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Postby Rusozak » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:04 pm

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Lawyers are supposed to be of good character? Huh.


Good character as defined by other lawyers, so if lawyers judge you to be not of sufficient character, that's saying something.
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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:04 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles wrote:
Libertarianism has a bit of a schism on Trump. I've been following the folks at Reason.com; the various contributors and editors-at-large of the publication appear extremely critical of Trump, especially as concerns claims nonsensical claims as to election fraud. On the other hand, contributors to their comments sections seem very much of an opposite opinion.

To be fair, even when I followed Libertarianism in earnest, it was mostly the Reason crowd and a selection of intellectual/university types, and that was a while ago, so my info might be out of date.


I wasn't aware there were any libertarian Trumpers, with all the "Law and Order" pro-police state talk they've been dishing out until a week ago.


At the very least, the idea that the Democratic communist horde rigged the election is popular among that subset of the masses, even while a major Libertarian publication consistently publishes otherwise. Even if they still dislike Hillary.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:04 pm

Valrifell wrote:


Lawyers are supposed to be of good character? Huh.


I believe it was Oliver Wendell Holmes who warned prospective attorneys to always assume that "the attorney sitting beside you likely only acts in bad faith, and only fears punishment."

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:05 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Many Libertarians are very similar to Republicans. In fact, I think many probably support Trump, with a few exceptions.


That's because libertarianism is a rich man's ideology, just like the GOP is a rich man's party. Their goals overlap: screw the poor in the name of "freedom" and then blame the "commies" (whoever they might be at the time; usually Dems) for ruining the country.


Actually, many big corporations favor regulations and bailouts when it benefits them. Libertarians are against big bailouts and regulations (like regulations blocking Air BNB and Uber in favor or major hotel chains and taxi companies, or regulations that ban importing drugs from Canada, or restaurants trying to prevent food trucks from their neighborhoods) and free money which favors big companies (such as taxes to pay for profession sports stadiums)

Libertarians might be more the party of the upper middle class (like small business owners) and the GOP and oddly certain democrats seem to favor certain wealthy types (ex. owners of companies that benefit from the industrial military complex and industrial prison complex and major league sports owners and the Hollywood elite).

Many libertarians have major issues with Trump. I lean more libertarian than republican and I also have major issues with Trump as well (but Biden/Harris are much worse because they agree with Trump on many of his worst points and disagree on most of his good points).
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:05 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It was some mid level nobody who has already been fired from the sounds of it. What a nothingburger.


This isn't the first time someone has suggested persecuting Trump supporters. While most people do not believe in doing this, let's not pretend there aren't some vengeful people out there who wouldn't want to.

And let's not pretend that the trump supporters will be more reasonable after hearing this.

it's project fucking veritas
if it's not bullshit, I'll buy a MAGA hat
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:06 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles wrote:
Libertarianism has a bit of a schism on Trump. I've been following the folks at Reason.com; the various contributors and editors-at-large of the publication appear extremely critical of Trump, especially as concerns claims nonsensical claims as to election fraud. On the other hand, contributors to their comments sections seem very much of an opposite opinion.

To be fair, even when I followed Libertarianism in earnest, it was mostly the Reason crowd and a selection of intellectual/university types, and that was a while ago, so my info might be out of date.


I wasn't aware there were any libertarian Trumpers, with all the "Law and Order" pro-police state talk they've been dishing out until a week ago.

I don't recall encountering many, and most were on board mostly because of his anti-taxation talk.

Also, I forgot, what's the name of the sequel to the PATRIOT act? Ain't it 20,000 pages long and full of bullshit?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:06 pm

Kowani wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
This isn't the first time someone has suggested persecuting Trump supporters. While most people do not believe in doing this, let's not pretend there aren't some vengeful people out there who wouldn't want to.

And let's not pretend that the trump supporters will be more reasonable after hearing this.

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if it's not bullshit, I'll buy a MAGA hat


Tbf I don't think Veritas is always bullshit. They did release a video I found to be pretty compelling back in... 2016 maybe? It was about a paid rioter or something and at least from some brief digging there was a papertrail showing she did receive some payments from various PAC's.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:07 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:Actually, many big corporations favor regulations and bailouts when it benefits them.

And many Libertarians and Republicans support such regulations and bailouts when the rich benefit. Many libertarians on NSG were perfectly onboard with subsidizing the rich for example when Great Minarchistan proposed it.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:07 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
That's because libertarianism is a rich man's ideology, just like the GOP is a rich man's party. Their goals overlap: screw the poor in the name of "freedom" and then blame the "commies" (whoever they might be at the time; usually Dems) for ruining the country.


Actually, many big corporations favor regulations and bailouts when it benefits them. Libertarians are against big bailouts and regulations (like regulations blocking Air BNB and Uber in favor or major hotel chains and taxi companies, or regulations that ban importing drugs from Canada, or restaurants trying to prevent food trucks from their neighborhoods) and free money which favors big companies (such as taxes to pay for profession sports stadiums)

Libertarians might be more the party of the upper middle class (like small business owners) and the GOP and oddly certain democrats seem to favor certain wealthy types (ex. owners of companies that benefit from the industrial military complex and industrial prison complex and major league sports owners and the Hollywood elite).

Many libertarians have major issues with Trump. I lean more libertarian than republican and I also have major issues with Trump as well (but Biden/Harris are much worse because they agree with Trump on many of his worst points and disagree on most of his good points).


I feel like you're doing a good job reading the small parts of the print, but not the whole page. Big corporations favor regulations and bailouts when it benefits them. You're correct. The key word is when it benefits them. When a corporation acts against the interests of society as a whole, and only in their own self-interest, generally a regulatory framework to mitigate that abuse does not benefit them. And they certainly wouldn't favor it.

Trump is the king of crony capitalism, has been his whole life. If I were still in that libertarian mindset, I'd be more outraged by a wannabe authoritarian and nepotistic, crony capitalist than I would a moderate neoliberal, as the former stands in direct contrast to the individual liberties and freedom that your ideology professes to uphold.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:08 pm


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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:it's project fucking veritas
if it's not bullshit, I'll buy a MAGA hat


Tbf I don't think Veritas is always bullshit. They did release a video I found to be pretty compelling back in... 2016 maybe? It was about a paid rioter or something and at least from some brief digging there was a papertrail showing she did receive some payments from various PAC's.

i mean
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:08 pm

When is the official swearing in of Ossoff and Warnock? Is that the 19th?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:08 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Call me when someone actually does it. As WRA said, this is a nothingburger. In fact, it's the fucking same old playbook-- screaming "the left is going to try to rig the election! the left is going to launch a coup!" or whatever the fuck it is that the American left manifestly is not doing, and then using that to mobilize conservatives to actually do those things in response. You are part of this country's disinformation problem by credulously spreading horse shit like this.


KK is obsessed with the idea that a purge of all Trump supporters is coming any day now.


And it should come, as long as it starts and ends with all government positions across the country.

To support Trump now at this stage is to support anti-American, anti-democratic, and anti-Constitution terrorism, sedition, and insurrection. It is literally treason. Traitors do not belong in office.

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Fucking lmao do you actually believe this bullshit? :lol2:

Hey, do you believe your bullshit?


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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:09 pm

More evidence has come out that this was planned from the start. Law Enforcement officials are saying they’ve found video evidence of coordinated tactics.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:11 pm

Valrifell wrote:


Lawyers are supposed to be of good character? Huh.

Well they’re at least not supposed to be batshit insane
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:12 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Call me when someone actually does it. As WRA said, this is a nothingburger. In fact, it's the fucking same old playbook-- screaming "the left is going to try to rig the election! the left is going to launch a coup!" or whatever the fuck it is that the American left manifestly is not doing, and then using that to mobilize conservatives to actually do those things in response. You are part of this country's disinformation problem by credulously spreading horse shit like this.


KK is obsessed with the idea that a purge of all Trump supporters is coming any day now.


Not a purge where they will be legally beat and thrown in reeducation camps like during the China Cultural Revolution BUT many are being punished by employers and schools for their political views (some leftists like the manager Ozzie Guillen faced this purge as well for supporting Castro and his punishment bothers me today even though I oppose Castro). Many Americans don't like the idea of people having opposing viewpoints. If you tell me that you like Hitler or Stalin, I might be surprised but I would want to know why and I could still get along wit that person as long as they did not get angry if I had different views. I would be fine if a co-worker was a Nazi or a Maoist or a Jihadist or a man-hating feminist in his/her spare time as long as he/she was respectful and polite at work and didn't force his/her views on me. What happens outside of work should stay outside of work. Most Americans are less tolerant though.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:13 pm

Thermodolia wrote:More evidence has come out that this was planned from the start. Law Enforcement officials are saying they’ve found video evidence of coordinated tactics.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics ... index.html


Damn. Planned in advance and it still failed. Americans suck at coups, evidently. Maybe Trump shouldn't have isolated the CIA so he could've asked them to give his rabid cultists a few pointers.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:13 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:If you spill hot coffee on yourself

You know a woman was actually horrifically burned all over her body by literal boiling-hot coffee at McDonald's, and when she sued them, they ran a smear campaign to turn her into a national punchline like this?

or become obese from eating too many McDonald's hamburgers,

A lot of McDonald's content from you today, but I'll take your point more broadly on health issues created by corporate products, whether it's hamburgers or cigarettes or talc baby powder. It turns out, when you're presented with only unhealthy options to put in your body, or you're told things are healthy which are in fact terrible for you, you're not in control of the situation and the adverse health effects that result could hardly be said to be your fault.
or get scared by a movie poster and fall down the stairs,

I haven't heard of this happening, and it does sound pretty funny, but given the level of insight you show in the rest of this post, I'm almost afraid the actual story is some terrible tragedy where the company really was at fault.

it is the fault of a big company and not your fault.

Libertarians want to treat adults like actual adults and that is too scary for most people (worldwide-not just the USA).

No, libertarians have been hoodwinked by corporate propaganda to advocate politically for the financial interests of vast, impersonal entities that couldn't care less if they lived or died.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:14 pm

A lot of people used to be libertarian or sympathizing with the idea. But it's not really standing the test of time.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:15 pm

Nakena wrote:A lot of people used to be libertarian or sympathizing with the idea. But it's not really standing the test of time.

Libertarianism is just corporate slop.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:it's project fucking veritas
if it's not bullshit, I'll buy a MAGA hat


Tbf I don't think Veritas is always bullshit. They did release a video I found to be pretty compelling back in... 2016 maybe? It was about a paid rioter or something and at least from some brief digging there was a papertrail showing she did receive some payments from various PAC's.


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Postby Page » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:16 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
KK is obsessed with the idea that a purge of all Trump supporters is coming any day now.


Not a purge where they will be legally beat and thrown in reeducation camps like during the China Cultural Revolution BUT many are being punished by employers and schools for their political views (some leftists like the manager Ozzie Guillen faced this purge as well for supporting Castro and his punishment bothers me today even though I oppose Castro). Many Americans don't like the idea of people having opposing viewpoints. If you tell me that you like Hitler or Stalin, I might be surprised but I would want to know why and I could still get along wit that person as long as they did not get angry if I had different views. I would be fine if a co-worker was a Nazi or a Maoist or a Jihadist or a man-hating feminist in his/her spare time as long as he/she was respectful and polite at work and didn't force his/her views on me. What happens outside of work should stay outside of work. Most Americans are less tolerant though.


I suppose I can only speak for myself but I think very, very few people have any interest in going after Grandpa Bill from Ohio who had a Trump sign in his yard and sent the Trump campaign fifty bucks, nor does anyone want to bother whatever poor intern had to go to McDonald's for Trump.

But people like Stephen Miller, Rudy Giuliani, Michael Flynn, the active participants in the regime, they definitely deserve the social ostracizing equivalent of a death penalty.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:16 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
KK is obsessed with the idea that a purge of all Trump supporters is coming any day now.


Not a purge where they will be legally beat and thrown in reeducation camps like during the China Cultural Revolution BUT many are being punished by employers and schools for their political views (some leftists like the manager Ozzie Guillen faced this purge as well for supporting Castro and his punishment bothers me today even though I oppose Castro). Many Americans don't like the idea of people having opposing viewpoints. If you tell me that you like Hitler or Stalin, I might be surprised but I would want to know why and I could still get along wit that person as long as they did not get angry if I had different views. I would be fine if a co-worker was a Nazi or a Maoist or a Jihadist or a man-hating feminist in his/her spare time as long as he/she was respectful and polite at work and didn't force his/her views on me. What happens outside of work should stay outside of work. Most Americans are less tolerant though.


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