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by The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:58 pm
by Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:58 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:59 pm
by Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:00 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:
1) Yes, the coffee was hot. Yes, I feel bad she was hurt. yes, the US needs national healthcare so she could have gotten her burns taken care of without demanding money from McDonald's.
Yes, she was wrong to have sued McDonald's.
I don't find the situation funny. I feel upset that a sneaky lawyer likely encouraged her to sue for a ridiculous amount.
Would she even have made that much money if the coffee made her paralyzed
She died 12 years later meaning she was awarded over $50,000 per year of her remaining life because of a burn which did not paralyze or kill her.
Her remaining life was likely worth around $20,000 X 12= $240,000 (it depends if she had investment income or just SSN). Likely, she would not have worked full-time from age 79-91 (and she still got the same social security payment).
The burn did not reduce her income. Also, most workers in their prime years do not make $640,000 over a 12-year period and remember, the coffee burn would not have stopped 12 years of income. Even if the coffee burn killed her, the lawsuit seems too steep just going by estimated value of her remaining life (valuing a human life is quite controversial but it is done in courts).
2) Yes, McDonald's showed attractive people eating their food. Cindy Crawford enjoyed Pepsi. Paris Hilton enjoyed Carl Jr.'s. The company never said you will become slim and attractive by just eating their food.
3) Movie poster lawsuit. She lost the case but the fact she sued and scared the company (and wasted the court's time) is a problem. She is a greedy and shameless woman.
Showtime Beats Lawsuit Over Scary 'Dexter' Subway Poster. She lives in New York City and likely sees scarier things every day if she takes the subway.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-e ... er-1182878
She claimed Showtime intentionally and negligently created a hazard for pedestrians by placing a "disturbing, provocative, shocking and fear inducing" image on the stairs and argued the New York City Transit Authority, MTA and CBS were liable for negligence for allowing the ad to be placed in that location.
People are greedy by nature. Libertarians try to ensure this greed doesn't reduce the freedoms of others and is kept in check. Greed is good until it reduces others' freedoms and hurts other people (offering unhealthy choices to customers is not hurting people).
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:00 pm
by Cordel One » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:00 pm
Senkaku wrote:You're like the alt-right Facebook aunt version of Kowani.
by Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:00 pm
Page wrote:Senkaku wrote:You know a woman was actually horrifically burned all over her body by literal boiling-hot coffee at McDonald's, and when she sued them, they ran a smear campaign to turn her into a national punchline like this?
A lot of McDonald's content from you today, but I'll take your point more broadly on health issues created by corporate products, whether it's hamburgers or cigarettes or talc baby powder. It turns out, when you're presented with only unhealthy options to put in your body, or you're told things are healthy which are in fact terrible for you, you're not in control of the situation and the adverse health effects that result could hardly be said to be your fault.
I haven't heard of this happening, and it does sound pretty funny, but given the level of insight you show in the rest of this post, I'm almost afraid the actual story is some terrible tragedy where the company really was at fault.
No, libertarians have been hoodwinked by corporate propaganda to advocate politically for the financial interests of vast, impersonal entities that couldn't care less if they lived or died.
Also all she wanted at first was for McDonald's to pay her medical bills (which were in the five digits cause 'Murika) but they refused, the hot coffee lawsuit was basically just a jury rightfully punishing McDonald's for being dicks.
by Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:01 pm
Kowani wrote:these fucking geniuses
the FBI is using Baked Alaska's livestream to track down the rioters
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:01 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Bombadil wrote:
Actually all of it was about liability of companies, it's part of a much broader attack on the right of individuals to sue companies under Tort law. The whole dismissal of her case is part of a PR campaign to muddy the issue, your attitude has been created and defined by others aiming to strip you of your rights.
Do you question climate change, or think smoking is a case of individual rights? These messages have been created for you to think.
Climate change is a natural process and the world was actually much hotter during the time of the dinosaurs. Yes, humans are partly but likely not all to blame. Tree planting campaigns can help solve the problem. Anyways, it is about choice and you are not forced to drive a gas guzzler or use coal at home if you are a tree-hugger just as people should be allowed to eat meat or not eat meat based on their ethics.
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:02 pm
by Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:03 pm
Adamede wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Legislating based on ethics is kind of the government's whole shabang.
Thing is ethics are arbitrary and subjective.
For example, many people consider drug use ethically wrong. Many don’t. However drugs are heavily regulated and criminalized and drug users face harsh jail sentences in the US, due to legislating ethics.
by Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:03 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:However, I don't think McDonald's should have had to pay for her injuries. They were not being unfair.
by Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:04 pm
Valrifell wrote:Adamede wrote:Thing is ethics are arbitrary and subjective.
For example, many people consider drug use ethically wrong. Many don’t. However drugs are heavily regulated and criminalized and drug users face harsh jail sentences in the US, due to legislating ethics.
Arbitrary? No. Subjective? Maybe.
For instance folks may consider drug use to be unethical because it harms their loved ones through addiction and their community through lost productivity.
by Comerciante » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:04 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:However, I don't think McDonald's should have had to pay for her injuries. They were not being unfair.
by Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:04 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:05 pm
by Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:05 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Just for the record no the current rate of global warming is not natural and it has long since been conclusively been proven to be caused by industrial civilization.
by Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:06 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
As long as they are just stating their opinions and not actually killing people, it is fine. I respect their right to have an opinion. I am sure they dislike my pro-Israel views, but I would hope they would respect my right to have that opinion as well and be respectful to me at work.
Yeah they'll respect your views until they stab you in the neck for being a Jew lover lol. I don't think you actually have much experience in the world, which seems to be common for libertarians.
by Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:06 pm
Valrifell wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:Just for the record no the current rate of global warming is not natural and it has long since been conclusively been proven to be caused by industrial civilization.
Corporate climate scientists knew in the 1950s that there was strong evidence for industrially induced climate change, but instead of actually fixing the problem took their headstart in noticing the problem to develop a killer PR campaign that spreads misinformation and sows doubt to the general public to this day.
Heck, even said PR tactics are well studied by philosophers of science, psychologists, and advertisers, because of how effective it was at causing uncertainty in the face of insurmountable evidence and a consensus among scientists.
by Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:06 pm
by Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:06 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Climate change is a natural process and the world was actually much hotter during the time of the dinosaurs.
I support propaganda campaigns to discourage smoking and the dangers can be discussed in public schools. However, private businesses should have the right to allow or not allow smoking and adults (16+) should be allowed to smoke. Cigarette companies should be restricted from putting dangerous poisons in their cigarettes but natural tobacco (and non-dangerous chemicals) should be allowed as long as they are on a label (I agree in some regulations but as limited and as reasonable as possible).
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:07 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah they'll respect your views until they stab you in the neck for being a Jew lover lol. I don't think you actually have much experience in the world, which seems to be common for libertarians.
If they stab me, they should go to prison because by stabbing me, they violated my freedom to live (assuming I was murdered). Until they stab me, let them spout their views (outside of the workplace). I dislike the idea of 'thought crimes.'
by Comerciante » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:07 pm
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