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Arisyan
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Arisyan » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:14 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Kind of, but without real political aspirations. A lot of these Fox News types, Carlson, Ingraham, Coulter, Hannity...they all come from elite backgrounds, top of the line schools, and real WASPY pedigrees. They're not dumb or uneducated people, they just set aside their conscience for profit. I can guarantee you that Carlson, Coulter, whoever it may be, they know that a lot of what they say is false, phony and ridiculous. They just don't care.

You mean based?


No. False. based means it has a following but a small one. False means its factually incorrect.
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Esalia
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Postby Esalia » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:19 pm

"We need unity!" - The people who have (and are) actively defending someone who has divided the country, immediately after insulting their opposition with a combination of flat-out lies, Red Scare tactics, and other varieties of bullshit, thereby sabotaging unity.

"But BLM/Antifa!" - The people actively ignoring or defending a much worse example of political violence.

My God, is all these people know how to do is be massive fucking hypocrites?
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:20 pm

Esalia wrote:"We need unity!" - The people who have (and are) actively defending someone who has divided the country, immediately after insulting their opposition with a combination of flat-out lies, Red Scare tactics, and other varieties of bullshit, thereby sabotaging unity.

"But BLM/Antifa!" - The people actively ignoring or defending a much worse example of political violence.

My God, is all these people know how to do is be massive fucking hypocrites?


So it appears.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:21 pm

What are you all listening on?
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Istoreya
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:22 pm

Corrian wrote:What are you all listening on?

Impeachment voting

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Postby Page » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:24 pm

Watching the impeachment debate. How is it that none of these people have masks that fit? Why do their masks keep falling off their noses, get masks that fit ffs
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:25 pm

Corrian wrote:What are you all listening on?


I'm on the NBC News Youtube channel myself.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Untied State » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:27 pm

Corrian wrote:What are you all listening on?

npr
so basically 2020 election happens, there's a civil bloodbath, and the political system is overhauled as the nation tries to find unity and a new identity in a new age of political violence, alaska, hawaii, and puerto rico left the union, proportional representation enabled an increasingly individualized and oddly specific political climate, and lib-left lib-right solidarity is the favored form of compromise, now with a new flag!

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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:28 pm

Thanks
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:28 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Nakena wrote:
The democrats have objectively no longer reason to believe the GOP. Neither side really has. This is basically a full binary game now. Theres very little if no middle ground left anymore.

Partisanship and polarization are now at absolute peak.


Did you by chance cut and paste this from Trump Impeachment 1?


No. But the stakes have been significantly raised since. They are at the maximum now.

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Postby The Untied State » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:30 pm

man said "i don't care about no base" pretty based i'd say
so basically 2020 election happens, there's a civil bloodbath, and the political system is overhauled as the nation tries to find unity and a new identity in a new age of political violence, alaska, hawaii, and puerto rico left the union, proportional representation enabled an increasingly individualized and oddly specific political climate, and lib-left lib-right solidarity is the favored form of compromise, now with a new flag!

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Father Knows Best State

Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:31 pm

FINALLY closing.
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Postby Page » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:32 pm

Listening to these people debate, they really are no more insightful than your average NSer, it would honestly be little different in terms of talking points and rhetoric if a few hundred of us all gathered to do this thread IRL.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:32 pm

Gravlen wrote:FINALLY closing.

So soon voting will begin. Then what like another lengthy debate and a final vote for impeachment?
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The Untied State
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Postby The Untied State » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:32 pm

Page wrote:Listening to these people debate, they really are no more insightful than your average NSer, it would honestly be little different in terms of talking points and rhetoric if a few hundred of us all gathered to do this thread IRL.

true. dunno if this is a bug or feature of democracy.
so basically 2020 election happens, there's a civil bloodbath, and the political system is overhauled as the nation tries to find unity and a new identity in a new age of political violence, alaska, hawaii, and puerto rico left the union, proportional representation enabled an increasingly individualized and oddly specific political climate, and lib-left lib-right solidarity is the favored form of compromise, now with a new flag!

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:33 pm

The Untied State wrote:man said "i don't care about no base" pretty based i'd say

Would have been better if he hadn't stumbled over the set up...


OOooo, cheap applause line.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:33 pm

Do all Republicans just say "We need unity" without wanting accountability? Fuck them. They're still enabling pieces of shit.
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Postby Page » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm

Ugh more calling the Trumpers "anarchists", they are not anarchists, their goal is to install Trump as an autocratic dictator, they are the opposite of anarchists!
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm

Page wrote:Ugh more calling the Trumpers "anarchists", they are not anarchists, their goal is to install Trump as an autocratic dictator, they are the opposite of anarchists!

They apparently don't understand what anarchy means.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm

"Maybe we should follow some of Lincoln's wisdom", Scalise says.

Yeah Lincoln would have had that entire mob shot to pieces you fool, he wouldn't have rolled over and said "lets move forward and heal:)".
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:36 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Nakena wrote:The democrats aren't going for the route of healing and unity so far. (exactly as I said they wouldn)

Because it's BS. They don't want unity.


If by they you mean the fans of the president, then yes.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:"Maybe we should follow some of Lincoln's wisdom", Scalise says.

Yeah Lincoln would have had that entire mob shot to pieces you fool, he wouldn't have rolled over and said "lets move forward and heal:)".

Imagine telling Lincoln that a mob incited by the president stormed the capitol building carrying the flag of the confederates and a large amounts of Republicans thought he should just be let off.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:36 pm

Page wrote:Ugh more calling the Trumpers "anarchists", they are not anarchists, their goal is to install Trump as an autocratic dictator, they are the opposite of anarchists!


Fascist would be a better term for them. They have every characteristic of fascism.
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"The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you."

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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Istoreya » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:36 pm

Corrian wrote:Do all Republicans just say "We need unity" without wanting accountability? Fuck them. They're still enabling pieces of shit.

That has pretty much been their entire argument, yes.
Others have chosen the route "B-B-But BLM and ANTIFA!!" which totally doesn't make them sound like a big group of hypocrites

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:37 pm

I napped through the middle and I feel like I didn't miss much. "Unity, scoreboard, you're the real bad guys" vs "Jesus fucking christ we just had to hide under our chairs from the president's followers what the fuck is wrong with you?"
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