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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:58 am

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I guess the edge case to look at here would be things like that "war" between Berwick-upon-Tweed and Russia. If we ignore concerns about it being apocryphal, it seems pretty clear to me that Russia attacking Berwick-upon-Tweed decades after the end of the Crimean war just because they were technically still at war would be thoroughly unjustified.

Or the Isles of Scily v the Netherlands


It turns out, there's actually a ridiculous number of these (the Scilly Isles don't work, because it's the Dutch that declared the war). Montenegro-Japan seems pretty inarguable: Montenegro declared the war (purely to symbolically support Russia), no combat ever happened (on account of Montenegro, you know, not having a navy, and also temporarily not existing in the middle). I doubt you'd find many people arguing that Japan had every right to invade the newly-independent Montenegro in the month between Montenegran independence and the end of the "war".
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:58 am

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Nope. Crossing the border illegally is, but the majority of illegal immigrants did not do that: they entered legally, then overstayed their visas.

Which is why there needs to be better tracking so people with overstayed visas are held accountable and promptly deported


All that effort and invasive technology and for what? A civil offense? Why? Why does it matter so much?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:59 am

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It's not what you think it is.



And before the outrage comes, the US is doing it as well. in Afghanistan. right now as we speak.

The CIA Is Running Death Squads in Afghanistan

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afg ... ike-force/


So much for "Demakracy"


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Postby -Astoria- » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:00 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
I guess the edge case to look at here would be things like that "war" between Berwick-upon-Tweed and Russia. If we ignore concerns about it being apocryphal, it seems pretty clear to me that Russia attacking Berwick-upon-Tweed decades after the end of the Crimean war just because they were technically still at war would be thoroughly unjustified.

Or the Isles of Scilly v the Netherlands

FTFY.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:01 pm

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It's fundamentally impossible to be wrong for fighting Fascists. It is a moral imperative to attack and destroy Fascism wherever it appears.


One could say the same for communists (and LBJ felt that way). Should we invade the PRC, North Korea, and Vietnam to 'liberate' the 'oppressed' people there?


Oh, here we go. The classic "But Communism is literally just as bad as Fascism!" defense that every cryptofascist who swears upon God in Heaven that they aren't a Fascist uses to deflect attention from how awful Fascism is because it upsets their cryptofascist feefees.

The goalposts from here on out are being nailed into the fucking ground, buckaroo. Miss me with that sleight-of-hand shit.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:03 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
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"but muh sovereignty"

Which was forfeited the moment the trains started going to Treblinka.


North Korea is treating citizens there cruelly. Why aren't nations liberating people there? What about the USSR under Stalin? I guess communists get a free pass when it comes to murdering their own people. When should the world intervene and when should it sit by and watch under your standards?

If a nation is killings its own people and not attacking other nations, we can scold them but we shouldn't invade them (as sad as it is to know it is happening). National sovereignty has to be respected.
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Postby Atheris » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:04 pm

-Astoria- wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Or the Isles of Scilly v the Netherlands

FTFY.

From Ushant to Scilly, 'tis 34 leagues!

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Postby Asherahan » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:09 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Which was forfeited the moment the trains started going to Treblinka.


North Korea is treating citizens there cruelly. Why aren't nations liberating people there? What about the USSR under Stalin? I guess communists get a free pass when it comes to murdering their own people. When should the world intervene and when should it sit by and watch under your standards?

If a nation is killings its own people and not attacking other nations, we can scold them but we shouldn't invade them (as sad as it is to know it is happening). National sovereignty has to be respected.

FR do you understand the concept of Hard Political Power and Soft Political Power?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:10 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Illegal immigration is a crime under US Code bro.


Nope. Crossing the border illegally is, but the majority of illegal immigrants did not do that: they entered legally, then overstayed their visas.


In this case, we could fine them X amount of dollars per day they overstayed and imprison them if they can't pay the fine. If they worked illegally, we could imprison them (and the guy that hired them unless he was given fake documents by the illegal worker and didn't know the worker was illegal). If they overstay the visa by more than a couple months, it should mean jail time.

The laws need to change.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:12 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
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ICE exists for THIS? We have a militarized police force to deal with a civil infraction?


No, ICE exists to keep Mexicans out of America and make white nationalists feel safer.


Not all illegal immigrants are Mexican. You are stretching things A LOT. Why does wanting immigration laws enforced make one racist? I would put illegal Russian, Chinese, and French immigrants in the prison camp as well.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:12 pm

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:13 pm

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I am not a Nazi (not all people with Prussian ancestry are Nazi supporters) and several countries were justified in fighting them because Germany attacked first. Czechoslovakia, Poland, the USSR, the UK, France, and a few others were all justified. The USA should have prepared their defenses and waited to be 'invited' into the war once Germany attacked.

We did.


I meant 'invited' once they threw the first punch, not the first words.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:14 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote: I would put illegal Russian, Chinese, and French immigrants in the prison camp as well.

Somehow I don't think this comes out sounding as good as you think it does.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:15 pm

Kowani wrote:snip


If he wants to go to SCOTUS with this, I say let him. There's nothing unconstitutional about it.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:16 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
No, ICE exists to keep Mexicans out of America and make white nationalists feel safer.


Not all illegal immigrants are Mexican. You are stretching things A LOT. Why does wanting immigration laws enforced make one racist? I would put illegal Russian, Chinese, and French immigrants in the prison camp as well.


There's nothing wrong with wanting illegal immigration laws enforced.

But ICE is still a steaming pile of putrid dogshit.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:17 pm

read your own damn sources
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Postby Asherahan » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:20 pm

Kowani wrote:(Image)
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I am not even American and I want to retort with a host of expletives at this blatant paper full of hypocricy.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:29 pm


Ok, I don't like pelosi, but what did she have to do with it?

This doesn't follow at all.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:30 pm

Asherahan wrote:
Kowani wrote:(Image)
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I am not even American and I want to retort with a host of expletives at this blatant paper full of hypocricy.


If you're living in a NATO country that isn't france you are an american by proxy or a vassal at least.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:32 pm

read your own damn sources
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:35 pm


You know, in Mexico, the police bribes level up. When you give the police a bribe not to run you in, part of that goes to their boss, then part of that goes to the boss's boss, and part of that the boss's boss's boss...

I'm just saying, bribes are sometimes pyramid schemes.

Food for thought.
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Postby Asherahan » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:35 pm

Nakena wrote:
Asherahan wrote:I am not even American and I want to retort with a host of expletives at this blatant paper full of hypocricy.


If you're living in a NATO country that isn't france you are an american by proxy or a vassal at least.

Oh I already know that. Still ain't an American no matter the Vassal status my country has to the overlord state of the USA.

Still this bitch is cray cray. Healing n shit when Trump only divided for the last 4 years.

Freaking Hilarious.
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Postby Zurkerx » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:36 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Kowani wrote:snip


If he wants to go to SCOTUS with this, I say let him. There's nothing unconstitutional about it.


Lindsay Graham is really shilling hard for Trump, isn't he? Trump's World must have some real dirt on him, especially since he's saying he expects Democrats to attempt "the most aggressive socialized policy effort in the history of the country"- and this was a guy that was Biden's friend. I'm pretty sure Biden doesn't recognize him anymore.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:36 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
If he wants to go to SCOTUS with this, I say let him. There's nothing unconstitutional about it.


Lindsay Graham is really shilling hard for Trump, isn't he? Trump's World must have some real dirt on him, especially since he's saying he expects Democrats to attempt "the most aggressive socialized policy effort in the history of the country"- and this was a guy that was Biden's friend. I'm pretty sure Biden doesn't recognize him anymore.

I've been doing a lot of "what the hell happened to you" takes recently.
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