American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Freiheit Reich]

"No see it's not cruel because other people have been crueler so their cruelty nullifies my own. Now get back to work, slave prisoner, or I'll beat cane you again."

At the same time, some of these nordic prisons are almost worth the price of admission considering their amenities

They are a bit too nice to their criminals. I believe in being humane but not treating them better than poor people are being treated. It is possibly better to be a prisoner in Norway than a lower-class American in Detroit or LA or another one of our fine third-world American cities.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Some random person isn't a country. If the actual government of Afghanistan declared actual war on the US, then the US would be perfectly justified in attacking them.

That's what declarations of war are literally for.

Your idea makes it too easy to go to war. There is a difference between a few words and actual action. Perhaps a minister got excited and made a declaration of war but while the govt. was preparing to attack, they realized it would be a bad idea.

Also, did the govt. of Iraq or Afghanistan make an official declaration of war against the USA? How about Libya, Syria, or Yemen? We attacked people in those countries and used the tired 'war on terrorism' argument.

One could easily argue that Americans are also terrorists. How do you think Iraqis felt about being attacked? How about people in Serbia (including Chinese people killed at the US embassy there)? There is a reason Americans are so hated around the world and it is for more than just the lousy pop music, gas guzzling SUVs, and unhealthy junk food we exported to other places.

Bro seriously stop with the strawmans and false equivalences. Holy shit.

[Dogmeat]

Some random person isn't a country. If the actual government of Afghanistan declared actual war on the US, then the US would be perfectly justified in attacking them.

That's what declarations of war are literally for.

Your idea makes it too easy to go to war.

No it doesn't. Show me how many times the government of, say, Yemen has formally declared war on the United States. If we had waited for a formal declaration of war, we wouldn't be involved there.

[Esalia]

At the same time, some of these nordic prisons are almost worth the price of admission considering their amenities

They are a bit too nice to their criminals. I believe in being humane but not treating them better than poor people are being treated. It is possibly better to be a prisoner in Norway than a lower-class American in Detroit or LA or another one of our fine third-world American cities.

Sounds like a good reason to raise the quality of life of the lower classes then.

[Senkaku]

At the same time, some of these nordic prisons are almost worth the price of admission considering their amenities

They are a bit too nice to their criminals. I believe in being humane but not treating them better than poor people are being treated. It is possibly better to be a prisoner in Norway than a lower-class American in Detroit or LA or another one of our fine third-world American cities.

That is an indictment of the appalling conditions we let free and innocent people live in, not a black mark against Norwegian prisons.

We don't have to send private ships to international waters. Also, if they attack a US navy ship, then we have the right to attack them. If they attack a private ship in international waters it is a bit trickier. Perhaps we could just attack five or ten of their ships and then call it even with no need for war. We will even tell them ahead of time that it is a tit-for-tat attack and after we attack X number of ships, we will be even. If they attack another private ship, we will attack 5-10 of their ships again. We will also warn them that if they attack a military ship, it is justification for war.

"call it even with no need for war"

Yeah, I bet if the US Navy had just sank ten Nazi Kriegsmarine vessels then Hitler would have considered it even.

Famously a man who did not hold grudges.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

We don't have to send private ships to international waters. Also, if they attack a US navy ship, then we have the right to attack them. If they attack a private ship in international waters it is a bit trickier. Perhaps we could just attack five or ten of their ships and then call it even with no need for war. We will even tell them ahead of time that it is a tit-for-tat attack and after we attack X number of ships, we will be even. If they attack another private ship, we will attack 5-10 of their ships again. We will also warn them that if they attack a military ship, it is justification for war.

"call it even with no need for war"

Yeah, I bet if the US Navy had just sank ten Nazi Kriegsmarine vessels then Hitler would have considered it even.

"We sunk one of your subs for every one of our ships sunk."

"Oh wow, you really showed me. I guess I'll sue for peace then and stop attacking you. GG, guys."

[Omniabstracta]

Some random person isn't a country. If the actual government of Afghanistan declared actual war on the US, then the US would be perfectly justified in attacking them.

That's what declarations of war are literally for.

Your idea makes it too easy to go to war. There is a difference between a few words and actual action. Perhaps a minister got excited and made a declaration of war but while the govt. was preparing to attack, they realized it would be a bad idea.

Also, did the govt. of Iraq or Afghanistan make an official declaration of war against the USA? How about Libya, Syria, or Yemen? We attacked people in those countries and used the tired 'war on terrorism' argument.

One could easily argue that Americans are also terrorists. How do you think Iraqis felt about being attacked? How about people in Serbia (including Chinese people killed at the US embassy there)? There is a reason Americans are so hated around the world and it is for more than just the lousy pop music, gas guzzling SUVs, and unhealthy junk food we exported to other places.

That’s not how a declaration of war works. A declaration of war is a formal action, transmitted and signed through a long chain of command and through the formal ambassadorial channels between two nations.

A guy doesn’t just get up one day and “declare war” by saying so any more than you “declare bankruptcy” by getting up on a rooftop and shouting about it. A formal declaration of war, like the kind Germany made, is not something one rogue minister can do by accident or out of passion, or just “a few words,” or whatever else you seem to think it is.

[Adamede]

Japan attacked the US, the US declared war on Japan, Germany declared war on the US.

They can declare war (as Germany did) but until they physically attack us, we have no right to attack them.

The current attacks in the Middle East are also not justified because they are not attacking the USA. I am curious if Biden will be another murderer as Bush (both of them), Clinton, Reagan, Obama, and Trump have been or will Biden be better and be a man of peace that only attacks with proper cause (being attacked first).

I hope Biden gets us out of NATO as well. We need a strong border defense but it is time to bring the troops home and reduce the size of the military. Are democrats the party of peace or not??

If a state declares war upon another state, you are at war. You do not need to wait for a nation you are at war with to strike you before you can attack them in turn.

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard today.

[Dogmeat]

They are a bit too nice to their criminals. I believe in being humane but not treating them better than poor people are being treated. It is possibly better to be a prisoner in Norway than a lower-class American in Detroit or LA or another one of our fine third-world American cities.

That is an indictment of the appalling conditions we let free and innocent people live in, not a black mark against Norwegian prisons.

"call it even with no need for war"

Yeah, I bet if the US Navy had just sank ten Nazi Kriegsmarine vessels then Hitler would have considered it even.

Famously a man who did not hold grudges.

Also, famously, a man who was very restrained when it came to warfare. And never started anything without just cause. We could learn a lot from Freiheit's idols about how to conduct ourselves with calm, cool consideration. And avoid unnecessary conflict.

[Freiheit Reich]

We don't have to send private ships to international waters. Also, if they attack a US navy ship, then we have the right to attack them. If they attack a private ship in international waters it is a bit trickier. Perhaps we could just attack five or ten of their ships and then call it even with no need for war. We will even tell them ahead of time that it is a tit-for-tat attack and after we attack X number of ships, we will be even. If they attack another private ship, we will attack 5-10 of their ships again. We will also warn them that if they attack a military ship, it is justification for war.

"call it even with no need for war"

Yeah, I bet if the US Navy had just sank ten Nazi Kriegsmarine vessels then Hitler would have considered it even.

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If anybody ever forfeited their national sovereignty in the 20th century it was the Nazis.

[Esalia]

Some random person isn't a country. If the actual government of Afghanistan declared actual war on the US, then the US would be perfectly justified in attacking them.

That's what declarations of war are literally for.

Your idea makes it too easy to go to war. There is a difference between a few words and actual action. Perhaps a minister got excited and made a declaration of war but while the govt. was preparing to attack, they realized it would be a bad idea.

If you think "if they officially declare war, it's fair game to invade them" too easy of a standard, I have to wonder how you define easy.

I can't recall a war where some random minister said "we're gonna invade you!" and the two countries involved went "welp, guess we have to fight now!".

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

"call it even with no need for war"

Yeah, I bet if the US Navy had just sank ten Nazi Kriegsmarine vessels then Hitler would have considered it even.

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

It's amazing how you utterly fail to understand the concept of war.

[Salandriagado]

Illegal immigrants are criminals.

That's just not true: most have committed only a civil offence.

[Atheris]

"call it even with no need for war"

Yeah, I bet if the US Navy had just sank ten Nazi Kriegsmarine vessels then Hitler would have considered it even.

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

Honestly flabbergasted.

[Omniabstracta]

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

Honestly flabbergasted.

This is your brain on the NAP.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Illegal immigrants are criminals.

That's just not true: most have committed only a civil offence.

Illegal immigration is a crime under US Code bro.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Mfw you see literal banditry being rewarded by the Germans on the Eastern Front and go "let's not go to war with these outlaws".

[Dogmeat]

"call it even with no need for war"

Yeah, I bet if the US Navy had just sank ten Nazi Kriegsmarine vessels then Hitler would have considered it even.

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

[Atheris]

Honestly flabbergasted.

This is your brain on the NAP.

So you're telling me that my brain on the NAP is a healthy nutritious breakfast that makes my brain grow? ...Shit, I should become an ancap!

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

It was a literal country of thieves and bandits and yet we have "let's have peace with these guys".

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

It's fundamentally impossible to be wrong for fighting Fascists. It is a moral imperative to attack and destroy Fascism wherever it appears.

[Agarntrop]

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

Oh so the guy who wants to run a ripoff Auschwitz is also a nazi? Imagine my shock.

[Andsed]

If a nation officially declares war on your nation then your in a state of war. If your in a state of war meaning the declarer has stated they intend to attack you(whether or not that is feasible is not really relevant) meaning you have every right to fight back. The US was well within its right to attack Germany after it declared war.

[Salandriagado]

At the same time, some of these nordic prisons are almost worth the price of admission considering their amenities

They are a bit too nice to their criminals. I believe in being humane but not treating them better than poor people are being treated. It is possibly better to be a prisoner in Norway than a lower-class American in Detroit or LA or another one of our fine third-world American cities.

The fact that you see this as a problem with Norway, rather than a problem with America, is the fundamental flaw in your position.

Also:

I believe in being humane

Don't fucking lie.