American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Galloism]

Jo Jorgensen was an insane nutter and was absolutley not better than Trump or Biden lol. People like her are the reason the Libertarian Party is a meme.

I mean, I agree with you, but he doesn't - I was pointing out even by his feelings on the matter, Biden was not a mistake in the general.

Jo "Medicinal Nukes" Jorgensen never had a chance.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm pissed as fuck at Biden and he isn't even president yet. In the time he has not been president:

•Biden went back on the stimulus check promise

No he didn't.

The $2000 was meant to replace the $600, but since that's already gone out they can't exactly do that anymore. This new round of $1400 is meant to retroactively get us back to $2000, which is completely consistent with what everyone was arguing for at the time.

Like, fucking seriously. Jesus Christ guys, Biden is going to be president for four years at least...fucking pace yourselves. There will be plenty of legitimate things to criticize him for, don’t blow your powder on a failure to pay attention.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I wouldn't turn anyone in for anything tbh. But it doesn't mean I wouldn't tell anyone about it or give fair warning.

I suppose, in theory, it depends on the severity of the crime in question, but in general, I feel like setting myself up for an accessory charge is a bad idea. And I'd expect any people, family or not, deserving my loyalty wouldn't want me to.

So, I guess I go in the "I'd turn you in, and contribute to your defense fund" box. That can be a coherent position.

My position isn't bad on loyalty. It's based on my deep seated resistance to contacting the authorities, which you can find out more about if you TG me because this isn't the thread for it.

[Nakena]

No he didn't.

The $2000 was meant to replace the $600, but since that's already gone out they can't exactly do that anymore. This new round of $1400 is meant to retroactively get us back to $2000, which is completely consistent with what everyone was arguing for at the time.

Like, fucking seriously. Jesus Christ guys, Biden is going to be president for four years at least...fucking pace yourselves. There will be plenty of legitimate things to criticize him for, don’t blow your powder on a failure to pay attention.

I mean it wouldn have been difficult for Biden to go for the full $2000 here. Its a difference of 400 bucks. Not the end of the world. But its nevertheless a very bad signal at the beginning of his new administration.

[Valrifell]

Like, fucking seriously. Jesus Christ guys, Biden is going to be president for four years at least...fucking pace yourselves. There will be plenty of legitimate things to criticize him for, don’t blow your powder on a failure to pay attention.

I mean it wouldn have been difficult for Biden to go for the full $2000 here. Its a difference of 400 bucks. Not the end of the world. But its nevertheless a very bad signal at the beginning of his new administration.

I am not understanding what you're not getting, this is the first stimulus deal meant to get back up to $2000. You were going to get $2000 total, not $2600. Is it suddenly bad now that a president is achieving one of the first promises they made?

[Andsed]

Jo Jorgensen was an insane nutter and was absolutley not better than Trump or Biden lol. People like her are the reason the Libertarian Party is a meme.

Lets see: supports ¨free market¨ healthcare, wants deregulation of economic activities, and wants mask wearing to be a ¨personal¨ choice(and these are only the things I cared to mention.) Yeahhhh, I think Imma pass on Jo over here.

[Vassenor]

Did you read the rest of the COVID relief bill?

Yes, and it wasn't enough. I would know since my family will be relying on it more than you.

So how does the rest of it let down the working classes?

[Andsed]

I wouldn't turn anyone in for anything tbh. But it doesn't mean I wouldn't tell anyone about it or give fair warning.

I suppose, in theory, it depends on the severity of the crime in question, but in general, I feel like setting myself up for an accessory charge is a bad idea. And I'd expect any people, family or not, deserving my loyalty wouldn't want me to.

So, I guess I go in the "I'd turn you in, and contribute to your defense fund" box. That can be a coherent position.

Personally I would turn in my friends and family for extremely serious crimes. Rape, murder, kidnapping that kind of stuff. My morals simply cannot let me ignore those kinds of things and vigilante justice is a horrible idea.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

One-on-one debates are the only good kind. The expectation that Jorgensen be let into a debate is by implication that she should have equal time, which is really quite silly. Most of the audience will find her just an annoyance, because they simply don't want to know about or hear the policies of someone they 100% know will not be President. Just some independent political talking head interfering with the one-on-one.

Solution: round-robin debates. Biden and Trump would have their big debate. Then Jorgensen would challenge Biden to a debate, perhaps shorter and (you can't dictate to the networks) at a less popular time. If that happens, Trump would have a hard choice between refusing a debate with Jorgensen or getting eaten alive by Jorgensen, and would probably take the easier option, which would still damage him somewhat. Biden's had two turns on stage, the others only one, but that's Trump's fault so it won't reflect so badly on her.

Not perfect, sure. But better than you'll get insisting on your minor candidate getting billing she does not deserve.

[Nakena]

I mean it wouldn have been difficult for Biden to go for the full $2000 here. Its a difference of 400 bucks. Not the end of the world. But its nevertheless a very bad signal at the beginning of his new administration.

I am not understanding what you're not getting, this is the first stimulus deal meant to get back up to $2000. You were going to get $2000 total, not $2600. Is it suddenly bad now that a president is achieving one of the first promises they made?

I mixed up the numbers never mind.

[Shrillland]

The NRA has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

[Vassenor]

The NRA has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Allegedly. There's talk this is a false filing so they can get out of New York and set up shop in Texas instead.

[Freiheit Reich]

I thought a bit and realized Trump might get some enjoyment by moving to where he is not wanted. It would be a way to stick it to the liberals that hate people with opposing viewpoints. Don't run away, move next to them and your presence alone will make them upset.

Starbucks was founded in Seattle and is doing well there. Seattle people, like many hip liberals on the left coast, are anti-corporate but love Starbucks, Google, Facebook, and Apple because it shows they are members of the elite cool club. Starbucks is actually a 'local' coffee shop.

Nah Trump is easy. Just laugh at him and call him stupid and he falls apart.

As somebody who lives on the left coast, where are these hip liberals?

Anti-corporate? You mean like those conservatives with all their private property and pro-business talk until a company did things against their leader?

Seattle is known for their anti-corporate protests which is OK but I hope these protesters also don't own Apple phones and choose smaller and less hypocritical companies to do business with. I assume 80%-90% of Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco residents are leftists (ranging from idealistic hippies to liberal war hawks ready for another invasion) but I don't have exact stats:

1999 Seattle WTO protests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seattle_WTO_protests

Occupy Seattle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Seattle

I supported Twitter's right to kick off conservatives including President Trump. I just called the company unethical for doing so. I don't think Twitter should be punished for banning people or censoring news. I think boycotts are more reasonable and give people choices. Conservatives wanting to legally punish Twitter are wrong. Some Trump supporters go too far in their love for him.

[Shrillland]

The NRA has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Allegedly. There's talk this is a false filing so they can get out of New York and set up shop in Texas instead.

Yeah, that's what it looks like.

[Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles]

...Jo "Medicinal Nukes" Jorgensen...

There's a story here I've not heard.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The NRA has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Not like they do anything anyways lol. Pretty much everyone has jumped ship to the GoA, SAF and FPC. The NRA is pretty much just a ponzi scheme to make money off of boomers nowadays.

[Shrillland]

The NRA has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Not like they do anything anyways lol. Pretty much everyone has jumped ship to the GoA, SAF and FPC. The NRA is pretty much just a ponzi scheme to make money off of boomers nowadays.

That's true, too. Also...correct me if I'm wrong, but GoA and SAF don't seem to do as much scaremongering as the NRA, at least I haven't seen it as much.

[Senkaku]

Starbucks is actually a 'local' coffee shop.

WAR IS PEACE! FREEDOM IS SLAVERY! STARBUCKS IS ACTUALLY A LOCAL COFFEE SHOP!


from the guy who's worried about 1984 becoming real? really? damn

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not like they do anything anyways lol. Pretty much everyone has jumped ship to the GoA, SAF and FPC. The NRA is pretty much just a ponzi scheme to make money off of boomers nowadays.

That's true, too. Also...correct me if I'm wrong, but GoA and SAF don't seem to do as much scaremongering as the NRA, at least I haven't seen it as much.

SAF pretty much focuses entirely on legal fights. GoA can fall into that same pit at times but at the very least they don't roll over and let gun control pass and then call it a victory like the NRA did.

[Vassenor]

Not like they do anything anyways lol. Pretty much everyone has jumped ship to the GoA, SAF and FPC. The NRA is pretty much just a ponzi scheme to make money off of boomers nowadays.

That's true, too. Also...correct me if I'm wrong, but GoA and SAF don't seem to do as much scaremongering as the NRA, at least I haven't seen it as much.

I mean the NRA openly threatened the free press, so that's not exactly a high bar to clear.

[Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles]

Starbucks is actually a 'local' coffee shop.

WAR IS PEACE! FREEDOM IS SLAVERY! STARBUCKS IS ACTUALLY A LOCAL COFFEE SHOP!

It was nearly twenty hours, and the coffee shops which the proles frequented (‘Starbucks’, they called them) were choked with customers. From their grimy swing doors, endlessly opening and shutting, there came forth a smell of a triple grande soy no-foam sugar free non-fat extra shot cafe latte with four pumps of vanilla and six Splenda. Also urine.

[Agarntrop]

That's a pretty common mindset amongst younger Americans tbf. I know at least in my friend circle that's how things are. There's exceptionally few things I would turn my closest friends in for.

I wouldn't turn anyone in for anything tbh. But it doesn't mean I wouldn't tell anyone about it or give fair warning.

What if you knew one of your relatives was mailing out bombs?

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

WAR IS PEACE! FREEDOM IS SLAVERY! STARBUCKS IS ACTUALLY A LOCAL COFFEE SHOP!

It was nearly twenty hours, and the coffee shops which the proles frequented (‘Starbucks’, they called them) were choked with customers. From their grimy swing doors, endlessly opening and shutting, there came forth a smell of a triple grande soy no-foam sugar free non-fat extra shot cafe latte with four pumps of vanilla and six Splenda. Also urine.

[Freiheit Reich]

If they disguised themselves, that would have helped a lot. Also, sadly you can't trust a lot of relatives and there are few I truly trust. I know my mother and stepfather would turn me in if I broke the law. I knew this for a long time and it made my relationship towards them more distant. Family should come before the police and the government. The code of 'omerta' makes a lot of sense and I agree with it. The highest level of trust is knowing that a relative would not turn you in if they knew you killed someone (remember there are different reasons people are killed).

Their predecessors wore robes and hoods for a reason. Also, family does come before the state but if I'm related to rightist terrorists I will not hesitate to turn them in, blood or ot.

That is sad. Remember that many of the gentlemen we honor today were in fact terrorists in the 18th century. The Boston tea Party was a terrorist act, would you have turned them in? The Revolution War was a rebellion against the established government, would you have turned them in or fought against them? The Hong Kong protesters and the Tiananmen Square protesters supported by Americans were considered 'dangerous' by the CCP, hopefully you are against them as well. Your way of thinking is more like the CCP's way of thinking. I hope you never criticized the CCP for their actions to 'protect' their nation.

[Kowani]

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