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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:10 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users


Apparently Parler had no automated method to wipe metadata from pictures or videos and they required pictures of your drivers license to become a "verified citizen" so this shit was always going to happen. All that info is a goldmine and those fucking morons just had it sitting there.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users


Apparently Parler had no automated method to wipe metadata from pictures or videos and they required pictures of your drivers license to become a "verified citizen" so this shit was always going to happen. All that info is a goldmine and those fucking morons just had it sitting there.

The hackers agree
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:12 pm

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Senkaku wrote:Formally removing him would require effort and the investment of political capital, and stir the ire of the far-right mob. Much more convenient to simply pretend he doesn't exist for two weeks. What's the worst that could happen?


Narrator: "And then the worst happened."

I mean, at this point, I'm actually not sure formal removal would really do THAT much more. Like yes, we should do it, because setting the precedent that we just handle coups by launching soft counter-coups is bad and weird, but given that pretty much the entire state apparatus seems to have basically tacitly agreed that he no longer has any authority, I doubt he can do much in the next nine days. DC is swarming with troops who won't listen to him, and if he does try some round two dealio, I'm pretty sure the soft counter-coup could easily become a very, very hard one.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:13 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users

I am apposed to all forms of censorships.

I joined Parler and I am not impressed by the format and the threads I saw on it.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:13 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users


Ah no. Sounds more like Parler had piss poor security.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:13 pm

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The Holy Therns wrote:
I'm not expected to be sorry for them, I hope.

You think doxxing people is ok?


I didn't say that. I simply said I hope I'm not expected to feel sorry for them.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:13 pm

Anyway, Trump's fundraising emails have stopped

Senkaku wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Narrator: "And then the worst happened."

I mean, at this point, I'm actually not sure formal removal would really do THAT much more. Like yes, we should do it, because setting the precedent that we just handle coups by launching soft counter-coups is bad and weird, but given that pretty much the entire state apparatus seems to have basically tacitly agreed that he no longer has any authority, I doubt he can do much in the next nine days. DC is swarming with troops who won't listen to him, and if he does try some round two dealio, I'm pretty sure the soft counter-coup could easily become a very, very hard one.

preventing him from running again seems like a nice bonus
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:14 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users


Ah no. Sounds more like Parler had piss poor security.


Extremely poor. Leaking peoples metadata is really bad.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:14 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users

I am apposed to all forms of censorships.

I joined Parler and I am not impressed by the format and the threads I saw on it.

GMS.

This isn’t censorship, it’s doxxing. Good thing I never posted any personally identifying information during my time there
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:15 pm

Kowani wrote:Something is going on at the department of State

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I mean, at this point, I'm actually not sure formal removal would really do THAT much more. Like yes, we should do it, because setting the precedent that we just handle coups by launching soft counter-coups is bad and weird, but given that pretty much the entire state apparatus seems to have basically tacitly agreed that he no longer has any authority, I doubt he can do much in the next nine days. DC is swarming with troops who won't listen to him, and if he does try some round two dealio, I'm pretty sure the soft counter-coup could easily become a very, very hard one.

preventing him from running again seems like a nice bonus

I don't think invoking the 25th Amendment would do that, would it? I thought only a conviction in an impeachment trial could secure that.

As to him running again, it's doubtful the fat fuck will even live that long. And honestly, even if he were impeached and convicted, I suspect if he's alive and still has at least roughly the support base he has now, he'd run again anyways and just dare everyone to stop him.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:15 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users


Ah no. Sounds more like Parler had piss poor security.

Sounds like it's both tbh.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:16 pm

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:You think doxxing people is ok?


I didn't say that. I simply said I hope I'm not expected to feel sorry for them.

You don't have to feel sorry for people, but the doxxing is potentially going to threaten many innocent people, especially those who went through the whole "verification" thing
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Postby Omniabstracta » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:16 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users


Ah no. Sounds more like Parler had piss poor security.

Regardless of their security being terrible, the proper thing to do in a scenario like this is to report the vulnerability to the platform, not just releasing it to the public immediately. If they don’t take action or actively go after you for discovering a vulnerability, then public disclosure is perhaps acceptable, but never before that point, and releasing all the data you could access is pretty much never okay.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Something is going on at the department of State

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Say what

There was a dissent cable a couple days ago too. Probably just a disgruntled FSO with access to the website, it's not like State is going to be the tip of the spear in a coup.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:16 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Kowani wrote:

preventing him from running again seems like a nice bonus

I don't think invoking the 25th Amendment would do that, would it? I thought only a conviction in an impeachment trial could secure that.

As to him running again, it's doubtful the fat fuck will even live that long. And honestly, even if he were impeached and convicted, I suspect if he's alive and still has at least roughly the support base he has now, he'd run again anyways and just dare everyone to stop him.

oh yeah no, 25th won't do that
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users


Apparently Parler had no automated method to wipe metadata from pictures or videos and they required pictures of your drivers license to become a "verified citizen" so this shit was always going to happen. All that info is a goldmine and those fucking morons just had it sitting there.


WTF? Picture of your license? What moron says thats a good idea?

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:17 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
I didn't say that. I simply said I hope I'm not expected to feel sorry for them.

You don't have to feel sorry for people, but the doxxing is potentially going to threaten many innocent people, especially those who went through the whole "verification" thing

I feel worse for the manatee.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

"Security Researchers" refers to hackers who’ve basically doxxed Parler users


Apparently Parler had no automated method to wipe metadata from pictures or videos and they required pictures of your drivers license to become a "verified citizen" so this shit was always going to happen. All that info is a goldmine and those fucking morons just had it sitting there.


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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:17 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
I didn't say that. I simply said I hope I'm not expected to feel sorry for them.

You don't have to feel sorry for people, but the doxxing is potentially going to threaten many innocent people, especially those who went through the whole "verification" thing


I don't support doxxing as a method. But if they were on Parler, the odds are extremely high they're no one I'd feel sorry for.
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Postby No State Here » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:18 pm

So what are potential criminal charges that doxxing could face? Incitement to violence? Harassment?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:18 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:You think doxxing people is ok?


I didn't say that. I simply said I hope I'm not expected to feel sorry for them.

70TB seems sloppy, though, and will likely include people who were just there to watch the fireworks. It's kind of haphazard. Also, the information itself has that "I'm just sayin'..." quality to it. Like, fuck those guys, and they would absolutely do shitty things with that information of liberals or whatever, BUT, I don't just want to toilet bowl down a never ending circle of shittiness.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:18 pm

No State Here wrote:So what are potential criminal charges that doxxing could face? Incitement to violence? Harassment?


doxxing is, itself, illegal in some states.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:19 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:You don't have to feel sorry for people, but the doxxing is potentially going to threaten many innocent people, especially those who went through the whole "verification" thing


I don't support doxxing as a method. But if they were on Parler, the odds are extremely high they're no one I'd feel sorry for.

I feel as if that's a roundabout way of saying you do support doxxing, but only against the "correct" people...
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