American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Nakena]

I don't get why half the thread keeps jumping this nonsense and feeding it for pages.

Do you have anything better to do?

Responding to those who are worthy.

[The Holy Therns]

This is not censorship. This is cessation of support. Those are two very different concepts.

I would point out corporations being the supporters of politicians in such a way that this is a celebratory moment is indicative of a deeper problem (something something publicly funded elections, pass “kill citizens United” amendment, rabble rouse rabble rouse).

Oh I find this system absolutely abhorrent, don't get me wrong.

[Andsed]

Oh no I totally agree. Corporations using their wealth to lobby and influence politicians is concerning. Lobbying needs to be heavily restricted if not outright banned. Its just that I dont think is really true to call refusing to make political donations censorship.

I mean, in the past week corporations also completely shut down essentially an entire political party just by shoving them off of media and then destroying whatever else they turned to in order to communicate. Not to mention completely silencing the elected President of the United States on said media.

It's easy to ok all that because it's Trump and Trumpers and they did something really bad. But they know they can do this now, how are you going to take this immense power away from them?

At this point? I dont think there is much we can do. Corporations have taken such a position in the US where they can practically do whatever they want with not much to stop them. Most measures against them will be killed because they have the ability to delude a big portion of the populace with their lies and propaganda. Welcome to capitalism! Were fucked!

[Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles]

Not quite. If money is speech, then me not giving my money is me choosing not to speak. Which is my 1st Amendment right.

The "censorship" claim is that by withdrawing political contributions from Republican politicians, Republican politicians are being censored. This is not the case, since my refusal to speak on your behalf does not, in itself, prevent you from speaking on your own, or finding new allies.

that is totally the case for pols on the dole, you know

i dunno if that was the case put out on citizens united, but that's how the gop has chosen to read it

The case in Citizens United was, if I understand correctly, about whether a corporation could run an ad within so many days of an election. As far as I know, whether any Republican politician would starve and die if the Court found against plantiff didn't really come into it, but I don't know for sure.

Speaking of people on the dole, though, if money shouldn't be speech then labor and their unions are pretty much up the creek too. But it still wouldn't be "censorship" if I didn't donate to my local Teamsters, because my ability to withhold political donations is my own 1st Amendment right.

edit: ib4 mandatory union dues, which are a different matter, as it's reasonable to compel those who benefit from collective bargaining to contribute to those specific activities. Anything beyond that requires my consent. Which it does.

[Kowani]

This is not censorship. This is cessation of support. Those are two very different concepts.

I would point out corporations being the supporters of politicians in such a way that this is a celebratory moment is indicative of a deeper problem (something something publicly funded elections, pass “kill citizens United” amendment, rabble rouse rabble rouse).

ironically, Biden had a plan for that

[Atheris]

I suppose you also don't believe Edward Snowden. The US govt. would never behave like the Soviet Union and spy on its citizens.

I never said that, O Weaver of Strawmen.

[Freiheit Reich]

Do you have anything better to do?

Responding to those who are worthy.

I suppose only liberals are worthy people.

[Celritannia]

Responding to those who are worthy.

I suppose only liberals are worthy people.

Define "liberal" and we shall see.

[Zurkerx]

Gina Haspel, Director of the CIA almost resigned over plan to install Kash Patel as CIA deputy. Patel is a loyalist to Trump and a former aide to Rep. Nunes. This was stopped thanks to VP Pence and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone.

So basically, Trump is appointing loyalists in hopes others would resign, or if they didn't, be fired. As much as Haspel is not that great, she did the right thing by not resigning. Interestingly enough, this line was in that MyPillow Guy's notes:

“Move Kash Patel to CIA Acting.”

[Nakena]

Gina Haspel, Director of the CIA almost resigned over plan to install Kash Patel as CIA deputy. Patel is a loyalist to Trump and a former aide to Rep. Nunes. This was stopped thanks to VP Pence and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone.

So basically, Trump is appointing loyalists in hopes others would resign, or if they didn't, be fired. As much as Haspel is not that great, she did the right thing by not resigning. Interestingly enough, this line was in that MyPillow Guy's notes:

“Move Kash Patel to CIA Acting.”

The plan might be to release classified information from the bush and obama years, which would harm the Biden administration and his neocon friendos.

[Salus Maior]

I mean, in the past week corporations also completely shut down essentially an entire political party just by shoving them off of media and then destroying whatever else they turned to in order to communicate. Not to mention completely silencing the elected President of the United States on said media.

It's easy to ok all that because it's Trump and Trumpers and they did something really bad. But they know they can do this now, how are you going to take this immense power away from them?

At this point? I dont think there is much we can do. Corporations have taken such a position in the US where they can practically do whatever they want with not much to stop them. Most measures against them will be killed because they have the ability to delude a big portion of the populace with their lies and propaganda. Welcome to capitalism! Were fucked!

I mean, when you control information and communication there's not much you can really do against it.

[Zurkerx]

Gina Haspel, Director of the CIA almost resigned over plan to install Kash Patel as CIA deputy. Patel is a loyalist to Trump and a former aide to Rep. Nunes. This was stopped thanks to VP Pence and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone.

So basically, Trump is appointing loyalists in hopes others would resign, or if they didn't, be fired. As much as Haspel is not that great, she did the right thing by not resigning. Interestingly enough, this line was in that MyPillow Guy's notes:

“Move Kash Patel to CIA Acting.”

The plan might be to release classified information from the bush and obama years, which would harm the Biden administration and his neocon friendos.

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

[San Lumen]

Mike Lindell confirms he met with Trump says he offered what he described as evidence of election fraud. Lindell says Trump told him to hand material to WH aides.


what the fuck is going on at the WH

Either Trump is about to walk out in shame or he's about to try something so drastic that it's going to shake this country forever.

What is he going to do? The military and secret service won’t go along with a coup.

[Celritannia]

The plan might be to release classified information from the bush and obama years, which would harm the Biden administration and his neocon friendos.

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

If he does that, wouldn't he break more federal laws, including the Espionage Act?

[Bombadil]

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

If he does that, wouldn't he break several federal laws, including the Espionage Act?

At this point does he care? He must be right, he cannot stand not being right.

[Omniabstracta]

Either Trump is about to walk out in shame or he's about to try something so drastic that it's going to shake this country forever.

What is he going to do? The military and secret service won’t go along with a coup.

Even trying something and being rebuffed by the top brass would shake this country forever.

[WayNeacTia]

The plan might be to release classified information from the bush and obama years, which would harm the Biden administration and his neocon friendos.

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

Insurrection isn't good enough anymore? Now he needs to upgrade to treason?

[Washington Resistance Army]

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

If he does that, wouldn't he break more federal laws, including the Espionage Act?

POTUS can declassify anything at any time for whatever reason afaik. It's one of the powers of the office.

[San Lumen]

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

If he does that, wouldn't he break more federal laws, including the Espionage Act?

I’m almost certain The president can declassify anything they want with zero consequences.

[Zurkerx]

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

If he does that, wouldn't he break more federal laws, including the Espionage Act?

The President has broad powers to declassified things so he wouldn't get in trouble. However, he does this after his tenure ends, then he would be in trouble I believe. But as President, he can declassified anything he wants if I'm not mistaken.

[Kowani]

Dallas area realtor Jenna Ryan (woman who flew in on a private plane) becomes the 2nd D.C. riot participant to ask for a pardon

[Galloism]

The plan might be to release classified information from the bush and obama years, which would harm the Biden administration and his neocon friendos.

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

I actually do think that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

But you know trump’s cronies would try to release information that only implicated his enemies, while redacting the shit they did. It wouldn’t be a “wide open” disclosure, but “you see what we want you to see”.

While that’s better than the status quo, not much.

Also, the MyPillow guy is now directing important presidential decisions. This is the wrong timeline. We need to find the sports almanac.

[Thermodolia]

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

If he does that, wouldn't he break more federal laws, including the Espionage Act?

Not while he’s president.

Legally the president can declassify anything they want

[Thermodolia]

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

I actually do think that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

But you know trump’s cronies would try to release information that only implicated his enemies, while redacting the shit they did. It wouldn’t be a “wide open” disclosure, but “you see what we want you to see”.

While that’s better than the status quo, not much.

Also, the MyPillow guy is now directing important presidential decisions. This is the wrong timeline. We need to find the sports almanac.

If you find a DeLorean please tell me

[Zurkerx]

That too: I wouldn't be surprised if Trump try to burn down the US Government with him, even if exposing some Top Secret Stuff would benefit the nation. But Trump would do this for purely revenge, not the common good.

I actually do think that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

But you know trump’s cronies would try to release information that only implicated his enemies, while redacting the shit they did. It wouldn’t be a “wide open” disclosure, but “you see what we want you to see”.

While that’s better than the status quo, not much.

Also, the MyPillow guy is now directing important presidential decisions. This is the wrong timeline. We need to find the sports almanac.

Will that get us out of this dreadful timeline? Because I will certainly help you find this "almanac" if it does so.

But yeah, pretty much what you said.