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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:47 pm

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Senkaku wrote:Can't fire your veep. They have to resign, die, or be impeached. And no, it's not at all legal, we've basically witnessed a bloodless counter-coup against Trump by... well, it appears the entirety of the rest of the US government and military, or almost the entirety. Historians are going to go nuts about this in a few decades (if there are historians, or people, I guess).


It would be nice to have some clarity as to what exactly is going on given this is the highest office in the land.

Yes, clarity would be nice. Looking from the outside in, it seems like Pence has basically been informally deferred to by a lot of officials as the Acting President, though Pelosi's involvement is unclear-- her publicization of the convo w the Joint Chiefs about limiting Trump's nuclear strike options, and the fact that afaik they haven't refuted or even pushed back on it, leads me to believe she may be also be at least informally in control or advising on stuff. Trump appears to basically be under de facto house arrest and no one is listening to his orders if he's giving them. McConnell and other GOP leaders are probably also at least peripherally involved, I really don't know.

If I had to summarize my guess of the situation, it's that an informal collective gerontocracy with elements from both sides of the aisle has taken control of the executive branch with support from the Joint Chiefs and Pence as a figurehead.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:47 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:Y'know, maybe we should go back to having the runner-up in the election become the Vice President. If only because it would be amusing.

Imagine the last 4 years of Vice President Hillary Clinton.

Imagine the power struggle over who gets to command the drone strikes.
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Adamede wrote:By the “traditional way of American life” they’re generally talking about some nostalgic remembering of early 20th century white America.

Oh so the non-latino white nuclear family? Why do they think that's being threatened?


Cause white people are marrying black people and women have rights now. These things bother many of them.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:47 pm

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Trump wouldn't take the blame for any reason. That'd make him look like a loser, and his whole brand is based on the opposing concept.

Y'know, despite all the losing he does. I'm pretty sure I could make a casino better than he did.

I know a few children that likely could, so that’s not an accomplishment.


That was the implication, yes.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:48 pm

Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:49 pm

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Senkaku wrote:Can't fire your veep. They have to resign, die, or be impeached. And no, it's not at all legal, we've basically witnessed a bloodless counter-coup against Trump by... well, it appears the entirety of the rest of the US government and military, or almost the entirety. Historians are going to go nuts about this in a few decades (if there are historians, or people, I guess).


Some of our unique cultural traditions that these conscientious preservationists are seeking to protect include:

- brutally mistreating any non-WASP man minority
- cutting a swathe of devastation across the globe in campaigns of avarice and/or frivolous bloodlust
- worshipping and prioritizing money and the financial over every other facet of the human experience
- invoking divine favor as an excuse for any and every misdeed

I mean you're not wrong, from what I've seen, although I 'm fairly the second point is more for $$$.

yes, avarice
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:50 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.

Why do people do such mindlessly cruel things to wild animals? Poor manatee. I hope it recovers, they're very gentle creatures. :(
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:50 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.


What the fuck
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Postby Omniabstracta » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:51 pm

Kowani wrote:
Senkaku wrote:you mean when they botched it so badly that the president appears to have been put under de facto house arrest? no, I didn't

again: missed their window by 30 seconds


Anyway, Trump's issued a declaration of emergency for DC

Why do I feel like he’s not the one who came up with the state of emergency idea—and if I’m allowed to be a bit conspiracy-y, not even the one who pulled the trigger?
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:51 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.

“Harassment of a manatee”

I mean, I guess that is the legal term, but what the actual fuck?
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:52 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Kowani wrote:again: missed their window by 30 seconds


Anyway, Trump's issued a declaration of emergency for DC

Why do I feel like he’s not the one who came up with the state of emergency idea—and if I’m allowed to be a bit conspiracy-y, not even the one who pulled the trigger?

Because no one thinks he came up with it or pulled the trigger, because he's been under de facto house arrest for days after the whole of the rest of government has resorted to informally denying his authority to make up for the fact that no one seems to feel any terribly urgent need to formally remove him?
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Postby UniversalCommons » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:54 pm

Trump, the republicans, the democrats can want to preserve the traditional way of life. However, the demographics have changed so much that the traditional population does not exist anymore. The outcome will not be what people expect. There soon will be no majority demographically. This frightens people. It does not mean that the democrats or republicans will remain in control. Without a majority people will have to share power or have a lot of problems. Guns won't help, claiming you are in control won't help. The change that is coming will be a shock to the system for everyone. In most places no race or ethnicity will have greater than 50% of a given population. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/r ... y-are.html This is why there was so many attempts to change the census. Only coalitions will hold power. There can be little supremacy in this kind of setting. Traditional control by one group will erode.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:54 pm

I keep getting this dreadful thought of a scene from the BBC movie "Threads" where the young man is trying to get home to his pregnant wife, Ruth, just as the first volley hits Manchester. A nearby woman pisses her pants, then his wingman says "they've gone and done it." The shock wave from the nuclear blast is imminent. A scary random thought. Yikes. If only the subconscious could wait until it's asked.
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Postby Omniabstracta » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:55 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Omniabstracta wrote:Why do I feel like he’s not the one who came up with the state of emergency idea—and if I’m allowed to be a bit conspiracy-y, not even the one who pulled the trigger?

Because no one thinks he came up with it or pulled the trigger, because he's been under de facto house arrest for days after the whole of the rest of government has resorted to informally denying his authority to make up for the fact that no one seems to feel any terribly urgent need to formally remove him?

Well yeah, but if that’s the case then it’s Pence or somebody else actually usurping the constitutional powers of the President, unlike the DCNG mobilization from earlier, which is a hell of a bold step.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:55 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.


And here I was asking "how to make PETA look reasonable".
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Postby Andsed » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:56 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.

What in the actual fuck? Leave the manatees alone you bastards.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:56 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.


OK, maybe the death penalty is not such a bad idea after all wtf. Who does that?! Why?!
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:57 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.


Wot da faq. Just why...
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:58 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.


What the fuck


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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:59 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Because no one thinks he came up with it or pulled the trigger, because he's been under de facto house arrest for days after the whole of the rest of government has resorted to informally denying his authority to make up for the fact that no one seems to feel any terribly urgent need to formally remove him?

Well yeah, but if that’s the case then it’s Pence or somebody else actually usurping the constitutional powers of the President, unlike the DCNG mobilization from earlier, which is a hell of a bold step.


Well quite hence my initial ask as to the legal status of this, it's basically been radio silence for coming on to a week now.. is he just sulking like a baby and willingly letting people do any communications or is he being told what to say and do - as I understand it there's been zero conversations between Trump and Pence.

And Pelosi's call notwithstanding, can you refuse an order from your Commander in Chief?

They really should do something to remove him from power pronto because the man is unstable.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:59 pm

Omniabstracta wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Because no one thinks he came up with it or pulled the trigger, because he's been under de facto house arrest for days after the whole of the rest of government has resorted to informally denying his authority to make up for the fact that no one seems to feel any terribly urgent need to formally remove him?

Well yeah, but if that’s the case then it’s Pence or somebody else actually usurping the constitutional powers of the President, unlike the DCNG mobilization from earlier, which is a hell of a bold step.

So uh...

Put me with senkaku on this.

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There's so very little news coming out of the WH, what is he doing, what are people around him doing.. I'd love to be a fly on the wall.

Ok, you can call me a conspiracy nut job, and I wouldn’t even report you for flaming. You could be 100% right.

But...

Pence commanded the troops that ended the capitol siege. Trump has only sent out prerecorded videos, nothing live. His Twitter was taken away (years late, but I digress). He hasn’t gotten any interviews, and no communications of any kind of a live nature of any kind.

My hypothesis is Pence is now in charge, Trump’s people aren’t answering to him, and he’s effectively a prisoner in the White House.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:59 pm

Bombadil wrote:Just who the fuck are these people..

Federal wildlife officials in Florida are reportedly seeking information on the perpetrators of an attack on a manatee, which apparently had the word “Trump” scraped into its back.

The attack on the animal was reported by the Citrus County Chronicle, which showed a picture of the large aquatic mammal with the name of the US president clearly visible by being etched into its skin.

“The US Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the harassment of a manatee,” the paper said, adding that the manatee had been videoed in the Blue Hole spring, on the Homosassa River in the state.

Bruh, who does that?
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Oh, just some Florida Men hurting an innocent aquatic mammal.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:01 pm

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