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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:32 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:The fact that this has bore out and remains resisted by so-called fiscal conservatives proves it's not about fiscal responsibility and more about fuck the poors.

Well it’s some fiscal conservatives, and the reasons are certainly not just hating the poor, that’s a bit of a strawman


At least some of it is the cloying grip of the Protestant work ethic, whereby the homeless just getting housing is "unjust." Even if just getting housing makes subsequent employment (which is to say, work) significantly more likely. and even if not doing so means way higher public spending on police and emergency medical services, which then deprives the greater number of taxpayers of more of the product of their work.
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Gravlen wrote:I've been amused by the fact that several people have been identified by their (disgruntled) ex'es :lol:

What sucks, I'm a bald white dude with a long goatee. I even sometimes wear quasi/faux military (no camo, I have fucking dignity, but being colorblind I like olive green and brown and can't really tell the difference) stuff because when I work on sets it's both durable and functional but now I look like a goddamn capitol building rioter. I haven't been outside since Wednesday.

Well, it's the time for facemasks, so wouldn't you be able to put on a Hawaii- nevermind, that makes you look like a Boogaloo Boi... A trenchc- no, that's a school shooter. Hmm... A white shirt - no, cosplaying "Falling Down".

Go naked apart from a facemask? :unsure:
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:32 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The fact that this has bore out and remains resisted by so-called fiscal conservatives proves it's not about fiscal responsibility and more about fuck the poors.

Well it’s some fiscal conservatives, and the reasons are certainly not just hating the poor, that’s a bit of a strawman

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:33 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:What sucks, I'm a bald white dude with a long goatee. I even sometimes wear quasi/faux military (no camo, I have fucking dignity, but being colorblind I like olive green and brown and can't really tell the difference) stuff because when I work on sets it's both durable and functional but now I look like a goddamn capitol building rioter. I haven't been outside since Wednesday.

Well, it's the time for facemasks, so wouldn't you be able to put on a Hawaii- nevermind, that makes you look like a Boogaloo Boi... A trenchc- no, that's a school shooter. Hmm... A white shirt - no, cosplaying "Falling Down".

Go naked apart from a facemask? :unsure:

I was just thinking that my only other coat is a flannel...
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:34 pm

Merkel just said the Twitter bans were problematic

I believe that makes four world leaders?
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:35 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Merkel just said the Twitter bans were problematic

I believe that makes four world leaders?

It isn't good.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:36 pm

Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Well it’s some fiscal conservatives, and the reasons are certainly not just hating the poor, that’s a bit of a strawman


At least some of it is the cloying grip of the Protestant work ethic, whereby the homeless just getting housing is "unjust." Even if just getting housing makes subsequent employment (which is to say, work) significantly more likely. and even if not doing so means way higher public spending on police and emergency medical services, which then deprives the greater number of taxpayers of more of the product of their work.

Yeah, but that's really just a long winded way of saying 'fuck the poors.' Moralizing how they are lifted out of poverty to the point where you ignore an effective and cost efficient way to insist they do it in a manner stacked against them, no matter how you dress it up, is 'fuck the poors.' That they would do it while holding a cross is extra shitty because I'm pretty sure Jesus would be down with just giving them a fucking place to live.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:36 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Merkel just said the Twitter bans were problematic

I believe that makes four world leaders?

It isn't good.

I'm super conflicted. On the one hand, social media companies have way too much power now, but that power was largely accelerated thanks to Donald Trump eschewing other means of media in favor of social media and the president being kind of important.

But ACLU has come out against it, and they have solid reasons for saying so.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:36 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Merkel just said the Twitter bans were problematic

I believe that makes four world leaders?


Whether you support or oppose the ban, just know that twitter did this for themselves. They didn't do this out of altruism or civic duty.
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:37 pm

I also remind y'all the twitter bans legitimises the narrative of the far-right that they are oppressed or being censored by the Deep StateTM, which is not a good thing by any means.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:37 pm

Agarntrop wrote:I also remind y'all the twitter bans legitimises the narrative of the far-right that they are oppressed or being censored by the Deep StateTM, which is not a good thing by any means.


There's no good ending to this story.
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Postby Esternial » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:38 pm

Evacillian wrote:The Chinese: This is too easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys9m37cbxXU

Thoughts?

Ignoring all relevant context and notable differences on the sides and going straight for that nondescript low-hanging fruit in the middle of the room.

Seems like the Chinese that came up with this feat of mental gymnastics would fit right in here in NSG.

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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:38 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Merkel just said the Twitter bans were problematic

I believe that makes four world leaders?


"Seibert said that, while Twitter was right to flag Trump’s inaccurate tweets about the 2020 U.S. election, banning his account altogether was a step too far. He added that governments, not private companies, should decide on any limitations to freedom of speech."

So it's not really about the value of free speech, so much as it about the state not wanting the competition.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:38 pm

Galloism wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:It isn't good.

I'm super conflicted. On the one hand, social media companies have way too much power now, but that power was largely accelerated thanks to Donald Trump eschewing other means of media in favor of social media and the president being kind of important.

But ACLU has come out against it, and they have solid reasons for saying so.

Just gonna repost this so y’all don’t have to hunt down what the ACLU said
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:39 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:I have a fantasy, and I know it won't happen, but it's a pleasant little dream that corporate America finds political donations too problematic and they all pull out, starving political campaigns and driving them towards campaign finance reforms that takes money out of elections.

There's no world where we get there from here, but you know...sometimes it's nice to dream.

Don't worry, I'm sure even less savory but equally well-moneyed interests will soon step in to make sure our politicians don't have to go on the dole

Goddamn, our policy being guided by people who sell gold coins and copper bracelets...
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:40 pm

Galloism wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:It isn't good.

I'm super conflicted. On the one hand, social media companies have way too much power now, but that power was largely accelerated thanks to Donald Trump eschewing other means of media in favor of social media and the president being kind of important.

But ACLU has come out against it, and they have solid reasons for saying so.

I think the true political power of social media was shown during the Arab Spring, where entire revolutions were organized online
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:40 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'm super conflicted. On the one hand, social media companies have way too much power now, but that power was largely accelerated thanks to Donald Trump eschewing other means of media in favor of social media and the president being kind of important.

But ACLU has come out against it, and they have solid reasons for saying so.

Just gonna repost this so y’all don’t have to hunt down what the ACLU said
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Social media companies are free to enforce their own policies as they see fit. They are private companies, not government organizations.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:40 pm

Agarntrop wrote:I also remind y'all the twitter bans legitimises the narrative of the far-right that they are oppressed or being censored by the Deep StateTM, which is not a good thing by any means.

And furthermore, it pushes them deeper into echo-chambers, which only makes things more extreme.

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Senkaku wrote:sorry were we supposed to take the giant unspoilered meme image with a weird non-iOS cry-laughing emoji as a credible source on this man's identity and family history


No, I can't verify it. But as a rule, I totally believe right-wing terrorists will snitch on their friends after 30 seconds in the interrogation room because they have no sense of solidarity.

And I totally believe left-wing LARPers will worship the corporate boot as long as it sometimes steps down harder on the people they don't like. I know this to be true because I saw a smuggie mocking the people that do that.
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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:43 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'm super conflicted. On the one hand, social media companies have way too much power now, but that power was largely accelerated thanks to Donald Trump eschewing other means of media in favor of social media and the president being kind of important.

But ACLU has come out against it, and they have solid reasons for saying so.

Just gonna repost this so y’all don’t have to hunt down what the ACLU said
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The ACLU is in a difficult position. It supported Citizens United v. FEC the decision of which relies on the notion that corporations like Twitter/Amazon/Google possess the rights of free association and speech. I sort of feel like the ACLU helped give companies like that the "unchecked power" that is now so very scary.

Although to be fair, I understand that ACLU's stance on Citizens was internally controversial.

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Postby Esternial » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:45 pm

Proctopeo wrote:And I totally believe left-wing LARPers will worship the corporate boot as long as it sometimes steps down harder on the people they don't like. I know this to be true because I saw a smuggie mocking the people that do that.

Unfortunately this is behavior you find on all sides of the political spectrum. This isn't one particular group's signature move.

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:46 pm

Esternial wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:And I totally believe left-wing LARPers will worship the corporate boot as long as it sometimes steps down harder on the people they don't like. I know this to be true because I saw a smuggie mocking the people that do that.

Unfortunately this is behavior you find on all sides of the political spectrum. This isn't one particular group's signature move.

That is true. It's just more glaring when they're people who claim to want to destroy corporations and eat their leadership.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:47 pm

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Senkaku wrote:sorry were we supposed to take the giant unspoilered meme image with a weird non-iOS cry-laughing emoji as a credible source on this man's identity and family history


No, I can't verify it. But as a rule, I totally believe right-wing terrorists will snitch on their friends after 30 seconds in the interrogation room because they have no sense of solidarity.


I dont. I believe these guys are willing to accept everything including death, considering how some of them gave their lives on the 6th of the month
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