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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:19 pm

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UniversalCommons wrote:Trump, the republicans, the democrats can want to preserve the traditional way of life. However, the demographics have changed so much that the traditional population does not exist anymore. The outcome will not be what people expect. There soon will be no majority demographically. This frightens people. It does not mean that the democrats or republicans will remain in control. Without a majority people will have to share power or have a lot of problems. Guns won't help, claiming you are in control won't help. The change that is coming will be a shock to the system for everyone. In most places no race or ethnicity will have greater than 50% of a given population. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/r ... y-are.html This is why there was so many attempts to change the census. Only coalitions will hold power. There can be little supremacy in this kind of setting. Traditional control by one group will erode.

The only reason white people are frightened by becoming a minority is because they're racist shits. Otherwise there's no reason to care.

"Oh shit, I might get treated how I treated minorities!"
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:20 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
I didn't say that. I simply said I hope I'm not expected to feel sorry for them.

70TB seems sloppy, though, and will likely include people who were just there to watch the fireworks. It's kind of haphazard. Also, the information itself has that "I'm just sayin'..." quality to it. Like, fuck those guys, and they would absolutely do shitty things with that information of liberals or whatever, BUT, I don't just want to toilet bowl down a never ending circle of shittiness.

Most people on Parler are just there to post memes about Biden, I don’t think that deserves doxxing (well I don’t think anything deserves doxxing but especially when you’ve done nothing wrong other than mildly offend people)
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:20 pm

damn
the hackers really just left all the metadata open for anyone to see :lol2:
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:20 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Corrian wrote:The only reason white people are frightened by becoming a minority is because they're racist shits. Otherwise there's no reason to care.

"Oh shit, I might get treated how I treated minorities!"


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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:21 pm

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I don't support doxxing as a method. But if they were on Parler, the odds are extremely high they're no one I'd feel sorry for.

I feel as if that's a roundabout way of saying you do support doxxing, but only against the "correct" people...


I absolutely don't. I don't support drunk driving either, but if my abuser were to be hit by one, it's not like I'll send him a "get better" letter.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:21 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
I don't support doxxing as a method. But if they were on Parler, the odds are extremely high they're no one I'd feel sorry for.

I feel as if that's a roundabout way of saying you do support doxxing, but only against the "correct" people...

You feel that way, but it isn't. I don't support robbery, but there's definitely people I wouldn't feel bad for if they got robbed. My opposition to robbery generally is not conditional on my sympathy for them specifically.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:22 pm

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No State Here wrote:So what are potential criminal charges that doxxing could face? Incitement to violence? Harassment?


doxxing is, itself, illegal in some states.

It would likely be argued, though, that all of this information was publicly available on the platform, even if by oversight.

Kowani wrote:damn
the hackers really just left all the metadata open for anyone to see :lol2:

Well, really, Parler should have scrubbed metadata like any responsible platform, but yeah the people in question shouldn’t have disclosed this like they did.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:22 pm

No State Here wrote:So what are potential criminal charges that doxxing could face? Incitement to violence? Harassment?

I hope they face consequences
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:22 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
No State Here wrote:So what are potential criminal charges that doxxing could face? Incitement to violence? Harassment?

I hope they face consequences

Oh, you do know that word
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:23 pm

The bottom line is Parler has been a very poorly run platform and it is very foolish to be there in the first place.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:23 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Corrian wrote:The only reason white people are frightened by becoming a minority is because they're racist shits. Otherwise there's no reason to care.

"Oh shit, I might get treated how I treated minorities!"


Sure there is. It means that in order to hold power, you have to be more inclusive, on the right, you invite in the hardcore-- the goldbugs, the white supremacists, the sovereign citizens and other crazies. It means you get a weird populism with some very unsavory politics. The same is true of the left, you get communists, hardcore greens, and other fringe people. You can't rely completely on the old majorities and you have to reach out to people who many people consider fringe. This part of the reason you get populists like Trump or Ocasio-Cortez.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:23 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I feel as if that's a roundabout way of saying you do support doxxing, but only against the "correct" people...


I absolutely don't. I don't support drunk driving either, but if my abuser were to be hit by one, it's not like I'll send him a "get better" letter.


Better to go into his hospital room and check his vitals monitor while he's consciously aware of you.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:24 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I feel as if that's a roundabout way of saying you do support doxxing, but only against the "correct" people...


I absolutely don't. I don't support drunk driving either, but if my abuser were to be hit by one, it's not like I'll send him a "get better" letter.

Senkaku wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I feel as if that's a roundabout way of saying you do support doxxing, but only against the "correct" people...

You feel that way, but it isn't. I don't support robbery, but there's definitely people I wouldn't feel bad for if they got robbed. My opposition to robbery generally is not conditional on my sympathy for them specifically.

That's fair enough I suppose. There are people I wouldn't feel sympathy towards if they got doxxed, but those are people who have actually done something wrong, such as animal abusers.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:25 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
I absolutely don't. I don't support drunk driving either, but if my abuser were to be hit by one, it's not like I'll send him a "get better" letter.

Senkaku wrote:You feel that way, but it isn't. I don't support robbery, but there's definitely people I wouldn't feel bad for if they got robbed. My opposition to robbery generally is not conditional on my sympathy for them specifically.

That's fair enough I suppose. There are people I wouldn't feel sympathy towards if they got doxxed, but those are people who have actually done something wrong, such as animal abusers.

Yeah I agree, but I would still feel bad if a leftist gets doxxed though because in the end they’re fellow people and I can’t imagine like what it is to be doxxed especially if you live in an area where people will harass you for your views
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Media is the enemy of the people
CCP delenda est
orange man bad. diversity is our strength. real communism hasn’t been tried yet. the hong kong protestors are paid by the cia. antifa protestors are good, hong kong protestors are american bootlickers. China is a better alternative to America. uyghur genocide isn’t real, and it is western propaganda. Trump should not have killed Soleimani. gender is a social construct invented by white supremacists.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:25 pm

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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:27 pm

Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:27 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:
That's fair enough I suppose. There are people I wouldn't feel sympathy towards if they got doxxed, but those are people who have actually done something wrong, such as animal abusers.

Yeah I agree, but I would still feel bad if a leftist gets doxxed though because in the end they’re fellow people and I can’t imagine like what it is to be doxxed especially if you live in an area where people will harass you for your views

Doxxing sucks, but if it happens to you because you were careless with your information in your mad rush to get onto a poorly-secured new site to spew vitriol and misinformation... well, reaping the whirlwind and all that.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:27 pm

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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:29 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Galloism wrote:Tbh, the concept that Hawley is on the judiciary committee is absurd on its face.

Who the hell thought that was a good idea?


Look, I was really drunk that day.

I don’t know that I’ve ever been that drunk.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:29 pm


Who the hell thought any aspect of his political career was a good idea? He's been on an even faster upward trajectory than Obama, but as far as I can see there's really nothing behind the suit-- I know I'm not the target audience, but usually I can at least tell when someone has charisma or political ability. Hawley seems very much like the right's knockoff of some Democrats' hopes for Joe Kennedy.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:29 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Look, I was really drunk that day.

I don’t know that I’ve ever been that drunk.


Jägerbombs. It's a disaster.

I'm a little unclear on this, does Trump have a bank left or did they all drop him...?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:29 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ah no. Sounds more like Parler had piss poor security.

Regardless of their security being terrible, the proper thing to do in a scenario like this is to report the vulnerability to the platform, not just releasing it to the public immediately. If they don’t take action or actively go after you for discovering a vulnerability, then public disclosure is perhaps acceptable, but never before that point, and releasing all the data you could access is pretty much never okay.


The problem is many of the security groups are aware of weaknesses the same time the “real” hackers know about them. Reputable security groups tend to try and work with a company if they happen to find something bad. If the company isn’t responsive; they force it by publishing the issue, without the details needed to get through.

It happens more then you think and it goes that way as businessmen tend to be more concerned about profit and plugging security holes can get costly.

The fact they wanted pictures of licenses????? Stupid move on their part. That just screams ATTACK ME! I DARE YOU!
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:30 pm

Biden 2020 - Hope for America
Lamar Jackson measured in kinetic energy means.... touchdowns, touchdowns, touchdowns!
Trump's past the event horizon now. He's being stretched and torn wildly out of shape by the gravity of his misdeeds. Soon he'll be compacted into the cosmic trash can. Nevermore.

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Postby Omniabstracta » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:30 pm


It’s not too hard to see why he was such a rising star in the party before this to be honest—young, suave and charismatic, educated, populist—everything the GOP was trying to be to expand its base. He was popular and rewarded for a reason.

He just turned out to also be, y’know, an unscrupulous demagogic nutcase.
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