American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Freiheit Reich]

There is a reason Americans are so hated around the world and it is for more than just the lousy pop music, gas guzzling SUVs, and unhealthy junk food we exported to other places.

I thought you were a fan of gas guzzling SUVs, or is that just if it seems like whatever lib you're talking to would be bothered by them?

I think most Americans don't need an SUV and I even tried talking a relative out of buying one (but failed). Unless you haul things or live in the mountains, you can probably get by with a practical small car. I think fuel economy is a very important thing to look for in a vehicle (for both economical and environmental reasons).

I said SUVs should be allowed and I dislike fuel economy standards. It doesn't mean I think people should buy Hummers. I am pro-choice even if I dislike people buying ridiculously huge gas guzzlers and think it is silly to buy them unless one needs them.

[Galloism]

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

Honestly, I'm puzzled as to how to even argue against it. I've never even seen anyone argue it's wrong to attack a country that has declared open war on you.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

Honestly, I'm puzzled as to how to even argue against it. I've never even seen anyone argue it's wrong to attack a country that has declared open war on you.

"but muh sovereignty"

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Honestly, I'm puzzled as to how to even argue against it. I've never even seen anyone argue it's wrong to attack a country that has declared open war on you.

"but muh sovereignty"

Which was forfeited the moment the trains started going to Treblinka.

[Nakena]

Mfw you see literal banditry being rewarded by the Germans on the Eastern Front and go "let's not go to war with these outlaws".

It's not what you think it is.

Especially on the Eastern Front, the terms "partisan" and "bandit" were applied by the Nazi security apparatus to Jews, communists, Soviet state officials, Red Army stragglers, and any other persons deemed to pose a security risk. Rear-area security operations against armed irregular fighters ("pacification actions") were often indistinguishable from massacres of civilians, accompanied by burning down villages, destroying crops, stealing livestock, deporting able-bodied population for slave labour to Germany and leaving parent-less children on their own

And before the outrage comes, the US is doing it as well. in Afghanistan. right now as we speak.

The CIA Is Running Death Squads in Afghanistan

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afg ... ike-force/

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Mfw you see literal banditry being rewarded by the Germans on the Eastern Front and go "let's not go to war with these outlaws".

It's not what you think it is.

Especially on the Eastern Front, the terms "partisan" and "bandit" were applied by the Nazi security apparatus to Jews, communists, Soviet state officials, Red Army stragglers, and any other persons deemed to pose a security risk. Rear-area security operations against armed irregular fighters ("pacification actions") were often indistinguishable from massacres of civilians, accompanied by burning down villages, destroying crops, stealing livestock, deporting able-bodied population for slave labour to Germany and leaving parent-less children on their own

And before the outrage comes, the US is doing it as well. in Afghanistan. right now as we speak.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world ... ghanistan/

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afg ... ike-force/

You think the Nazi operations in the Eastern Front wasn't banditry?

[Ifreann]

"call it even with no need for war"

Yeah, I bet if the US Navy had just sank ten Nazi Kriegsmarine vessels then Hitler would have considered it even.

The ball would be in his court. If he insisted on attacking a US navy ship then NOW we would have just cause for war and other countries would likely feel we were justified in fighting back. Even Germans would likely feel we were justified in fighting back even if they hated us for doing so. Many people feel we were right to attack Japan in WWII but wrong to attack Iraq or Vietnam and it is because Japan attacked us first. We kept the moral high ground.

Ah, I see. This is just virtue signalling. You're not trying to avoid war, you're trying to avoid the appearance of being warlike.

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That's just not true: most have committed only a civil offence.

Illegal immigration is a crime under US Code bro.

It's actually not. It's illegal, but not criminal. That's why illegal immigrants don't get trials, they're not being charged with a crime.

[Nakena]

It's not what you think it is.



And before the outrage comes, the US is doing it as well. in Afghanistan. right now as we speak.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world ... ghanistan/

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afg ... ike-force/

You think the Nazi operations in the Eastern Front wasn't banditry?

The operations for which this badge was given were the same as what the US military / CIA is now doing in afghanistan.

Counter-insurgency operations.

Read the article. No seriously do it.

Trump tried to resolve the contradiction between his desire to remove troops and the foreign policy elite’s commitment to the Afghan war by loosening the rules of war. The thinking of the Trump administration was that by unleashing the military and intelligence agencies, it could subdue the Taliban—thus preparing the way for a drawdown of troops. Special priority was given to CIA-run covert operations using Afghan paramilitaries, with the belief that this would lead to a more sustainable war that didn’t require American soldiers to participate in fighting.

A report in The Intercept, written by reporter Andrew Quilty, documents the horrifying consequences of this policy: Afghan paramilitary units, known as 01 and 02, have acted as death squads, launching raids against civilians that have turned into massacres. Many of these raids have attacked religious schools, the famous madrassas, leading to the death of children as young as 8 years old.

According to Quilty, “Residents from four districts in Wardak—Nerkh, Chak, Sayedabad, and Daymirdad—spoke of a string of massacres, executions, mutilation, forced disappearances, attacks on medical facilities, and airstrikes targeting structures known to house civilians.

Imagine how such stuff gets entirely unnoticed. ^^

[Andsed]

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

Honestly, I'm puzzled as to how to even argue against it. I've never even seen anyone argue it's wrong to attack a country that has declared open war on you.

I mean technically one can argue that if the nation that declared war has no real means of attacking you, you could just ignore them. But even then thats pretty weak when arguing its wrong for a nation to attack the nation that declared war on them.

[Corrian]

Is the general mindset "Banish Cunningham from ever touching politics again", since he lost a perfectly winnable seat he was LEADING in the whole time, likely because he was a dumb ass? And almost cost us the Senate?

He's not appeared on the list of expected names to run, thank goodness.

So far only one person on each side has declared their intention to run.

For the Democrats, Erica Smith has made clear she'll be running. She lost to Cunningham in the 2020 primary but was the runner-up in that primary among all the Dems who ran.

For the Republicans, Mark Walker has tossed his hat in. He is a former U.S. Representative representing NC's 6th Congressional District. He decided not to run for re-election in 2020 so his term ended January 3, 2021.

Wait, is Richard Burr or whoever the fuck not running for reelection?

[Salandriagado]

That's just not true: most have committed only a civil offence.

Illegal immigration is a crime under US Code bro.

Nope. Crossing the border illegally is, but the majority of illegal immigrants did not do that: they entered legally, then overstayed their visas.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Mfw you see literal banditry being rewarded by the Germans on the Eastern Front and go "let's not go to war with these outlaws".

It's not what you think it is.

Especially on the Eastern Front, the terms "partisan" and "bandit" were applied by the Nazi security apparatus to Jews, communists, Soviet state officials, Red Army stragglers, and any other persons deemed to pose a security risk. Rear-area security operations against armed irregular fighters ("pacification actions") were often indistinguishable from massacres of civilians, accompanied by burning down villages, destroying crops, stealing livestock, deporting able-bodied population for slave labour to Germany and leaving parent-less children on their own

And before the outrage comes, the US is doing it as well. in Afghanistan. right now as we speak.

The CIA Is Running Death Squads in Afghanistan

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afg ... ike-force/

So much for "Demakracy"

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Illegal immigration is a crime under US Code bro.

Nope. Crossing the border illegally is, but the majority of illegal immigrants did not do that: they entered legally, then overstayed their visas.

ICE exists for THIS? We have a militarized police force to deal with a civil infraction?

[Salandriagado]

Honestly, I'm puzzled as to how to even argue against it. I've never even seen anyone argue it's wrong to attack a country that has declared open war on you.

I mean technically one can argue that if the nation that declared war has no real means of attacking you, you could just ignore them. But even then thats pretty weak when arguing its wrong for a nation to attack the nation that declared war on them.

I guess the edge case to look at here would be things like that "war" between Berwick-upon-Tweed and Russia. If we ignore concerns about it being apocryphal, it seems pretty clear to me that Russia attacking Berwick-upon-Tweed decades after the end of the Crimean war just because they were technically still at war would be thoroughly unjustified.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Illegal immigration is a crime under US Code bro.

Nope. Crossing the border illegally is, but the majority of illegal immigrants did not do that: they entered legally, then overstayed their visas.

Which is why there needs to be better tracking so people with overstayed visas are held accountable and promptly deported

[Agarntrop]

I mean technically one can argue that if the nation that declared war has no real means of attacking you, you could just ignore them. But even then thats pretty weak when arguing its wrong for a nation to attack the nation that declared war on them.

I guess the edge case to look at here would be things like that "war" between Berwick-upon-Tweed and Russia. If we ignore concerns about it being apocryphal, it seems pretty clear to me that Russia attacking Berwick-upon-Tweed decades after the end of the Crimean war just because they were technically still at war would be thoroughly unjustified.

Or the Isles of Scily v the Netherlands

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Nope. Crossing the border illegally is, but the majority of illegal immigrants did not do that: they entered legally, then overstayed their visas.

ICE exists for THIS? We have a militarized police force to deal with a civil infraction?

No, ICE exists to keep Mexicans out of America and make white nationalists feel safer.

[Asherahan]

It is time.

[Freiheit Reich]

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

Oh so the guy who wants to run a ripoff Auschwitz is also a nazi? Imagine my shock.

I am not a Nazi (not all people with Prussian ancestry are Nazi supporters) and several countries were justified in fighting them because Germany attacked first. Czechoslovakia, Poland, the USSR, the UK, France, and a few others were all justified. The USA should have prepared their defenses and waited to be 'invited' into the war once Germany attacked. To be nice, the USA could warn Germany that if even one US naval ship is attacked, it means war.

Stop exaggerating. Not all prisons are like Auschwitz and it to make a joke like that is not appropriate. You know the difference between my idea and the Nazis concentration camps. Also, caning is not extreme. Singapore is a civilized nation (and considered to be among the world's best nations) and they do it. Malaysia also canes people and Malaysia is considered to be among the best nations in Asia (and upper class by world standards).

[Atheris]

Oh so the guy who wants to run a ripoff Auschwitz is also a nazi? Imagine my shock.

I am not a Nazi (not all people with Prussian ancestry are Nazi supporters) and several countries were justified in fighting them because Germany attacked first. Czechoslovakia, Poland, the USSR, the UK, France, and a few others were all justified. The USA should have prepared their defenses and waited to be 'invited' into the war once Germany attacked.

We did.

[Freiheit Reich]

And yet no one (except maybe you and your friends) thinks the US was in the wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Funny that.

It's fundamentally impossible to be wrong for fighting Fascists. It is a moral imperative to attack and destroy Fascism wherever it appears.

One could say the same for communists (and LBJ felt that way). Should we invade the PRC, North Korea, and Vietnam to 'liberate' the 'oppressed' people there?

[Salandriagado]

I guess the edge case to look at here would be things like that "war" between Berwick-upon-Tweed and Russia. If we ignore concerns about it being apocryphal, it seems pretty clear to me that Russia attacking Berwick-upon-Tweed decades after the end of the Crimean war just because they were technically still at war would be thoroughly unjustified.

Or the Isles of Scily v the Netherlands

It turns out, there's actually a ridiculous number of these (the Scilly Isles don't work, because it's the Dutch that declared the war). Montenegro-Japan seems pretty inarguable: Montenegro declared the war (purely to symbolically support Russia), no combat ever happened (on account of Montenegro, you know, not having a navy, and also temporarily not existing in the middle). I doubt you'd find many people arguing that Japan had every right to invade the newly-independent Montenegro in the month between Montenegran independence and the end of the "war".

[Valrifell]

Nope. Crossing the border illegally is, but the majority of illegal immigrants did not do that: they entered legally, then overstayed their visas.

Which is why there needs to be better tracking so people with overstayed visas are held accountable and promptly deported

All that effort and invasive technology and for what? A civil offense? Why? Why does it matter so much?

[Nakena]

It's not what you think it is.



And before the outrage comes, the US is doing it as well. in Afghanistan. right now as we speak.

The CIA Is Running Death Squads in Afghanistan

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/18/afg ... ike-force/

So much for "Demakracy"

100% for "Demakracy" since 2010... oh wait:

[-Astoria-]

I guess the edge case to look at here would be things like that "war" between Berwick-upon-Tweed and Russia. If we ignore concerns about it being apocryphal, it seems pretty clear to me that Russia attacking Berwick-upon-Tweed decades after the end of the Crimean war just because they were technically still at war would be thoroughly unjustified.

Or the Isles of Scilly v the Netherlands

FTFY.