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Postby Asherahan » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:08 am

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:This is going to be a long decade...

Don't cry because it's happening, cry because there's a good chance it will end much sooner than you think.

That sounds ominous as fuck.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:26 am

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Phoenicaea wrote:i bet ‘senate will vote him guilty’, a regiment will come to dislodge him. regarding _freiehct reich, best accusations for his argument is prussian flag. prussia is not third reich relative.

i feel most of the national-socialist reminescence is based on the historically false assimilation of prussian militarism with genocide speech. that is not so swift. prussians were ferocious, not delirious.

"I bet the Senate will find him guilty, a military unit will come to remove him. Regarding Freiheit Reich, the most relevant thing for his argument is the Prussian flag [lthough] Prussia is not related to the Third Reich"

"I feel as though a lot of the National Socialist (Nazi) memorabilia is based on the historically false association of Prussian militarism with genocidal rhetoric. But not so fast. Prussians were ferocious, not delusional"

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English isn't their first language. I think, Greek?

Italian, i believe, they've mentioned it before


1. That's very good editing. I'm not so sure about "regiment" after all: it could be a back-construction from "regimented" and intended to mean "troops that are still loyal".

"Assimilation" implies Prussian militarism coming before the genocidal element of Nazism: there might be something there not fully rendered by "association". Maybe:
"historically false parallel of prussian militarism with genocide rhetoric".

"Prussians were ferocious, not delirious" is a gem of a sentence. I don't know enough about historical Prussia to vouch for the meaning, though.

2. Sometimes it is hard. But as I say, I've learned good words from Phoenicaea.

3. Well they're all a bad lot, but at least Italians don't boil their coffee :D
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:34 am

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Senkaku wrote:Don't cry because it's happening, cry because there's a good chance it will end much sooner than you think.

That sounds ominous as fuck.


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:41 am

Nice to see Biden is planning to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement.
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Postby Agarntrop » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:42 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Nice to see Biden is planning to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement.

Indeed
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:43 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Nice to see Biden is planning to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement.


I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.

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Postby Agarntrop » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:44 am

Nakena wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Nice to see Biden is planning to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement.


I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.

Why do you have a cult-like worship for a man that mistreats his workers?
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Postby Picairn » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:45 am

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:REPUBLICAN politician has portrait of Mao Zedong, wtf

EDIT: Whoops, turns out he was a Democrat, that just makes it worse

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I have an actually commissioned portrait of Che. And?

Don't let Karelia know I have a portrait of Ho Chi Minh in my house, lol.
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Postby Picairn » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:48 am

Nakena wrote:I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.

Or we can apply cap-and-trade, or a carbon tax, on CO2 output of corporations. It is very effective as well.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:49 am

Nakena wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Nice to see Biden is planning to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement.


I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.


A lot of Americans seem to think that. But it could be a historical mistake. About half of the solar panels sold in the US are from China, but that's not necessarily bad. Half empty, half full.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:50 am

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That is an exaggeration. I said they should be put in humane labor camps (40-50 hours a week of work) and given some pay (maybe $1-2 a day), caned (safely), and deported. I said the sentence should be short (6 months for first offense and 1 year for further offenses). They are criminals. I favor labor camps and canings for most other criminals as well (but illegal immigrants can be kept separate-illegal immigration is a minor offense). Do you say the US 'enslaves' thieves? Illegal immigrants are criminals.

Sadly, most politicians don't actually want to be that tough on illegal immigration. Even Trump was too soft in my idea and that is why caravans keep forming. They know the US just plays games.

what the fuck did i just read


A pro-slavery argument.

Disturbing, wasn't it?
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:53 am

Picairn wrote:
Nakena wrote:I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.

Or we can apply cap-and-trade, or a carbon tax, on CO2 output of corporations. It is very effective as well.


At the right frequency, it should be possible to "see" CO2 in the atmosphere. With a satellite that could make a carbon tax easy to assess. I call it the Taxellite. Industry and primary producers won't complain about the paperwork, because there won't be any!
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:54 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.

Why do you have a cult-like worship for a man that mistreats his workers?


I don't have a cult like worship. He's a dick but he gets stuff done and keeps pushing for more. Apparently NASA hasn't been able to get it's shit together for 25+ years now.

Look, we will very soon have a massive rocket that will be even bigger and stronger than the legendary Saturn V. The Super Heavy Starship. Its quite impressive. (2nd one here in comparisation)

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:57 am

Senkaku wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:This is going to be a long decade...

Don't cry because it's happening, cry because there's a good chance it will end much sooner than you think.


What will? :shock:
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:57 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The United Confederacy of Texas wrote:what the fuck did i just read


A pro-slavery argument.

Disturbing, wasn't it?


I would question some of the details, but I know better. ;)
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:02 am

Picairn wrote:
Nakena wrote:I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.

Or we can apply cap-and-trade, or a carbon tax, on CO2 output of corporations. It is very effective as well.


Those proposals are complete nonsense. None of that does really anything. If people will keep buying into that then there will be very serious problems in a couple of years. I don't care. I enjoy the climate change.

You need new technologies that phase out fossil fuel production that is mostly responsible for CO2 output.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:04 am

Nakena wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Nice to see Biden is planning to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement.


I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.


Passenger vehicles only make up about 17% of the USs GHG emissions. Even a complete change to electric cars wouldn't be a huge dent on GHG emissions because the US also is heavily reliant on gas for generating the electricity. This also ignores making cars has its own carbon footprint, and other environmental side effects, such that it is generally better to just keep driving a car you already have than to buy a new electric one when it comes to environmental damage.

But anyhow, getting back in the Paris Climate Agreement won't hurt anything.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:04 am

Nakena wrote:
Picairn wrote:Or we can apply cap-and-trade, or a carbon tax, on CO2 output of corporations. It is very effective as well.


Those proposals are complete nonsense. None of that does really anything. If people will keep buying into that then there will be very serious problems in a couple of years. I don't care. I enjoy the climate change.

You need new technologies that phase out fossil fuel production that is mostly responsible for CO2 output.


We don't even need new technology, just a willingness to work with what we already have. This "wait-and-see" mentality is costly.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:04 am

Nakena wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Why do you have a cult-like worship for a man that mistreats his workers?


I don't have a cult like worship. He's a dick but he gets stuff done and keeps pushing for more. Apparently NASA hasn't been able to get it's shit together for 25+ years now.

Look, we will very soon have a massive rocket that will be even bigger and stronger than the legendary Saturn V. The Super Heavy Starship. Its quite impressive.

Image


NASA has been doing a ton of science. Space Telescopes for instance. But they don't just get to spend money on whatever they like, and the booster program has been running on a shoestring.

Elon Musk isn't a miracle worker. He's just a guy with a lot of money to spend (and not just his own of course). I wouldn't be surprised to discover he's a modern version of Edison: using his reputation to build the business (legit) but claiming innovations as his own (ie exploiting the intellectual property of his designers).
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:07 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.


Passenger vehicles only make up about 17% of the USs GHG emissions. Even a complete change to electric cars wouldn't be a huge dent on GHG emissions because the US also is heavily reliant on gas for generating the electricity. This also ignores making cars has its own carbon footprint, and other environmental side effects, such that it is generally better to just keep driving a car you already have than to buy a new electric one when it comes to environmental damage.

But anyhow, getting back in the Paris Climate Agreement won't hurt anything.


The production of lithium batteries is terribly bad for the environment, with increased demand for lithium mining and assembly being very carbon positive.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:08 am

A-Series-Of-Tubes wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I don't have a cult like worship. He's a dick but he gets stuff done and keeps pushing for more. Apparently NASA hasn't been able to get it's shit together for 25+ years now.

Look, we will very soon have a massive rocket that will be even bigger and stronger than the legendary Saturn V. The Super Heavy Starship. Its quite impressive.

Image


NASA has been doing a ton of science. Space Telescopes for instance. But they don't just get to spend money on whatever they like, and the booster program has been running on a shoestring.

Elon Musk isn't a miracle worker. He's just a guy with a lot of money to spend (and not just his own of course). I wouldn't be surprised to discover he's a modern version of Edison: using his reputation to build the business (legit) but claiming innovations as his own (ie exploiting the intellectual property of his designers).


I mean, obviously part of Tesla and SpaceX is a patent farm. What did you think? That Elon Musk is some kind of engineer or physicist?

Nah, he employs people to design and build his stuff. He's just a businessman, who exploits intellectual labor as well as physical labor.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:09 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I do not believe it's going to make much of a difference. Unless new technologies like Elon Musk's tesla cars or even better hydrogen cars and so on are introduced on a mass-production level the CO2 output wont be remarkably reduced.


Passenger vehicles only make up about 17% of the USs GHG emissions. Even a complete change to electric cars wouldn't be a huge dent on GHG emissions because the US also is heavily reliant on gas for generating the electricity. This also ignores making cars has its own carbon footprint, and other environmental side effects, such that it is generally better to just keep driving a car you already have than to buy a new electric one when it comes to environmental damage.

But anyhow, getting back in the Paris Climate Agreement won't hurt anything.


Thats why I cited it as an example. Despite I believe the future is in hydrogen powered cars. Not electric ones. Altough I must say Musk has quite developed them. I didn ever would have believed they would get that advanced.

In the long run fusion power is needed, until that nuclear power and as well geothermal and other innovative means of power generations could be used. In the end it is all about energy efficiency, how much imput you need for output. Like burning wood isnt very efficient. etc.

People mistakingly believe they make some treaties and carbon taxes, regulations and a few other self-deluding tricks and they are done. It's the same nonsense kind of bullshit thinking that led to the covid-19 pandemic run rampant in western nation. "Look we are doing something" even when it doesnt means jackshit.

This works with democratic election and public perception, because humans are good at deluding themselfs and others. But when confronted with stuffs like Covid or CO2 it wont do anything.

It's not surprising such "doing something" ideas are popular in the west as this was the way things were done for a very long time and people have completly adopted mentally to that way of thinking and acting.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:10 am

Nakena wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Passenger vehicles only make up about 17% of the USs GHG emissions. Even a complete change to electric cars wouldn't be a huge dent on GHG emissions because the US also is heavily reliant on gas for generating the electricity. This also ignores making cars has its own carbon footprint, and other environmental side effects, such that it is generally better to just keep driving a car you already have than to buy a new electric one when it comes to environmental damage.

But anyhow, getting back in the Paris Climate Agreement won't hurt anything.


People mistakingly believe they make some treaties and carbon taxes, regulations and a few other self-deluding tricks and they are done. It's the same nonsense kind of bullshit thinking that led to the covid-19 pandemic run rampant in western nation. "Look we are doing something" even when it doesnt means jackshit. This works with democratic election and public perception, because humans are good at deluding themselfs and others. But when confronted with stuffs like Covid or CO2 it wont do anything.


Show me an environmentalist who looked at the Paris Accords and said "yeah we're done"

No, that exists exclusively in political space and in your warped and highly negative perception of humanity.
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Postby A-Series-Of-Tubes » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:11 am

Nakena wrote:
Picairn wrote:Or we can apply cap-and-trade, or a carbon tax, on CO2 output of corporations. It is very effective as well.


Those proposals are complete nonsense. None of that does really anything. If people will keep buying into that then there will be very serious problems in a couple of years. I don't care. I enjoy the climate change.


A minority of people may benefit from climate change. But a majority would rather do something to slow it down, stop it, or reverse it.

And you know what happens when a minority insists on having everything their way, don't you?


You need new technologies that phase out fossil fuel production that is mostly responsible for CO2 output.


Why? You don't care about climate change, in fact you say you like it. Why not phase out fossil fuels AFTER we've dug them all up and burned them?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:17 am

Valrifell wrote:We don't even need new technology, just a willingness to work with what we already have. This "wait-and-see" mentality is costly.


Which ones you have in mind?

Valrifell wrote:Show me an environmentalist who looked at the Paris Accords and said "yeah we're done"

No, that exists exclusively in political space and in your warped and highly negative perception of humanity.


Whats an environmentalist? Like someone who seriously is studying the matter etc?

Of course they won't say that. Because they do know. But your average voter or person with a five minute attention span will do so. Which is really the most. "yaaaay we rejoined paris climate accord" clap clap clap.

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