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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:38 pm


Someone at the WH called him and reminded him that they still had the sex tape, I'm guessing he forgot, since he seemed a little sloshed when he's spoken publicly of late. No shade, I would be too if I were in his unenviable position.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

Yes because nations are really going to have open arms to refugees

no one tell him about the permafrost lol it'd just upset him
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:39 pm


I seriously wonder what kind of dirt they have on him
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:39 pm

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If they stab me, they should go to prison because by stabbing me, they violated my freedom to live (assuming I was murdered). Until they stab me, let them spout their views (outside of the workplace). I dislike the idea of 'thought crimes.'


But you are completely against a company being punished for knowingly serving a product that hurts people. Weird stance.

I mean I can agree with the stance, people shouldn't be thrown in jail for saying their opinions. I don't agree with the stance that people should be immune from the results of saying their opinions. Results like being fired because your job doesn't want to be associated with what you are saying.


I am consistent. It is just like whether a restaurant should be allowed to ban black customers. Yes, legally, I think they should (just as legally, they should be allowed to fire workers who support Trump or Biden or the New York Yankees baseball team) but ethically, banning black customers is wrong (just like companies firing people over political views is ethically wrong) and companies that do so should be reported negatively in the news so people can decide whether to support the business or not. Owners that do these things are unreasonable and should be ashamed.

What scares me is that few people oppose companies that fired people for views outside of work. First it is them and then it will be you and/or I fired for our views. I already mentioned examples of those fired from the left and the right side. You can laugh now, but you might be crying later. This is why I want to defend Jihadists and Nazis and and black separatists and KKK members and Yankee fans that might be afraid to share their views for fear of retaliation.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:39 pm

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Kind of tough to say how fully accurate this will be but his post-Presidency life is about to become hell, especially since he doesn't have the protections of the Presidency anymore. He'll have to worry about the millions he has to pay off and businesses losing revenue/business but worse, the pending lawsuits and possible prosecution he'll face, as well as being barred possibly from running for office.



This is why I'm inclined to believe that Trumps candidacy was originally a publicity stunt that snowballed wildly out of control because nobody realized just how far off the deep end the the GOP base had gone.

The constant intense and extremely public exposure, criticism, and scrutiny of his activities is completely antithetical for a narcissistic con-man who has always counted on being able to quietly bribe or bully his way out of trouble.


Just like a reality TV show it seems. But his actions, which he might have gotten away in other countries, certainly have come back to haunt him and his family for the rest of their lives. He brought this onto himself and must live with the consequences.



I do think Graham's efforts will fail, especially when McConnell is probably going to vote to convict. That would give others comfort to vote. McCain did keep Graham in line and pretty good too. Once he croaked, well...

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Undoubtedly though some I think would have condemned it: they just be out of the party- and probably thrown in prison.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:39 pm

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:39 pm

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I think the US needs radical political re-alignment before it can seriously consider to face the challenge of climate change in a proportionate and decisive way.


It's probably gonna be too late by the time that happens tbh.

Hence my fear of what might have to happen for any kind of change. We really do not have any time to wait.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:40 pm

Oh look at that: Boeing pauses donations
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:40 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:There isn't some judgement day where the universe evaluates how environmentally conscious you were and gives you a corresponding climate bubble. It is as much as a choice as it is a choice for you if someone blows cigarette smoke in your face.


I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

Climate change can only be stopped if the state takes full control of all industry and enforces extremely strict regulations while prioritizing nuclear energy and such sources above all else
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:40 pm


And not ya know the Cheyenne mountain complex
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:41 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:There isn't some judgement day where the universe evaluates how environmentally conscious you were and gives you a corresponding climate bubble. It is as much as a choice as it is a choice for you if someone blows cigarette smoke in your face.


I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.


Yeah, because the animals that are dying from global warming can do the same /s

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:41 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:There isn't some judgement day where the universe evaluates how environmentally conscious you were and gives you a corresponding climate bubble. It is as much as a choice as it is a choice for you if someone blows cigarette smoke in your face.


I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

Oh yeah they can ¨just move¨ Because that is so much fucking easier than just getting our together and saving the planet. :roll:
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:41 pm

Kowani wrote:Oh look at that: Boeing pauses donations

Oh no

I guess the rest of the MIC isn’t that far behind
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:42 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

Climate change can only be stopped if the state takes full control of all industry and enforces extremely strict regulations while prioritizing nuclear energy and such sources above all else

And nuking the shit out of China
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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:44 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:There isn't some judgement day where the universe evaluates how environmentally conscious you were and gives you a corresponding climate bubble. It is as much as a choice as it is a choice for you if someone blows cigarette smoke in your face.


I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

The majority of the human population lives on the coasts. As in the areas most vulnerable to rising sea levels.

Frankly I have doubts that our civilization won’t collapse due to the coming chaos of climate change.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:45 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Adamede wrote:Hell if I know. I think it’s clear by now that I’m not really qualified to speak on anything regarding politics or governance.

However I still stand by that not all ethics need to be decided upon by government.

You're a citizen in a democracy, you're perfectly qualified to speak on politics or governance. You just haven't worked out your thoughts in detail about this particular debate.

I think you and I may have different ideas of what qualification means in this case.

But you’re right in that I need to think through this more.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:45 pm

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They should have the legal right to fire people but ethically it is wrong. The government should set a good example and never fire people for their opinions outside of work (as long as they don't wear the work uniform or post from a government website).

My hope is that more people will agree to disagree and respect people's opinions even if they are controversial. People need to be less petty and we can have more harmony. The people that fired the employees behaved like mini tyrants. I bet they are the same people that criticized Xi Jinping or Kim Jong-Il or Stalin for 'human rights violations' and not allowing freedom of speech BUT they also behave like a tyrant when given the opportunity.

Wait so are you a tankie, fascist, alt right, or libertarian?


I have some libertarian views, but I admitted to not being 100% libertarian because I think we should at least have a basic safety net for the downtrodden. I want programs that help people help themselves or for those in real need (ex. vocational job training, basic health care, a basic but cheaper public school system).

I am not alt-right and think we need a color-blind society (as much as possible).
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:47 pm

Thermodolia wrote:

And not ya know the Cheyenne mountain complex


The place has some related history though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redstone_ ... ile_Agency
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:48 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

I'm not going to lie, this is a pretty stupid post. It's not as simple as you make it out to be, and should be obvious that the real solution is to save the planet.

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:48 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Climate change can only be stopped if the state takes full control of all industry and enforces extremely strict regulations while prioritizing nuclear energy and such sources above all else

And nuking the shit out of China


China isn't the only major contributor to climate change.

That's not an honest way of approaching the topic.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:48 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Oh look at that: Boeing pauses donations

Oh no

I guess the rest of the MIC isn’t that far behind


MIC? But I do feel as more businesses close up political donations, Republicans will become more supportive of convicting though that's honestly ashamed it takes that to get that support.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:49 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies.


What incredible economy do you live in where you can just hop from job to job..?


Most companies will likely have smoking sections or ban smoking indoors as smokers are in the minority in most of the USA. It is legal to be drunk at work in most jobs as well, but most companies have rules against it. Likely, they will want employees happy and even many managers would not want to allow smoking indoors (at least not in 100% of the workspace).
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:50 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh no

I guess the rest of the MIC isn’t that far behind


MIC? But I do feel as more businesses close up political donations, Republicans will become more supportive of convicting though that's honestly ashamed it takes that to get that support.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:50 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh no

I guess the rest of the MIC isn’t that far behind


MIC? But I do feel as more businesses close up political donations, Republicans will become more supportive of convicting though that's honestly ashamed it takes that to get that support.

Military Industrial Complex.

Edit: Damn ninjas, I thought you were expending your energy nuking China ;)
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