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by Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:07 pm
by Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:08 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Just for the record no the current rate of global warming is not natural and it has long since been conclusively been proven to be caused by industrial civilization.
by Spirit of Hope » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:09 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah they'll respect your views until they stab you in the neck for being a Jew lover lol. I don't think you actually have much experience in the world, which seems to be common for libertarians.
If they stab me, they should go to prison because by stabbing me, they violated my freedom to live (assuming I was murdered). Until they stab me, let them spout their views (outside of the workplace). I dislike the idea of 'thought crimes.'
Imperializt Russia wrote:Support biblical marriage! One SoH and as many wives and sex slaves as he can afford!
by Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:09 pm
Kowani wrote:Anyway, Trump's US Attorney pick in Georgia dismisses election fraud claims
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:10 pm
We can even see that since, as the support for harsh drug sentences eroded, so did their policy. Arguably it was the worst example you could have picked since it's like, the only example of the US buckling to popular will.
by Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:10 pm
by Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:10 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:Just for the record no the current rate of global warming is not natural and it has long since been conclusively been proven to be caused by industrial civilization.
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race - the based 14 words
by Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:10 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Page wrote:
Also all she wanted at first was for McDonald's to pay her medical bills (which were in the five digits cause 'Murika) but they refused, the hot coffee lawsuit was basically just a jury rightfully punishing McDonald's for being dicks.
If the USA had nationalized health care, this wouldn't have been a problem. Why does a major industrial power have the money to invade other countries and have the number one most expensive military BUT it can't afford basic healthcare for burns and broken bones?
Of course, Biden will likely support something awful like Obamacare instead of a reasonable plan.
Basic health care should be a right and not a privilege (one issue where I actually agree with some socialists). However, I don't think McDonald's should have had to pay for her injuries. They were not being unfair.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Just for the record no the current rate of global warming is not natural and it has long since been conclusively been proven to be caused by industrial civilization.
by Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:11 pm
Kowani wrote:And it looks like Rudy will Not be getting paid after all
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:11 pm
by Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:12 pm
Adamede wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Either way, drug use is a poor example since that was a bottom-up swell and not a top-down dictation.
How does that make any meaningful distinction?
We can even see that since, as the support for harsh drug sentences eroded, so did their policy. Arguably it was the worst example you could have picked since it's like, the only example of the US buckling to popular will.
It’s hardly the only. The legality of various forms of sexual relationships between consenting adults is another one.
And “buckling to public will” has nothing to do with my point.
by Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:12 pm
Adamede wrote:It’s hardly the only. The legality of various forms of sexual relationships between consenting adults is another one.
by The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:12 pm
Andsed wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
If the USA had nationalized health care, this wouldn't have been a problem. Why does a major industrial power have the money to invade other countries and have the number one most expensive military BUT it can't afford basic healthcare for burns and broken bones?
Of course, Biden will likely support something awful like Obamacare instead of a reasonable plan.
Basic health care should be a right and not a privilege (one issue where I actually agree with some socialists). However, I don't think McDonald's should have had to pay for her injuries. They were not being unfair.
McDonald was serving coffee at temperature where it could give someone third degree burns. They were being extremely reckless and deserved that lawsuit.Washington Resistance Army wrote:Just for the record no the current rate of global warming is not natural and it has long since been conclusively been proven to be caused by industrial civilization.
It is so disheartening to see how many people believe in climate change misinformation that makes them think its not something we need to take action on now.
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:14 pm
Valrifell wrote:Adamede wrote:How does that make any meaningful distinction?
It’s hardly the only. The legality of various forms of sexual relationships between consenting adults is another one.
And “buckling to public will” has nothing to do with my point.
The drug policy was a popular sweep, this means that it functionally makes no difference if the government legislated on it or not, since the effects on job security would have been identical until like the 90s.
It's an example of where libertarian ideology would have failed in an equal way to the state, because the people were super against it.
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:14 pm
Adamede wrote:Senkaku wrote:^
Again, that’s not my fucking point dude.
I’m not saying that the governor shouldn’t legislate based on ethics, because yes captain obvious, that’s what all laws are based on. What I’m saying is that the government doesn’t need to make a law for every single ethical debate.
That simple enough for you?
by Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:14 pm
Valrifell wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:Just for the record no the current rate of global warming is not natural and it has long since been conclusively been proven to be caused by industrial civilization.
Corporate climate scientists knew in the 1950s that there was strong evidence for industrially induced climate change, but instead of actually fixing the problem took their headstart in noticing the problem to develop a killer PR campaign that spreads misinformation and sows doubt to the general public to this day.
Heck, even said PR tactics are well studied by philosophers of science, psychologists, and advertisers, because of how effective it was at causing uncertainty in the face of insurmountable evidence and a consensus among scientists.
by Kexholm Karelia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:14 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Valrifell wrote:
You understand that giving corporations the ability to fire people for shits is something that you, as a right-libertarian, are indirectly supporting?
They should have the legal right to fire people but ethically it is wrong. The government should set a good example and never fire people for their opinions outside of work (as long as they don't wear the work uniform or post from a government website).
My hope is that more people will agree to disagree and respect people's opinions even if they are controversial. People need to be less petty and we can have more harmony. The people that fired the employees behaved like mini tyrants. I bet they are the same people that criticized Xi Jinping or Kim Jong-Il or Stalin for 'human rights violations' and not allowing freedom of speech BUT they also behave like a tyrant when given the opportunity.
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:15 pm
Senkaku wrote:Adamede wrote:It’s hardly the only. The legality of various forms of sexual relationships between consenting adults is another one.
Yes, social norms changed, and the law changed as a result. I don't know how much more clearly you could illustrate Val and Huang's initial point. All laws are based on normative beliefs, which may be contested... which is what we have politics for.
by Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:15 pm
Adamede wrote:Senkaku wrote:^
Again, that’s not my fucking point dude.
I’m not saying that the governor shouldn’t legislate based on ethics, because yes captain obvious, that’s what all laws are based on. What I’m saying is that the government doesn’t need to make a law for every single ethical debate.
That simple enough for you?
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:16 pm
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Adamede wrote:Again, that’s not my fucking point dude.
I’m not saying that the governor shouldn’t legislate based on ethics, because yes captain obvious, that’s what all laws are based on. What I’m saying is that the government doesn’t need to make a law for every single ethical debate.
That simple enough for you?
What's the bright line?
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:16 pm
by Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:17 pm
Adamede wrote:Senkaku wrote:Yes, social norms changed, and the law changed as a result. I don't know how much more clearly you could illustrate Val and Huang's initial point. All laws are based on normative beliefs, which may be contested... which is what we have politics for.
And ethics will change again. And that’s why there are some ethical debates that the government shouldn’t concern itself with ultimately.
by Myrensis » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:17 pm
Kowani wrote:Anyway, Trump's US Attorney pick in Georgia dismisses election fraud claims
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:18 pm
by Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:18 pm
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