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Freiheit Reich
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:25 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Not going to happen. Many people are sheep that like the security felt from big brother controlling them. many also don't believe in personal responsibility. If you spill hot coffee on yourself or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers, or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs, it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).


Don’t you mean “I’ve got mine. Screw you all!”

Libertarians have been trying to be main stream for oh shoot.....since I was at uni. They haven’t achieved much in all that time.

It’s almost like it’s some kind of hipster thing so they can say they aren’t republicans.


There are huge differences. Foreign invasions and the Patriot Act are just 2 major differences among many.

The idea of libertarianism is not a brand new idea. Sadly, it is not mainstream enough. I suppose it is better to send people to several years in prison for stealing a slice of pizza (Jerry Dewayne Williams), give away money to foreign nations that hate us (ex. Pakistan), ban people from renting out their homes which they 'own', ban young men from buying and drinking beer but treat them as adults if they steal alcohol, and invade foreign nations that did nothing to the USA (ex. Iraq, Vietnam). All of these ideas are supported by many republicans and democrats and reasons they are both dangerous parties.

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:26 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Oh look, 538 is keeping track of his impeachment numbers. So far not too many polls but here's where it stands:

Overall, 52.6% support impeachment while 41.8% oppose it. Among those supporting removal, 84.2% of Democrats support it while 48% of Independents and 15.2% do when broken down.

If we to compare what his numbers were in his first impeachment, here they are:

49.4% supported impeachment while 45.6% opposed it by the end of said first impeachment. Among those supporting removal, 84.3% of Democrats support it while 42.2% of Independents and 9% do when broken down.

The Ukraine Scandal showed the public was more closely divided as 95% of Americans had an opinion on the topic and were deeply divided; that divide was 3.8 points. Same holds true for the number for opinion size: 94.4% have an opinion, statistically unchanged. However, the numbers supporting impeachment climbed 3.2% points while there was a 3.8% point drop for opposing it, making the divide bigger at 10.8 points.

So to conclude, Trump standing worst, especially since more independents and Republicans support his removal; Democrats are about the same.

Also his approval rating has plummented not the lowest in his term but it has taken a big ass hit.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:27 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:A ball of confusion.

A ball of something, anyway. *looks sideways at the sudden influx of dung beetles in DC*


Oh, it was and still is confusion. From drained swamp straight to world's largest outhouse.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:28 pm

Andsed wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Oh look, 538 is keeping track of his impeachment numbers. So far not too many polls but here's where it stands:

Overall, 52.6% support impeachment while 41.8% oppose it. Among those supporting removal, 84.2% of Democrats support it while 48% of Independents and 15.2% do when broken down.

If we to compare what his numbers were in his first impeachment, here they are:

49.4% supported impeachment while 45.6% opposed it by the end of said first impeachment. Among those supporting removal, 84.3% of Democrats support it while 42.2% of Independents and 9% do when broken down.

The Ukraine Scandal showed the public was more closely divided as 95% of Americans had an opinion on the topic and were deeply divided; that divide was 3.8 points. Same holds true for the number for opinion size: 94.4% have an opinion, statistically unchanged. However, the numbers supporting impeachment climbed 3.2% points while there was a 3.8% point drop for opposing it, making the divide bigger at 10.8 points.

So to conclude, Trump standing worst, especially since more independents and Republicans support his removal; Democrats are about the same.

Also in terms of his approval rating it has plummented not the lowest in his term but it has taken a big ass hit.

How many disapproved because he didn't declare martial law, I wonder?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:30 pm

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Fucking lmao do you actually believe this bullshit? :lol2:

Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.


I bet if her coffee came out lukewarm, she would have complained and asked for a refill. This is a lesson to be careful when handling hot drinks. This should be common sense just like you should be careful when cutting meat to avoid cutting off your finger. Wait! Cutting knives are sharp? I better sue the company for $1 million if I cut off my finger by accident.

Humans are getting quite ridiculous. It would be comical if I were an alien watching from afar instead of being among other humans and having to be exposed to such foolishness.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:33 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.


I bet if her coffee came out lukewarm, she would have complained and asked for a refill. This is a lesson to be careful when handling hot drinks. This should be common sense just like you should be careful when cutting meat to avoid cutting off your finger. Wait! Cutting knives are sharp? I better sue the company for $1 million if I cut off my finger by accident.

Humans are getting quite ridiculous. It would be comical if I were an alien watching from afar instead of being among other humans and having to be exposed to such foolishness.

She literally got third degree burns. The coffee was not just hot, it was scalding and way above safe levels. The woman was not even suing McDonald's, she was literally just asking for them to help with her medical bills. The idea of her suing for some payday over a minor inconvenience is just a McDonald's smear campaign.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.


I bet if her coffee came out lukewarm, she would have complained and asked for a refill. This is a lesson to be careful when handling hot drinks. This should be common sense just like you should be careful when cutting meat to avoid cutting off your finger. Wait! Cutting knives are sharp? I better sue the company for $1 million if I cut off my finger by accident.

Humans are getting quite ridiculous. It would be comical if I were an alien watching from afar instead of being among other humans and having to be exposed to such foolishness.

Have you seen the images of the injuries she got?
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Postby Omniabstracta » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:34 pm

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:35 pm

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:35 pm


Your choice. Just don't roll your eyes too hard, you could sprain them. You don't want an Ace bandage wrapped around your eyes, believe me.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:36 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.


I bet if her coffee came out lukewarm, she would have complained and asked for a refill. This is a lesson to be careful when handling hot drinks. This should be common sense just like you should be careful when cutting meat to avoid cutting off your finger. Wait! Cutting knives are sharp? I better sue the company for $1 million if I cut off my finger by accident.

Humans are getting quite ridiculous. It would be comical if I were an alien watching from afar instead of being among other humans and having to be exposed to such foolishness.


Actually all of it was about liability of companies, it's part of a much broader attack on the right of individuals to sue companies under Tort law. The whole dismissal of her case is part of a PR campaign to muddy the issue, your attitude has been created and defined by others aiming to strip you of your rights.

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:36 pm


Betting 5 bucks shes gonna try and use the BLM protests against Biden for incitement in some weird statement about double standards or some other rubbish. Its going to get laughed out and I am so down for it.
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Postby Comerciante » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:37 pm

Andsed wrote:She literally got third degree burns.

For those of us not aware third-degree burns are defined by google as:

Third-degree (full thickness) burns. Third-degree burns destroy the epidermis and dermis. Third-degree burns may also damage the underlying bones, muscles, and tendons. The burn site appears white or charred. There is no sensation in the area since the nerve endings are destroyed.

Edit: It's a good thing she didn't drink it, she might have died.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:38 pm


They should track down all of the insurrectionists and arrest them, its good they posted selfies to identify them
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:39 pm

Comerciante wrote:
Andsed wrote:She literally got third degree burns.

For those of us not aware third-degree burns are defined by google as:

Third-degree (full thickness) burns. Third-degree burns destroy the epidermis and dermis. Third-degree burns may also damage the underlying bones, muscles, and tendons. The burn site appears white or charred. There is no sensation in the area since the nerve endings are destroyed.

Edit: It's a good thing she didn't drink it, she might have died.

Yeah the burns were not just a bit painful like hitting your head on something, she had to go to the hospital and get skin grafts. Like she was not wrong suing McDonalds cause there is no reason coffee should be that hot.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:39 pm

Right wing conservative
Media is the enemy of the people
CCP delenda est
orange man bad. diversity is our strength. real communism hasn’t been tried yet. the hong kong protestors are paid by the cia. antifa protestors are good, hong kong protestors are american bootlickers. China is a better alternative to America. uyghur genocide isn’t real, and it is western propaganda. Trump should not have killed Soleimani. gender is a social construct invented by white supremacists.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:39 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:

They should track down all of the insurrectionists and arrest them, its good they posted selfies to identify them

Weren't you just saying a couple days ago how the insurrectionists are patriots who were just trying to protect America and Trump from the ebil dems?
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Postby Roswell 1947 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:39 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Plus there was more to that coffee case that meets the eye. Like it causing third degree burns when she only spilled a small amount on herself.


I bet if her coffee came out lukewarm, she would have complained and asked for a refill. This is a lesson to be careful when handling hot drinks. This should be common sense just like you should be careful when cutting meat to avoid cutting off your finger. Wait! Cutting knives are sharp? I better sue the company for $1 million if I cut off my finger by accident.

Humans are getting quite ridiculous. It would be comical if I were an alien watching from afar instead of being among other humans and having to be exposed to such foolishness.


Tbh, we don't believe there's any safe distance far enough away from the human's planet. A plan to resolve this dilemma is in the works.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:40 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Don’t you mean “I’ve got mine. Screw you all!”

Libertarians have been trying to be main stream for oh shoot.....since I was at uni. They haven’t achieved much in all that time.

It’s almost like it’s some kind of hipster thing so they can say they aren’t republicans.

Many American libertarians seem like “conservatives who like weed,” who abandon their scruples and vote for any old Republican who comes along. There are a few principled libertarians who I at least respect, even if I strongly disagree with them, but they’re few and far between.


Many people feel 'trapped' by the two party system and vote for the lesser of two evils. Perhaps an election similar to how awards are voted in baseball could allow minor parties to gain votes. For example, people could be allowed to have 2nd and 3rd place choices and these would count as 0.5 and 0.3 votes (an example). People would then be less afraid of casting a second place vote for a candidate they like more.

Another idea is allow seats based on percentage of votes. If a minor party captures 10% of the vote, they could get 10% of the seats. I believe some European nations have a similar multiparty system.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:40 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:They should track down all of the insurrectionists and arrest them, its good they posted selfies to identify them

Weren't you just saying a couple days ago how the insurrectionists are patriots who were just trying to protect America and Trump from the ebil dems?

No?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:41 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:They should track down all of the insurrectionists and arrest them, its good they posted selfies to identify them

Weren't you just saying a couple days ago how the insurrectionists are patriots who were just trying to protect America and Trump from the ebil dems?


No he wasn't and you know it and are just being disingenuous.
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