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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:41 pm

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Omniabstracta wrote:Many American libertarians seem like “conservatives who like weed,” who abandon their scruples and vote for any old Republican who comes along. There are a few principled libertarians who I at least respect, even if I strongly disagree with them, but they’re few and far between.


Many people feel 'trapped' by the two party system and vote for the lesser of two evils. Perhaps an election similar to how awards are voted in baseball could allow minor parties to gain votes. For example, people could be allowed to have 2nd and 3rd place choices and these would count as 0.5 and 0.3 votes (an example). People would then be less afraid of casting a second place vote for a candidate they like more.

Another idea is allow seats based on percentage of votes. If a minor party captures 10% of the vote, they could get 10% of the seats. I believe some European nations have a similar multiparty system.

And you're working hard in several states to change the election laws to incorporate those ideas, right?
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Postby Diahon » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:41 pm

trump is impeached

again

the gop senate doesn't have the balĺs or the spine to end someone who nearly actually killed them, and only ten reps actually did the right thing at the end of the day, but i still feel warm inside, so fuck them



and fuck her four fucking times, especially if it comes to light that she had a hand on last wednesday's sacking
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:41 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:Many American libertarians seem like “conservatives who like weed,” who abandon their scruples and vote for any old Republican who comes along. There are a few principled libertarians who I at least respect, even if I strongly disagree with them, but they’re few and far between.


Many people feel 'trapped' by the two party system and vote for the lesser of two evils. Perhaps an election similar to how awards are voted in baseball could allow minor parties to gain votes. For example, people could be allowed to have 2nd and 3rd place choices and these would count as 0.5 and 0.3 votes (an example). People would then be less afraid of casting a second place vote for a candidate they like more.

Another idea is allow seats based on percentage of votes. If a minor party captures 10% of the vote, they could get 10% of the seats. I believe some European nations have a similar multiparty system.

indeed, Proportional Representation is pretty widespread
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:42 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:

Impeachment means nothing anymore lol


Republicans, after the Ukraine Scandal during Trump's first impeachment: "The Democrats are weaponizing the impeachment procedure for petty partisan politics!"

Republicans now: "Fuck it, we gotta impeach Biden for breathing"
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:42 pm



For having been drunk and behind the wheel of the Truck that killed his first wife and daughter back in 1972. She has the proof.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:43 pm

Seems to me that at a state level the GOP is thoroughly corrupted by Trump, while at the Federal level many just played along to get what they want at the state level they've drunk the kool aid so much they're as orange as the man himself.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Impeachment means nothing anymore lol


Republicans, after the Ukraine Scandal during Trump's first impeachment: "The Democrats are weaponizing the impeachment procedure for petty partisan politics!"

Republicans now: "Fuck it, we gotta impeach Biden for breathing"

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Postby Esternial » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:43 pm


Give it 8 more years and this'll be standard procedure.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:44 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:Many American libertarians seem like “conservatives who like weed,” who abandon their scruples and vote for any old Republican who comes along. There are a few principled libertarians who I at least respect, even if I strongly disagree with them, but they’re few and far between.


Many people feel 'trapped' by the two party system and vote for the lesser of two evils. Perhaps an election similar to how awards are voted in baseball could allow minor parties to gain votes. For example, people could be allowed to have 2nd and 3rd place choices and these would count as 0.5 and 0.3 votes (an example). People would then be less afraid of casting a second place vote for a candidate they like more.

Another idea is allow seats based on percentage of votes. If a minor party captures 10% of the vote, they could get 10% of the seats. I believe some European nations have a similar multiparty system.

I quite like range voting to make things more proportional while keeping the idea of local representatives in place (after ungerrymandering everything, obviously): Give each candidate a rating, how you feel about them on a scale of 1-5, the one with the average highest score wins. It lets you pass a meaningful value judgement on how much you agree with each candidate’s views, producing a much more accurate and nuanced electoral result.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:46 pm

nvm
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Postby Esternial » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:46 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Impeachment means nothing anymore lol


Republicans, after the Ukraine Scandal during Trump's first impeachment: "The Democrats are weaponizing the impeachment procedure for petty partisan politics!"

Republicans now: "Fuck it, we gotta impeach Biden for breathing"

It's just one Rep that's gone off her rocker, for once can we not include half the northern hemisphere in one political tart's mad plot?

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Postby Diahon » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:46 pm

Esternial wrote:

Give it 8 more years and this'll be standard procedure.


the gop will be dead as fuck well before then, and good fucking riddance

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:47 pm

Esternial wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Republicans, after the Ukraine Scandal during Trump's first impeachment: "The Democrats are weaponizing the impeachment procedure for petty partisan politics!"

Republicans now: "Fuck it, we gotta impeach Biden for breathing"

It's just one Rep that's gone off her rocker, for once can we not include half the northern hemisphere in one political tart's mad plot?


I'll remember this when the majority of House Republicans vote for impeachment.

Just kidding I'll completely forget, I have the memory of a fish
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:47 pm

Esternial wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Republicans, after the Ukraine Scandal during Trump's first impeachment: "The Democrats are weaponizing the impeachment procedure for petty partisan politics!"

Republicans now: "Fuck it, we gotta impeach Biden for breathing"

It's just one Rep that's gone off her rocker, for once can we not include half the northern hemisphere in one political tart's mad plot?


Is it though, near everything I hear coming out of state level GOP seems deluded.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:48 pm

Esternial wrote:

Give it 8 more years and this'll be standard procedure.


Finally becoming a formality ten years after and then in twenty a rite of passage when each POTUS's term is completed.
Donald Trump has no clue as to what "insuring the domestic tranquility" means

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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:48 pm

Diahon wrote:
Esternial wrote:Give it 8 more years and this'll be standard procedure.


the gop will be dead as fuck well before then, and good fucking riddance


We've said that before. Never happens.
Donald Trump has no clue as to what "insuring the domestic tranquility" means

The Baltimore Orioles are shocking the baseball world!

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Postby Esternial » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Esternial wrote:It's just one Rep that's gone off her rocker, for once can we not include half the northern hemisphere in one political tart's mad plot?


Is it though, near everything I hear coming out of state level GOP seems deluded.

OK, that's fair, multiple tarts then. A bakery of political smoke and mirrors.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Esternial wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Republicans, after the Ukraine Scandal during Trump's first impeachment: "The Democrats are weaponizing the impeachment procedure for petty partisan politics!"

Republicans now: "Fuck it, we gotta impeach Biden for breathing"

It's just one Rep that's gone off her rocker, for once can we not include half the northern hemisphere in one political tart's mad plot?

There's a few more Reps than just her.

Remember, Cruz and Hawley were giving speeches about how Trump supporters need to block the certification by any means necessary just 10 minutes before the Capitol Building was stormed.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:50 pm

Esternial wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Is it though, near everything I hear coming out of state level GOP seems deluded.

OK, that's fair, multiple tarts then. A bakery of political smoke and mirrors.

With a goldbrick oven.
Donald Trump has no clue as to what "insuring the domestic tranquility" means

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:51 pm

New haven america wrote:
Esternial wrote:It's just one Rep that's gone off her rocker, for once can we not include half the northern hemisphere in one political tart's mad plot?

There's a few more Reps than just her.

Remember, Cruz and Hawley were giving speeches about how Trump supporters need to block the certification by any means necessary just 10 minutes because the Capitol Building was stormed.


And they then still voted to block certification for PA and AZ.
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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:51 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Esternial wrote:Give it 8 more years and this'll be standard procedure.


Finally becoming a formality ten years after and then in twenty a rite of passage when each POTUS's term is completed.


Welcome to tonight's coverage of Decision 2040, where the People decide who will be the next President of the Untied States to be Impeached...

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:52 pm

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Freiheit Reich wrote:
Actually, many big corporations favor regulations and bailouts when it benefits them. Libertarians are against big bailouts and regulations (like regulations blocking Air BNB and Uber in favor or major hotel chains and taxi companies, or regulations that ban importing drugs from Canada, or restaurants trying to prevent food trucks from their neighborhoods) and free money which favors big companies (such as taxes to pay for profession sports stadiums)

Libertarians might be more the party of the upper middle class (like small business owners) and the GOP and oddly certain democrats seem to favor certain wealthy types (ex. owners of companies that benefit from the industrial military complex and industrial prison complex and major league sports owners and the Hollywood elite).

Many libertarians have major issues with Trump. I lean more libertarian than republican and I also have major issues with Trump as well (but Biden/Harris are much worse because they agree with Trump on many of his worst points and disagree on most of his good points).


I feel like you're doing a good job reading the small parts of the print, but not the whole page. Big corporations favor regulations and bailouts when it benefits them. You're correct. The key word is when it benefits them. When a corporation acts against the interests of society as a whole, and only in their own self-interest, generally a regulatory framework to mitigate that abuse does not benefit them. And they certainly wouldn't favor it.

Trump is the king of crony capitalism, has been his whole life. If I were still in that libertarian mindset, I'd be more outraged by a wannabe authoritarian and nepotistic, crony capitalist than I would a moderate neoliberal, as the former stands in direct contrast to the individual liberties and freedom that your ideology professes to uphold.


I just hope Biden treats all businesses equally and doesn't favor big corporations over the common people. I also hope Biden goes against the the prison and military industrial complexes. However, if Biden is now against corporate bailouts, he needs to apologize for being misguided regarding the auto bailout (whether the bailout worked or not-it was unethical to favor such a plan). He is also not so big on civil freedoms (unless he has changed and became wiser in the last few years):

Joe Biden Keeps Touting The Auto Bailout As A Success. Here’s The Full Story

https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/22/joe- ... ull-story/

“President Obama and I rescued the auto industry and helped Michigan’s economy come roaring back,” Biden tweeted on Sept. 9.

Am I wrong to assume you are a green party supporter (they seem to be less in favor of crony capitalism if I understand that party's ideas correctly)?
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Postby Diahon » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:52 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Diahon wrote:
the gop will be dead as fuck well before then, and good fucking riddance


We've said that before. Never happens.


when you have corporate donors backing the fuck off, when the stench of trump exudes from every malevolent fiber, when your electoral base writes you off for either abetting trump or not dying for him?

bastard, it dead

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:52 pm

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Postby Esternial » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:54 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Esternial wrote:It's just one Rep that's gone off her rocker, for once can we not include half the northern hemisphere in one political tart's mad plot?


I'll remember this when the majority of House Republicans vote for impeachment.

Just kidding I'll completely forget, I have the memory of a fish

Please don't make me eat my words, I shouldn't eat this close to bedtime.

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