American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Thermodolia]

Trump discussed resignation, didn't go through with it because he doesn't trust Pence to pardon him

Damn, to think if Pence were a better liar.

It might have happened if ya know Trump didn’t toss Pence under the bus and send his goons to kill him

[Senkaku]

It's just a term. Huang is asking where/how you draw the distinction, specifically, between things the government should legislate on and things it should not legislate on.


What is the purpose of a government, then? Just to sit there looking pretty?

To keep social order mostly, along with like making sure there’s not literal slavery going on, and they’re not exactly doing that by saying gays can’t get married or what types of plants are oaky and which aren’t.

Where between "hey, stop enslaving those people" and "the Hawai'ian goose (nēnē) shall be protected from harassment on the grounds of golf courses and clubs in Kaua'i County pursuant to the 2018 revised EPA guidance on enforcement of the Endangered Species Act" are you saying we should draw the line? Because if I had to pick, I'd probably put protecting biodiversity and permitting gay marriage on the side of being important enough to enforce.

[Valrifell]

Climate change is a natural process and the world was actually much hotter during the time of the dinosaurs. Yes, humans are partly but likely not all to blame.

Scientists disagree with you

And it's literally most every scientist. Opposition to the idea of man-made climate change is practically token at this point, there's a consensus in the field of climate change.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Actually all of it was about liability of companies, it's part of a much broader attack on the right of individuals to sue companies under Tort law. The whole dismissal of her case is part of a PR campaign to muddy the issue, your attitude has been created and defined by others aiming to strip you of your rights.

Do you question climate change, or think smoking is a case of individual rights? These messages have been created for you to think.

Climate change is a natural process and the world was actually much hotter during the time of the dinosaurs. Yes, humans are partly but likely not all to blame. Tree planting campaigns can help solve the problem. Anyways, it is about choice and you are not forced to drive a gas guzzler or use coal at home if you are a tree-hugger just as people should be allowed to eat meat or not eat meat based on their ethics.

I agree with meat eating but climate change is real and man made lmfao

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

There isn't some judgement day where the universe evaluates how environmentally conscious you were and gives you a corresponding climate bubble. It is as much as a choice as it is a choice for you if someone blows cigarette smoke in your face.

I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

Walking away is not equal to having to move.

[Bombadil]

I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies.

What incredible economy do you live in where you can just hop from job to job..?

[Senkaku]

The question is, can you provide a formal definition?

Of what, social order? The duties of government? No not really. And even if I could there’d be a near ignite amount of exceptions to the rule and so many holes as to be useless.

Well, then we'll just have to politically contest things issue by issue as they come up, and you'll need to stop pronouncing that it's generally always wrong for the government to legislate ethics.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies.

What incredible economy do you live in where you can just hop from job to job..?

It's the usual twisted right libertarian definition of "coercion."

[Thermodolia]

Just in case anyone thought the coup/riot/insurrection was full of poor people.. it wasn’t

[Adamede]

To keep social order mostly, along with like making sure there’s not literal slavery going on, and they’re not exactly doing that by saying gays can’t get married or what types of plants are oaky and which aren’t.

Where between "hey, stop enslaving those people" and "the Hawai'ian goose (nēnē) shall be protected from harassment on the grounds of golf courses and clubs in Kaua'i County pursuant to the 2018 revised EPA guidance on enforcement of the Endangered Species Act" are you saying we should draw the line? Because if I had to pick, I'd probably put protecting biodiversity and permitting gay marriage on the side of being important enough to enforce.

Hell if I know. I think it’s clear by now that I’m not really qualified to speak on anything regarding politics or governance.

However I still stand by that not all ethics need to be decided upon by government.

[Diahon]

Damn, to think if Pence were a better liar.

It might have happened if ya know Trump didn’t toss Pence under the bus and send his goons to kill him

which is why pence's decision not to use the 25th to finally end trump is so taxing

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Just in case anyone thought the coup/riot/insurrection was full of poor people.. it wasn’t

That only proves that it wasn't just full of poor people. Many of the people there drove from places nearby like Virginia and based on how they look, I doubt they were rich.

[Freiheit Reich]

However, I don't think McDonald's should have had to pay for her injuries. They were not being unfair.

Fact: McDonald’s didn’t just serve their coffee hot– their operations manual required that is be served between 180 and 190 degrees; 30-40 degrees hotter than other coffee-serving restaurants in the area. The Shriner’s Burn Institute in Cincinnati issued warnings that coffee served above 130 degrees was “dangerously hot.” McDonald’s knew that their coffee was “not fit for consumption” at the temperature it was served because it caused third-degree burns within 3-7 seconds of contact with the skin. In the ten years prior to this accident they had 700 complaints of burns from their coffee, including complaints of burns to children and infants from accidental spills.

They knew it was dangerous and did nothing about it.

I agree that they were irresponsible and that such findings should have been reported in the news. Remember, I am fine with propaganda being used to educate the public of dangers. Ethically, McDonald's was wrong to serve coffee so hot but legally, they should not have gotten in trouble (at least by my standards, but likely under US law which is quite unreasonable, they broke some kind of rule).

[Comerciante]

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I see so you submit to the Ben Shapiro idea of "just sell your homes and move." "Just get another job."

[Picairn]

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

How can Floridians move? Sell their houses and just pack up and leave?

*angry grunts and axing the wall noises* There's just a small problem:

SELL THEIR HOUSES TO WHO, FREIHEIT? FUCKING AQUAMAN?

[Myrensis]

Trump discussed resignation, didn't go through with it because he doesn't trust Pence to pardon him

Kind of tough to say how fully accurate this will be but his post-Presidency life is about to become hell, especially since he doesn't have the protections of the Presidency anymore. He'll have to worry about the millions he has to pay off and businesses losing revenue/business but worse, the pending lawsuits and possible prosecution he'll face, as well as being barred possibly from running for office.

This is why I'm inclined to believe that Trumps candidacy was originally a publicity stunt that snowballed wildly out of control because nobody realized just how far off the deep end the the GOP base had gone.

The constant intense and extremely public exposure, criticism, and scrutiny of his activities is completely antithetical for a narcissistic con-man who has always counted on being able to quietly bribe or bully his way out of trouble.

[Picairn]

Anyway, I'm happy that Trump is impeached again, and this time 10 House Repubs are on our side.

[Spirit of Hope]

Fact: McDonald’s didn’t just serve their coffee hot– their operations manual required that is be served between 180 and 190 degrees; 30-40 degrees hotter than other coffee-serving restaurants in the area. The Shriner’s Burn Institute in Cincinnati issued warnings that coffee served above 130 degrees was “dangerously hot.” McDonald’s knew that their coffee was “not fit for consumption” at the temperature it was served because it caused third-degree burns within 3-7 seconds of contact with the skin. In the ten years prior to this accident they had 700 complaints of burns from their coffee, including complaints of burns to children and infants from accidental spills.

They knew it was dangerous and did nothing about it.

I agree that they were irresponsible and that such findings should have been reported in the news. Remember, I am fine with propaganda being used to educate the public of dangers. Ethically, McDonald's was wrong to serve coffee so hot but legally, they should not have gotten in trouble (at least by my standards, but likely under US law which is quite unreasonable, they broke some kind of rule).

So in your opinion people and businesses shouldn't get in trouble for knowingly selling defectives products that cause injury. That is a crazy take.

[Zurkerx]

Well, Trump still has one hope apparently: Lindsay Graham is fighting Trump's ouster. He has even gone as far as to urge Biden to get Pelosi to 'call off' impeachment proceedings, saying "It is now time for President-elect Biden to rise to the occasion and instruct his party to call off post-presidential impeachment proceedings [...] every president is subject to the laws of the land. However, impeachment is political and will further divide the nation".

Meanwhile, McCain is continually turning over in his grave for what his friend has become.

[Comerciante]

SELL IT TO WHO, FREIHEIT? FUCKING AQUAMAN?

Which is completely unreasonable. Atlantean Design Philosophy will see our houses as nothing more than driftwood.

We'd be lucky to get pennies on the dollar.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well, Trump still has one hope apparently: Lindsay Graham is fighting Trump's ouster. He has even gone as far as to urge Biden to get Pelosi to 'call off' impeachment proceedings, saying "It is now time for President-elect Biden to rise to the occasion and instruct his party to call off post-presidential impeachment proceedings [...] every president is subject to the laws of the land. However, impeachment is political and will further divide the nation".

Meanwhile, McCain is continually turning over in his grave for what his friend has become.

Eat shit Lindsey. I knew he still didn't have a spin.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Well, Trump still has one hope apparently: Lindsay Graham is fighting Trump's ouster. He has even gone as far as to urge Biden to get Pelosi to 'call off' impeachment proceedings, saying "It is now time for President-elect Biden to rise to the occasion and instruct his party to call off post-presidential impeachment proceedings [...] every president is subject to the laws of the land. However, impeachment is political and will further divide the nation".

Meanwhile, McCain is continually turning over in his grave for what his friend has become.

The Trump Republicans are begging for mercy cause their coup failed. Had they succeeded, they wouldn't show remotely any mercy to their enemies.

[Senkaku]

Where between "hey, stop enslaving those people" and "the Hawai'ian goose (nēnē) shall be protected from harassment on the grounds of golf courses and clubs in Kaua'i County pursuant to the 2018 revised EPA guidance on enforcement of the Endangered Species Act" are you saying we should draw the line? Because if I had to pick, I'd probably put protecting biodiversity and permitting gay marriage on the side of being important enough to enforce.

Hell if I know. I think it’s clear by now that I’m not really qualified to speak on anything regarding politics or governance.

However I still stand by that not all ethics need to be decided upon by government.

You're a citizen in a democracy, you're perfectly qualified to speak on politics or governance. You just haven't worked out your thoughts in detail about this particular debate.

[Kowani]

Space Force headquarters are to be in the Redstone Arsenal, in Alabama

[Thermodolia]

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.

Yes because nations are really going to have open arms to refugees