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Northern Socialist Council Republics
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:34 pm

To destabilise a democracy it is not necessary to actually undermine the impartiality of institutions. It will suffice merely to cast doubt in their impartiality.

We are seeing that in live display here.
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Comerciante
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Posts: 646
Founded: Dec 25, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Comerciante » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:34 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Comerciante wrote:I thought you were for treating people like adults and accepting personal responsibility and all that?

So you wouldn't trust the guberment to handle your brother planning to commit domestic terrorism fairly, but you're all for handing the power to beat the crap out of shoplifters and vandals and building special going away camps?

Do you trust the guberment or not? make up yer mind.

Or do ye just not like poor people?


I am not an anarchist and I want to reduce some laws. Illegal immigrants are adults and most know they are violating a US law when they illegally enter and often illegally work. They need to be held responsible for their actions just like a thief would be. By brother would be a criminal. If the govt. catches him, he should be punished. It is not my job to help the govt. catch him unless I choose to make it my job.

Caning properly is not the same as beating the daylights out of them. I am not advocating police using batons to beat prisoners' heads in or sodomizing prisoners (as NYC police did before).

I already understand you're a coward already.

But I can't tell if you are trying to place more or less trust in the government.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Posts: 59331
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:35 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
Kannap wrote:Ah but its an American right to riot, or are we picking and choosing where and how people are allowed to riot?

I am just pointing out, if Biden supporters can riot, than you should not complain when Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, and even try to remove the tyrannical government.

YOU LOST.

GET OVER IT.
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Kowani
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Posts: 44957
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:35 pm

American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

Servant of The Democracy since 1896.


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Esalia
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Founded: Oct 22, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Esalia » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:37 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
Kannap wrote:Ah but its an American right to riot, or are we picking and choosing where and how people are allowed to riot?

I am just pointing out, if Biden supporters can riot, than you should not complain when Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, and even try to remove the tyrannical government.


This just tells me you have no clue what tyranny is.

Winning an election is not tyranny. You lost, get over it.
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The Black Forrest
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Founded: Antiquity
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:37 pm

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Singapore is not something to admire. I watched the cops run down a purse snatcher and beat the holy crap out of him. He had to be wheeled off......


Singapore is orderly and functional in an almost surreal and uncanny way, but at the cost of expression, many personal liberties, and a feeling of spontaneity and life among the populace. I've heard some horror stories.


Oh yea. In one way it’s refreshing to be able to walk around and not think about being hassled. Indian shop keepers tend to be agressive sellers. They were quiet in Singapore.

You could actually go down a dark allyway and not be thinking if somebody was going to jump out. Got lost at one point and it was during the taxi rate changes. At certain times of the day, taxi’s disappear. :D
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:37 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
Kannap wrote:Ah but its an American right to riot, or are we picking and choosing where and how people are allowed to riot?

I am just pointing out, if Biden supporters can riot, than you should not complain when Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, and even try to remove the tyrannical government.

is this a joke
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Gravlen
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Founded: Jul 01, 2005
Father Knows Best State

Postby Gravlen » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:37 pm

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:To destabilise a democracy it is not necessary to actually undermine the impartiality of institutions. It will suffice merely to cast doubt in their impartiality.

We are seeing that in live display here.

We've been seeing that happening for over four years now. It's a frightening experiment to live through.
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Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire
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Posts: 773
Founded: Oct 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:37 pm


I was always confused as to why the South would honor a rebellion forged to protect the institution of slavery.

Replacing that Confederate statue with one of John Lewis seems like a good step in the right direction.
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The Black Forrest
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
The burden is on you to actually show that the crimes you are saying happen actually happen.


Prison rape happens a lot. I would much rather be caned than raped. To me, being raped is much crueler than being caned.

Prison rape in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_ra ... ted_States

Inside the shadowy, unspoken world of prison rape (What is truly sick is that many guards also abuse prisoners.)

https://www.foxnews.com/us/prison-rape- ... oken-world

PRISONERS' VOICES

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/voices.html

How Common is Prison Rape?

https://www.wisegeek.com/how-common-is-prison-rape.htm


If you don’t want to do the time; don’t do the crime.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Atheris
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Posts: 6412
Founded: Oct 05, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Atheris » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:YOU LOST.

GET OVER IT.

"Irishman from Belfast" lol

Hey, look! Who cares?
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Heloin
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Founded: Mar 30, 2012
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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Svehrvatska wrote:I am just pointing out, if Biden supporters can riot, than you should not complain when Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, and even try to remove the tyrannical government.

is this a joke

I'm surprised this is the first person here I've seen openly support an attempted fascist coup against the US.

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Freiheit Reich
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Founded: May 27, 2012
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Kannap wrote:If I have to see one more person on Twitter complaining about how they make $15 an hour and will get their feelings hurt if fast food fry cooks get paid the same, I'm going to jump out of my bedroom window.

Sure, my bedroom's on the first floor but surely the four foot fall will have to hurt a little bit.


If you think minimum wage should be $15, why not raise it to $20 or $25 an hour instead? It sounds nice raising the minimum wage until it just makes people with salaries of $40,000 a year the new underclass.

Better to create a national health care system instead of raising the minimum wage which better protects poor people from inflation.
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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

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Atheris
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Founded: Oct 05, 2018
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Postby Atheris » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:39 pm


Cool. I personally would've chosen Coretta Scott King, as her resting place is in Atlanta, but John Lewis is a welcome replacement as well.
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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:39 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:YOU LOST.

GET OVER IT.

"Irishman from Belfast" lol


Ohhh so you don’t know what you are fighting for and are willing to fight for it.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Spirit of Hope
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Founded: Feb 21, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:39 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
Kannap wrote:Ah but its an American right to riot, or are we picking and choosing where and how people are allowed to riot?

I am just pointing out, if Biden supporters can riot, than you should not complain when Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, and even try to remove the tyrannical government.

Again you have presented no evidence of an incoming tyrannical government.

Riots are very different from storming the capital.

Finally Democrats have condemned the violence of the riots, while President Trump and his supporters have encouraged violence.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:40 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:YOU LOST.

GET OVER IT.

"Irishman from Belfast" lol

I hold irish citizenship by the law of two countries so yeah actually. Great deflection tho you do daddy trump proud. Im sure he will give you a little wave at the next rally.
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Esalia
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Founded: Oct 22, 2020
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Postby Esalia » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:40 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:YOU LOST.

GET OVER IT.

"Irishman from Belfast" lol


Congrats, you read Huskar's sig.
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Vassenor
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Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:40 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:YOU LOST.

GET OVER IT.

"Irishman from Belfast" lol


YOU LOST.

GET OVER IT.
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Cordel One
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:40 pm

Heloin wrote:
Kowani wrote:is this a joke

I'm surprised this is the first person here I've seen openly support an attempted fascist coup against the US.

I mean, there are some people who strongly imply they do.

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Heloin
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Founded: Mar 30, 2012
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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:40 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Kannap wrote:If I have to see one more person on Twitter complaining about how they make $15 an hour and will get their feelings hurt if fast food fry cooks get paid the same, I'm going to jump out of my bedroom window.

Sure, my bedroom's on the first floor but surely the four foot fall will have to hurt a little bit.


If you think minimum wage should be $15, why not raise it to $20 or $25 an hour instead? It sounds nice raising the minimum wage until it just makes people with salaries of $40,000 a year the new underclass.

Better to create a national health care system instead of raising the minimum wage which better protects poor people from inflation.

You act like a living wage and universal healthcare are mutually exclusive.

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Kowani
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Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm

American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

Servant of The Democracy since 1896.


Historian, of sorts.

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Atheris
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Founded: Oct 05, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Atheris » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:42 pm

Svehrvatska wrote:
Heloin wrote:I'm surprised this is the first person here I've seen openly support an attempted fascist coup against the US.

I would not call this a fascist coup though. But hey let us compromise: let us balkanise the US. Liberals, conservstives. Blacks, Jews, whites... Everybody gets their part of the country.

I wouldn't call it a fascist coup, either. I have been convinced it was an attempted coup, though, so points to Kowani and Rojava.

Also, balkanize the US? Do you have anywhere else to store your straw? I know shaping it into men saves some space, but you're clogging up the room and messing up my carpet.
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