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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:18 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Andsed wrote:McDonald was serving coffee at temperature where it could give someone third degree burns. They were being extremely reckless and deserved that lawsuit.


It is so disheartening to see how many people believe in climate change misinformation that makes them think its not something we need to take action on now.

There was a trumpian whom I talked to online, and he acted like people who believed in climate science were all triggered "snowflakes."

It’s shit like that that makes me super concerned about what it will take to get things done. Like it feels like we’re going to have to wait till it is or is almost too late, or use violence to get anything done. And neither of those two options are particularly good ones.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:19 pm

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They should have the legal right to fire people but ethically it is wrong.

Why do you want to live in an unethical society?


Ethics is not always a black and white issue. Some say it is ethically wrong to eat meat or drive a car or drink alcohol or be the wrong religion. I want to live in a society where people respect each other by choice and not by force. I also want companies punished for unethical behavior through boycotts and bad publicity and not by legal punishments.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:19 pm

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Man, the number of deep state radical traitors Trump personally appointed is truly impressive.

I wonder if the cult has ever considered whether...Trump himself is part of the conspiracy?

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:19 pm

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Man, the number of deep state radical traitors Trump personally appointed is truly impressive.

I wonder if the cult has ever considered whether...Trump himself is part of the conspiracy?

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I have seen such comments, that Trump was just a bright toy to distract people as the Deep State carried on with its pedophile activities.

It's all a TRAP!
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20 pm

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20 pm

Andsed wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:There was a trumpian whom I talked to online, and he acted like people who believed in climate science were all triggered "snowflakes."

It’s shit like that that makes me super concerned about what it will take to get things done. Like it feels like we’re going to have to wait till it is or is almost too late, or use violence to get anything done. And neither of those two options are particularly good ones.


I think the US needs radical political re-alignment before it can seriously consider to face the challenge of climate change in a proportionate and decisive way.
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Postby Diahon » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20 pm

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Kowani wrote:And it looks like Rudy will Not be getting paid after all


Gosh.. who could have seen that coming aside from all of us?


to be fair, after not stopping (and likely encouraging) trump from sticking his tiny dick in batshit, i'd be amazed if trump paid him for his time

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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
pls no


Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

I used to be just like this lol but if your a conservative you should realize that one of the most important aspects of morality is helping the poor, of course those who do not help themselves don’t deserve to be helped, but there are many people who genuinely can’t help themselves because of a situation so dire it needs help. Funny because 2 weeks ago I would be agreeing with everything you say but I have no clue what exactly changed my views into being more Christian Democratic, maybe the coup attempt
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:21 pm

Adamede wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:The bright line between ethical debates the government should and should not involve itself in.

Yah I don’t know where that comes from and I’m not about to trawl through my comments at this time of night.

It's just a term. Huang is asking where/how you draw the distinction, specifically, between things the government should legislate on and things it should not legislate on.

However that government doesn’t need to legislate itself a position for ethical debate in society.

What is the purpose of a government, then? Just to sit there looking pretty?
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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:21 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Adamede wrote:And ethics will change again. And that’s why there are some ethical debates that the government shouldn’t concern itself with ultimately.

..."anything that the public may someday change its mind about should not be legislated on" seems like a rather sweeping approach, to me.

Well ideally the government shouldn’t be too concerned the personal lives of its citizens so long as they’re not murdering or raping people, but I know that’s a pipe dream. Hell the idea of human rights is a rather recent one and I wording be surprised if it disappears in time, along with concepts such as popular democratic governments.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:21 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Andsed wrote:It’s shit like that that makes me super concerned about what it will take to get things done. Like it feels like we’re going to have to wait till it is or is almost too late, or use violence to get anything done. And neither of those two options are particularly good ones.


I think the US needs radical political re-alignment before it can seriously consider to face the challenge of climate change in a proportionate and decisive way.


It's probably gonna be too late by the time that happens tbh.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:22 pm

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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:22 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Adamede wrote:Yah I don’t know where that comes from and I’m not about to trawl through my comments at this time of night.

It's just a term. Huang is asking where/how you draw the distinction, specifically, between things the government should legislate on and things it should not legislate on.

However that government doesn’t need to legislate itself a position for ethical debate in society.

What is the purpose of a government, then? Just to sit there looking pretty?

To keep social order mostly, along with like making sure there’s not literal slavery going on, and they’re not exactly doing that by saying gays can’t get married or what types of plants are oaky and which aren’t.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:23 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:I want to live in a society where people respect each other by choice and not by force.

We all do, but we can't. You have to pick certain things to let the state use force to prevent, otherwise we'd all just be raping and pillaging all day (or more realistically, quietly starving to death).
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:23 pm

Adamede wrote:
Senkaku wrote:It's just a term. Huang is asking where/how you draw the distinction, specifically, between things the government should legislate on and things it should not legislate on.


What is the purpose of a government, then? Just to sit there looking pretty?

To keep social order mostly, along with like making sure there’s not literal slavery going on, and they’re not exactly doing that by saying gays can’t get married or what types of plants are oaky and which aren’t.

The question is, can you provide a formal definition?
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:23 pm

Diahon wrote:
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Gosh.. who could have seen that coming aside from all of us?


to be fair, after not stopping (and likely encouraging) trump from sticking his tiny dick in batshit, i'd be amazed if trump paid him for his time


We all said throughout the time spent contesting the elections in court that it was a massive waste of time and the lawyers weren't going to be paid anyway.. one remarkable aspect of the last 4 year is just how predictable it all was.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:24 pm

Adamede wrote:
Senkaku wrote:It's just a term. Huang is asking where/how you draw the distinction, specifically, between things the government should legislate on and things it should not legislate on.


What is the purpose of a government, then? Just to sit there looking pretty?

To keep social order mostly, along with like making sure there’s not literal slavery going on, and they’re not exactly doing that by saying gays can’t get married or what types of plants are oaky and which aren’t.


So should the government have brought an end to rampant and privately-run discrimination against blacks and people known to be in interracial relationships throughout mid-20th century?

That would be the government legislating on ethics which aren't to prevent literal slavery, so I'm curious as to your take.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Man, the number of deep state radical traitors Trump personally appointed is truly impressive.

I wonder if the cult has ever considered whether...Trump himself is part of the conspiracy?

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:25 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Actually all of it was about liability of companies, it's part of a much broader attack on the right of individuals to sue companies under Tort law. The whole dismissal of her case is part of a PR campaign to muddy the issue, your attitude has been created and defined by others aiming to strip you of your rights.

Do you question climate change, or think smoking is a case of individual rights? These messages have been created for you to think.


Climate change is a natural process and the world was actually much hotter during the time of the dinosaurs. Yes, humans are partly but likely not all to blame.


Scientists disagree with you
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Postby Diahon » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:25 pm



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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:25 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Adamede wrote:To keep social order mostly, along with like making sure there’s not literal slavery going on, and they’re not exactly doing that by saying gays can’t get married or what types of plants are oaky and which aren’t.

The question is, can you provide a formal definition?

Of what, social order? The duties of government? No not really. And even if I could there’d be a near ignite amount of exceptions to the rule and so many holes as to be useless.
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Kind of tough to say how fully accurate this will be but his post-Presidency life is about to become hell, especially since he doesn't have the protections of the Presidency anymore. He'll have to worry about the millions he has to pay off and businesses losing revenue/business but worse, the pending lawsuits and possible prosecution he'll face, as well as being barred possibly from running for office.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:26 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Climate change is a natural process and the world was actually much hotter during the time of the dinosaurs. Yes, humans are partly but likely not all to blame. Tree planting campaigns can help solve the problem. Anyways, it is about choice and you are not forced to drive a gas guzzler or use coal at home if you are a tree-hugger just as people should be allowed to eat meat or not eat meat based on their ethics.

There isn't some judgement day where the universe evaluates how environmentally conscious you were and gives you a corresponding climate bubble. It is as much as a choice as it is a choice for you if someone blows cigarette smoke in your face.


I can choose to socially distance myself from that person if he/she refuses to put out the cigarette when I politely ask (if it really bothers me). If the company allows smoking, I can choose to work or not work there if they refuse to change their policies. Most companies were already trying a balance by having smoking sections to make both sides happy (because they want to maximize customers and pleasing both sides is to their benefit).

If the climate gets warmer, we can adapt. Alaska real estate will go up while Floridians will need to move. Remember that it won't happen in a day. 2012 is just a movie and a HUGE exaggeration. Likely, some nations will offer refuge to islanders from island nations about to sink.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:26 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Climate change is a natural process and the world was actually much hotter during the time of the dinosaurs. Yes, humans are partly but likely not all to blame.


Scientists disagree with you


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