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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:32 am

Jabberwocky wrote:He can't leave fast enough to suit me. He's four years late.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:33 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeah, I think the floor dropped from 43 to 36% or something along those lines in these final hours of Trumpism.

Can we stop saying "Trumpism" as if its some sort of ideology? It’s just corrupt despotism, plain and simple

No, because Trumpism does represent something specific, a particular precipitate of American populism and anti-intellectualism arising out of a long chain of specific cultural characteristics and electoral politics. It's not "ordinary" corrupt despotism, and its useful to distinguish it, especially when we're about to see where it goes from here.
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Postby No State Here » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:33 am

The Marlborough wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Sure but wind and geothermal can't fuel our colony ships to other planets. Gotta think of our glorious space empire future where our sick nuclear starships seduce all those sexy blue xeno babes. :p

Mexico is going to be the country that saves humanity should we get to that stage.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:34 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/us/p ... irman.html

Jamie Harrison is expected to be named the next DNC chair.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:34 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Nuclear is a good baseload option and some of the new SMR technology is very promising, but it's not the alpha and omega of green energy. New geothermal technologies also seem like very promising options for very large base-load power plants.

I also don't think the "normal" renewables (solar and wind) should be neglected-- Equinor's new offshore wind project in New York is going to be huge. The nuclear bros do not know everything, though they are at least closer to the right track than the anti-nuclear nutjobs.


Sure but wind and geothermal can't fuel our colony ships to other planets. Gotta think of our glorious space empire future where our sick nuclear starships seduce all those sexy blue xeno babes. :p

Of course they can, they're just as capable of powering lasers or hydrogen production as any other power source.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:34 am

The Marlborough wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Sure but wind and geothermal can't fuel our colony ships to other planets. Gotta think of our glorious space empire future where our sick nuclear starships seduce all those sexy blue xeno babes. :p

Mexico is going to be the country that saves humanity should we get to that stage.

They're already out there.
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Postby The Untied State » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:35 am

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Cars are bad for the planet, though.

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you were expecting ford, but it was i, elon!
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:36 am

Another interesting thing is for years we collectively considered ourselves superior and different from our Southern neighbors, but with our own coup attempt and wannabe Caudillo, it seems we’re not so different
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:37 am

No State Here wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Mexico is going to be the country that saves humanity should we get to that stage.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:37 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeah, I think the floor dropped from 43 to 36% or something along those lines in these final hours of Trumpism.

Can we stop saying "Trumpism" as if its some sort of ideology? It’s just corrupt despotism, plain and simple


It's not a coherent ideology but it does more or less boil down to fanatical faith in Trump's brilliance and anything he messes up being secretly the fault of covert nefariousness by the other side. Cults are sometimes named after their leaders too.
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:38 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Another interesting thing is for years we collectively considered ourselves superior and different from our Southern neighbors, but with our own coup attempt and wannabe Caudillo, it seems we’re not so different

Tbf the PRI was the perfect dictatorship so Mexico has that on the US.
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Postby The Untied State » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:39 am

wonder if whoever runs against biden/harris in 2024 will be decent, surprisingly nice, or uncannily similar to trump, my bets on extremely average and mainstream, which is an improvement
so basically 2020 election happens, there's a civil bloodbath, and the political system is overhauled as the nation tries to find unity and a new identity in a new age of political violence, alaska, hawaii, and puerto rico left the union, proportional representation enabled an increasingly individualized and oddly specific political climate, and lib-left lib-right solidarity is the favored form of compromise, now with a new flag!

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:40 am

The Untied State wrote:wonder if whoever runs against biden/harris in 2024 will be decent, surprisingly nice, or uncannily similar to trump, my bets on extremely average and mainstream, which is an improvement

That’s if Trump isn’t renominated

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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:43 am

The Untied State wrote:wonder if whoever runs against biden/harris in 2024 will be decent, surprisingly nice, or uncannily similar to trump, my bets on extremely average and mainstream, which is an improvement

The best move would be someone as charismatic but competent and without the baggage but similar policies and views on things like trade and foreign policy. Tbh had it not been for the pandemic, I think Trump would have won. A lot of people seemed to have not minded or even actually like his policies just not the man.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Untied State wrote:wonder if whoever runs against biden/harris in 2024 will be decent, surprisingly nice, or uncannily similar to trump, my bets on extremely average and mainstream, which is an improvement

That’s if Trump isn’t renominated


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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:45 am

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That’s if Trump isn’t renominated


the primary system was a mistake

Why?

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:45 am

The Untied State wrote:wonder if whoever runs against biden/harris in 2024 will be decent, surprisingly nice, or uncannily similar to trump, my bets on extremely average and mainstream, which is an improvement

Well, we know Cruz, Hawley, Haley, Paul, and Pence are all still angling for a run, who else is on the list? I guess of those Haley is probably the most "average and mainstream" but that's really only because she got out while the getting was good and has mostly kept her trap shut since
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:48 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Um, why? Surely different states can have different procedures regarding the amendment of their constitution?


I doubt it can be done by executive order in any state. If it can what do you need a legislature for? The executive would be a king or queen in all but title.

Well that's beside the point. The Governor of Maryland planning to do something by executive order doesn't mean anything for what the Governor of Wisconsin might do. At least as far as I'm aware, state governors don't all have the same powers.


Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeah, I think the floor dropped from 43 to 36% or something along those lines in these final hours of Trumpism.

Can we stop saying "Trumpism" as if its some sort of ideology? It’s just corrupt despotism, plain and simple

Trump's political career has centred entirely on him personally, not on his politics or ideology, but his personality and style. It's perfectly apt to refer to this as Trumpism.


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The Marlborough wrote:Mexico is going to be the country that saves humanity should we get to that stage.

Space quesadillas

Space-adillas.
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Postby The Marlborough » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:49 am

Tulsi Gabbard should unironically go for the GOP nom for the hilarity it would bring. Double points if she got it. Triple points if she won and became POTUS.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:49 am

Senkaku wrote:
The Untied State wrote:wonder if whoever runs against biden/harris in 2024 will be decent, surprisingly nice, or uncannily similar to trump, my bets on extremely average and mainstream, which is an improvement

Well, we know Cruz, Hawley, Haley, Paul, and Pence are all still angling for a run, who else is on the list? I guess of those Haley is probably the most "average and mainstream" but that's really only because she got out while the getting was good and has mostly kept her trap shut since


Cruz, Hawley and Pence are done for imo. They'd never stand a chance in the general.

Haley could potentially do well I think.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:50 am

The Marlborough wrote:Tulsi Gabbard should unironically go for the GOP nom for the hilarity it would bring. Double points if she got it. Triple points if she won and became POTUS.

Wow I could vote for someone in good conscience finally
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I doubt it can be done by executive order in any state. If it can what do you need a legislature for? The executive would be a king or queen in all but title.

Well that's beside the point. The Governor of Maryland planning to do something by executive order doesn't mean anything for what the Governor of Wisconsin might do. At least as far as I'm aware, state governors don't all have the same powers.


Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Can we stop saying "Trumpism" as if its some sort of ideology? It’s just corrupt despotism, plain and simple

Trump's political career has centred entirely on him personally, not on his politics or ideology, but his personality and style. It's perfectly apt to refer to this as Trumpism.


No State Here wrote:Space quesadillas

Space-adillas.

In no state can the executive amend the constitution via executive order. If they could there is no need for a legislature as they are effectively a monarch.

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Postby Page » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:51 am

This will be the first inauguration I'll watch since 2009. Back then I skipped English class to watch it on the TV of the campus administration building, felt like an important moment in history that I shouldn't miss. Of course back then I was a teenage liberal who said cringey shit like "post-racial society" and I genuinely thought the wars would end.

I don't remember where I was on Obama's second, my guess is I was asleep because this was a time when I'd go the gym at 3AM.

Then in 2017, it was my first time back in America since moving abroad, I was with my wife and my mother-in-law came too, we went out for breakfast and then when we got to my parents' house they put on the TV. I said something to my parents along the lines of "This is fucking sickening, I can't watch this" which I think my MIL got the gist of despite not speaking English. The language barrier kept her and my parents from an awkward discussion. I left and my wife caught up with me after a few minutes of watching in horror.
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Postby The Untied State » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:54 am

Senkaku wrote:
The Untied State wrote:wonder if whoever runs against biden/harris in 2024 will be decent, surprisingly nice, or uncannily similar to trump, my bets on extremely average and mainstream, which is an improvement

Well, we know Cruz, Hawley, Haley, Paul, and Pence are all still angling for a run, who else is on the list? I guess of those Haley is probably the most "average and mainstream" but that's really only because she got out while the getting was good and has mostly kept her trap shut since

well i hope it's not cruz or pence. i assume by paul you mean rand paul, but there are several pauls i think. didn't haley do some bad foreign policy stuff? presidents should generally be good at foreign policy, but then again i don't want the republicans to win so if they have a terrible candidate that's on them.
so basically 2020 election happens, there's a civil bloodbath, and the political system is overhauled as the nation tries to find unity and a new identity in a new age of political violence, alaska, hawaii, and puerto rico left the union, proportional representation enabled an increasingly individualized and oddly specific political climate, and lib-left lib-right solidarity is the favored form of compromise, now with a new flag!

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:54 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Well that's beside the point. The Governor of Maryland planning to do something by executive order doesn't mean anything for what the Governor of Wisconsin might do. At least as far as I'm aware, state governors don't all have the same powers.



Trump's political career has centred entirely on him personally, not on his politics or ideology, but his personality and style. It's perfectly apt to refer to this as Trumpism.



Space-adillas.

In no state can the executive amend the constitution via executive order. If they could there is no need for a legislature as they are effectively a monarch.

Well that's beside the point. The Governor of Maryland planning to do something by executive order doesn't mean anything for what the Governor of Wisconsin might do. At least as far as I'm aware, state governors don't all have the same powers.
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