

It’s also very ironic
Thermodolia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Most of corporate America right now: “Holy shit, we’re crazy but we’re not that crazy.”

“We support coups and dictators just not in the US”

Yeah surprisingly I find myself agreeing more and more with the left now on monopoly busting

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:34 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi
Bombadil wrote:An interesting article - The Roots of Josh Hawley's Rage

Christian nationalists’ acceptance of President Trump’s spectacular turpitude these past four years was a good measure of just how dire they think our situation is. Even a corrupt sociopath was better, in their eyes, than the horrifying freedom that religious moderates and liberals, along with the many Americans who don’t happen to be religious, offer the world.

That this neo-medieval vision is incompatible with constitutional democracy is clear. But in case you’re in doubt, consider where some of the most militant and coordinated support for Mr. Trump’s postelection assault on the American constitutional system has come from. The Conservative Action Project, a group associated with the Council for National Policy, which serves as a networking organization for America’s religious and economic right-wing elite, made its position clear in a statement issued a week before the insurrection.


That’s to a significant extant due to secularization of the American social right.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:35 pm
by Kexholm Karelia
No State Here wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Yeah I agree, but I would still feel bad if a leftist gets doxxed though because in the end they’re fellow people and I can’t imagine like what it is to be doxxed especially if you live in an area where people will harass you for your views

I wonder if there’s a witness protection program for doxxing victims, there are certainly parts of America where your life could be in danger simply for having certain political views. At this point it feels like we’re living in Northern Ireland

I don’t get the analogy to Ireland but there are very extremist parts of the country so that’s true

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:36 pm
by Kowani
Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:he was a constitutional lawyer, irrc

That’s less relevant to my comment than you think.

i barely remember what the Judiciary committee does

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:36 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi
Kexholm Karelia wrote:
No State Here wrote:I wonder if there’s a witness protection program for doxxing victims, there are certainly parts of America where your life could be in danger simply for having certain political views. At this point it feels like we’re living in Northern Ireland

I don’t get the analogy to Ireland but there are very extremist parts of the country so that’s true


I think the analogy is with ethnoreligious conflict in Northern Ireland between pro-UK and anti-UK people.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:37 pm
by No State Here
Kexholm Karelia wrote:
No State Here wrote:I wonder if there’s a witness protection program for doxxing victims, there are certainly parts of America where your life could be in danger simply for having certain political views. At this point it feels like we’re living in Northern Ireland

I don’t get the analogy to Ireland but there are very extremist parts of the country so that’s true

IIRC Northern Ireland has clear "Republican" and "Loyalist" areas and being on the "wrong side" could endanger your life there, especially if people know about your beliefs. America feels more and more like that every day, the divide is especially visible when I drive from NYC to Upstate NY

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:37 pm
by Valrifell
Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:That’s less relevant to my comment than you think.

i barely remember what the Judiciary committee does


They... you know... uh... do... judge stuff.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:38 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi
No State Here wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I don’t get the analogy to Ireland but there are very extremist parts of the country so that’s true

IIRC Northern Ireland has clear "Republican" and "Loyalist" areas and being on the "wrong side" could endanger your life there, especially if people know about your beliefs. America feels more and more like that every day, the divide is especially visible when I drive from NYC to Upstate NY


Outside very blue areas such as Massachusetts it is mostly an urban-rural divide.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:39 pm
by Thermodolia
Senkaku wrote:
Page wrote:The fact that a dude's own mom snitched on him really shows you what kind of people they are.

sorry were we supposed to take the giant unspoilered meme image with a weird non-iOS cry-laughing emoji as a credible source on this man's identity and family history

Well he did take his mom to the coup

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:39 pm
by Kowani
Valrifell wrote:
Kowani wrote:i barely remember what the Judiciary committee does


They... you know... uh... do... judge stuff.

"The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary, informally the Senate Judiciary Committee, is a standing committee of 22 U.S. senators whose role is to oversee the Department of Justice (DOJ), consider executive and judicial nominations, and review pending legislation."

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:41 pm
by No State Here
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
No State Here wrote:IIRC Northern Ireland has clear "Republican" and "Loyalist" areas and being on the "wrong side" could endanger your life there, especially if people know about your beliefs. America feels more and more like that every day, the divide is especially visible when I drive from NYC to Upstate NY


Outside very blue areas such as Massachusetts it is mostly an urban-rural divide.

On the whole yes, there are notable outliers, such as Dallas TX being a conservative big city and the region from Northeast PA to Albany being an extremely liberal rural area

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:42 pm
by Cannot think of a name
UniversalCommons wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Oh shit, I might get treated how I treated minorities!"


Sure there is. It means that in order to hold power, you have to be more inclusive, on the right, you invite in the hardcore-- the goldbugs, the white supremacists, the sovereign citizens and other crazies. It means you get a weird populism with some very unsavory politics. The same is true of the left, you get communists, hardcore greens, and other fringe people. You can't rely completely on the old majorities and you have to reach out to people who many people consider fringe. This part of the reason you get populists like Trump or Ocasio-Cortez.

Did you quote the wrong person or something?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:43 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi
No State Here wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Outside very blue areas such as Massachusetts it is mostly an urban-rural divide.

On the whole yes, there are notable outliers, such as Dallas TX being a conservative big city and the region from Northeast PA to Albany being an extremely liberal rural area


Yup. New England is unique in that its rural areas except for northern Maine tend to be blue. I’d assume that it is because it still votes as if the religious culture war was still going on and that NE is fairly secular.

The urban-rural divide is very strong in many areas. You just need to drive for 5 miles in one direction from a confusing mixed suburb to a very blue or very red area.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:43 pm
by Nakena
since a lot of people seem confused about this detail and there is a bullshit reddit post going around:

only things that were available publicly via the web were archived. i don't have you e-mail address, phone or credit card number. unless you posted it yourself on parler.


https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/13 ... 6978424832

From my understanding some sort of open web crawler was used.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:45 pm
by Nekostan-e Gharbi
Nakena wrote:
since a lot of people seem confused about this detail and there is a bullshit reddit post going around:

only things that were available publicly via the web were archived. i don't have you e-mail address, phone or credit card number. unless you posted it yourself on parler.


https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/13 ... 6978424832

From my understanding some sort of open web crawler was used.


Doxxing is a very bad idea.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:47 pm
by No State Here
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
No State Here wrote:On the whole yes, there are notable outliers, such as Dallas TX being a conservative big city and the region from Northeast PA to Albany being an extremely liberal rural area


Yup. New England is unique in that its rural areas except for northern Maine tend to be blue. I’d assume that it is because it still votes as if the religious culture war was still going on and that NE is fairly secular.

The urban-rural divide is very strong in many areas. You just need to drive for 5 miles in one direction from a confusing mixed suburb to a very blue or very red area.

Suburbs are interesting, I remember seeing houses with perfectly alternating Trump and Biden signs in Staten Island (which is basically a suburb)

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:48 pm
by Kowani

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:48 pm
by Valrifell
No State Here wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Yup. New England is unique in that its rural areas except for northern Maine tend to be blue. I’d assume that it is because it still votes as if the religious culture war was still going on and that NE is fairly secular.

The urban-rural divide is very strong in many areas. You just need to drive for 5 miles in one direction from a confusing mixed suburb to a very blue or very red area.

Suburbs are interesting, I remember seeing houses with perfectly alternating Trump and Biden signs in Staten Island (which is basically a suburb)


Staten Island's not a suburb, Staten Island's a trash heap!