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Nakena wrote:A lot of people used to be libertarian or sympathizing with the idea. But it's not really standing the test of time.


I used to be sympathetic towards the Libertarian Party. Then I turned 15.
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Nakena wrote:A lot of people used to be libertarian or sympathizing with the idea. But it's not really standing the test of time.

Libertarianism is just corporate slop.


No its like something that seemed a good idea in better times. Like in 2012 all the cool kids were libertarian leaning. But if someone STILL is today... it just shows a lot of ignorance and lack of political evolution and understanding of what happened.

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Nakena wrote:A lot of people used to be libertarian or sympathizing with the idea. But it's not really standing the test of time.


Because it's bullshit lol.
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Freiheit Reich wrote:If you spill hot coffee on yourself

You know a woman was actually horrifically burned all over her body by literal boiling-hot coffee at McDonald's, and when she sued them, they ran a smear campaign to turn her into a national punchline like this?

or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers,

A lot of McDonald's content from you today, but I'll take your point more broadly on health issues created by corporate products, whether it's hamburgers or cigarettes or talc baby powder. It turns out, when you're presented with only unhealthy options to put in your body, or you're told things are healthy which are in fact terrible for you, you're not in control of the situation and the adverse health effects that result could hardly be said to be your fault.
or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs,

I haven't heard of this happening, and it does sound pretty funny, but given the level of insight you show in the rest of this post, I'm almost afraid the actual story is some terrible tragedy where the company really was at fault.

it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

No, libertarians have been hoodwinked by corporate propaganda to advocate politically for the financial interests of vast, impersonal entities that couldn't care less if they lived or died.


Also all she wanted at first was for McDonald's to pay her medical bills (which were in the five digits cause 'Murika) but they refused, the hot coffee lawsuit was basically just a jury rightfully punishing McDonald's for being dicks.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:18 pm

Nakena wrote:A lot of people used to be libertarian or sympathizing with the idea. But it's not really standing the test of time.


It rarely does. Libertarianism is an ideology that appeals to 16 year olds who think the world will revolve around them, that they will be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want and that they will be in charge.

Then usually they read about one of the numerous horror stories of corporations paying their way out of trouble and the whole edifice kinda falls apart.
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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:19 pm

Nakena wrote:A lot of people used to be libertarian or sympathizing with the idea. But it's not really standing the test of time.


Not necessarily. I mean, almost nobody I know is actually opposed to the idea of individual autonomy, liberty, or the right to spend the product of their own labor as they please. The trouble is that most people (including myself) arrive at Libertarianism at an age where someone else is footing their not dying of hunger and exposure expenses. Once they get the boot, as it were, and realize how not dying of hunger and exposure means working with other people, means having to compromise a little because one is not the only one with rights to liberty and labor...well, some moderate at least a little bit.

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He just gave the senate more evidence

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Kowani wrote:Republicans are already turning on each other

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Yes. Good. Let the party devour itself.
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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:A post you made


At least Benedict Arnold was a competent military General ;)

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FFS he's No True Scotsman-ing his supporters 3 times :rofl:
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:21 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Nakena wrote:A lot of people used to be libertarian or sympathizing with the idea. But it's not really standing the test of time.


It rarely does. Libertarianism is an ideology that appeals to 16 year olds who think the world will revolve around them, that they will be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want and that they will be in charge.

Then usually they read about one of the numerous horror stories of corporations paying their way out of trouble and the whole edifice kinda falls apart.


Libertarianism sounds nice if you don't think about how it would realistically work.

Once you do though, the illusion shatters and reality cold-clocks you.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:21 pm

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Senkaku wrote:You know a woman was actually horrifically burned all over her body by literal boiling-hot coffee at McDonald's, and when she sued them, they ran a smear campaign to turn her into a national punchline like this?


A lot of McDonald's content from you today, but I'll take your point more broadly on health issues created by corporate products, whether it's hamburgers or cigarettes or talc baby powder. It turns out, when you're presented with only unhealthy options to put in your body, or you're told things are healthy which are in fact terrible for you, you're not in control of the situation and the adverse health effects that result could hardly be said to be your fault.

I haven't heard of this happening, and it does sound pretty funny, but given the level of insight you show in the rest of this post, I'm almost afraid the actual story is some terrible tragedy where the company really was at fault.


No, libertarians have been hoodwinked by corporate propaganda to advocate politically for the financial interests of vast, impersonal entities that couldn't care less if they lived or died.


Also all she wanted at first was for McDonald's to pay her medical bills (which were in the five digits cause 'Murika) but they refused, the hot coffee lawsuit was basically just a jury rightfully punishing McDonald's for being dicks.


Yeah. In many ways, the McDonalds hot coffee woman is one of the biggest examples of a corporate media smear campaign - and one of the most successful. She had every right to sue (and let's not forget she was one in a class action law suit- several hundred people were suing simultaneously) but the company spent all of their money in making her out to be some kind of idiot out to make a quick buck.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:22 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:A post you made


At least Benedict Arnold was a competent military General ;)


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Postby Page » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:23 pm

Kowani wrote:Republicans are already turning on each other


The spectacle of congressional Republicans turning on each other is nothing compared to the spectacle of Trump's fanatics arguing over whether Trump has been cucked or if he is speaking in secret codes and still has a plan to stay President.
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Postby Esternial » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:23 pm

Nakena wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Libertarianism is just corporate slop.


No its like something that seemed a good idea in better times. Like in 2012 all the cool kids were libertarian leaning. But if someone STILL is today... it just shows a lot of ignorance and lack of political evolution and understanding of what happened.

Could also be the new batch of cool kids, unless humans have stopped their assembly lines.

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:24 pm

Kowani wrote:Republicans are already turning on each other

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When did the Dems not accept the 2016 election results? Hillary conceded almost instantly after it was announced he won and the whole Russia thing was about if Russia interfered(which they did) was never really used to try and remove Trump or overturn the election(as far as I am aware) Talk about some reaching here.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:24 pm

Nakena wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Libertarianism is just corporate slop.


No its like something that seemed a good idea in better times. Like in 2012 all the cool kids were libertarian leaning. But if someone STILL is today... it just shows a lot of ignorance and lack of political evolution and understanding of what happened.


I’m still libertarian. Statism is anti-feline.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:26 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote: Statism is anti-feline.

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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:27 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Nakena wrote:
No its like something that seemed a good idea in better times. Like in 2012 all the cool kids were libertarian leaning. But if someone STILL is today... it just shows a lot of ignorance and lack of political evolution and understanding of what happened.


I’m still libertarian. Statism is anti-feline.


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Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
I’m still libertarian. Statism is anti-feline.


My cat was the most statist bastard I ever knew.


Mine too. I wanted an anarkitty but got a furry dictator.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:28 pm

So apparently Trump supporters are refusing to give any money to the GOP. Whoops
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump supporters are refusing to give any money to the GOP. Whoops

Good hopefully the party fractures.

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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:So apparently Trump supporters are refusing to give any money to the GOP. Whoops


Do they amount to that much? As opposed to, say, the entirety of corporate America.
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