I don't think it's something that requires "strong consideration". The President is not fit to govern, so, impeach him. As simple as that.
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by Bahia Roja » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:49 pm
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:50 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:51 pm
Xmara wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:Ah fuck, one of those comparison of the times things...remember how they made Obama take the Oath a second time because Roberts got an inconsequential part of the phrasing wrong and people used it to imply that Obama had not actually become president?
What are they trying to compare it to? Trump’s supposedly missing votes?
by Nakena » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:52 pm
Senkaku wrote:Nakena wrote:
They should cancel the ceremony. Given Covid-19 its anyways a bad idea.
I have a bad feeling about this. When even the DoD doesnt thinks the Units are reliable anymore then big shit is underway.
Reviewing to make sure there aren't infiltrators seems pretty different to me than worries over the reliability of the entire force.
(Yes, bad, but seems more like confronting a problem we all already knew existed, rather than revealing an even bigger problem that we weren't fully aware of.)
Cannot think of a name wrote:The ceremony is already taking in CDC recommendations regarding the pandemic, but especially in the face of the nature of these threats the ceremony needs to happen.
by Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:53 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Xmara wrote:What are they trying to compare it to? Trump’s supposedly missing votes?
No they, me. When I was responding to someone suggesting delaying the ceremony I remembered that Obama had to retake the oath after the echo chamber seized upon it. It falls under the Great Tan Suit controversy any time a Trump supporter wants to pretend that Trump suffers undo scrutiny.
by Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:53 pm
by Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:55 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Xmara wrote:What are they trying to compare it to? Trump’s supposedly missing votes?
No they, me. When I was responding to someone suggesting delaying the ceremony I remembered that Obama had to retake the oath after the echo chamber seized upon it. It falls under the Great Tan Suit controversy any time a Trump supporter wants to pretend that Trump suffers undo scrutiny.
by Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:58 pm
by Freiheit Reich » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:58 pm
Senkaku wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
In mainland China, you are not required to wear a helmet when riding a bicycle and 18-year olds can drink beer. Also, you are allowed to smoke in your backyard there (unlike some places in California). In SOME aspects, the west coast is more totalitarian than mainland China.
To me, no helmets, a low drinking age, and universal backyard smoking are the most important defining characteristics of whether a society is free
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:58 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:No they, me. When I was responding to someone suggesting delaying the ceremony I remembered that Obama had to retake the oath after the echo chamber seized upon it. It falls under the Great Tan Suit controversy any time a Trump supporter wants to pretend that Trump suffers undo scrutiny.
I mean, CNN did an entire piece on the way Trump eats food
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:04 pm
Nakena wrote:Senkaku wrote:Reviewing to make sure there aren't infiltrators seems pretty different to me than worries over the reliability of the entire force.
(Yes, bad, but seems more like confronting a problem we all already knew existed, rather than revealing an even bigger problem that we weren't fully aware of.)
The fact that the DoD is concerned about the possibility of rogue elements inside the Military is already a sign of highest alarm in itself.
I wouldn rule out that trumpist/QAnon influenced elements of the security apparatus will attempt to prevent Biden from take office at this point. The events at the capitol are speaking for itself.
by Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:05 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:06 pm
by Bahia Roja » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:06 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I mean, CNN did an entire piece on the way Trump eats food
by Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:06 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Senkaku wrote:To me, no helmets, a low drinking age, and universal backyard smoking are the most important defining characteristics of whether a society is free
These are just a few examples of how many liberals are quite totalitarian on certain issues but oddly OK with others. It is cool to use marijuana and join the army (and fight in foreign wars supported by fellow liberal war hawks like Biden and Hilary Clinton) but you can't ride a bike without a helmet or have a beer with your buddies in a bar or smoke a cigarette in your own backyard.
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:07 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Senkaku wrote:To me, no helmets, a low drinking age, and universal backyard smoking are the most important defining characteristics of whether a society is free
These are just a few examples of how many liberals are quite totalitarian on certain issues but oddly OK with others. It is cool to use marijuana and join the army (and fight in foreign wars supported by fellow liberal war hawks like Biden and Hilary Clinton) but you can't ride a bike without a helmet or have a beer with your buddies in a bar or smoke a cigarette in your own backyard.
by Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:09 pm
by Omniabstracta » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:11 pm
by Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:12 pm
Senkaku wrote:That's always been a risk, but after what we saw over the summer with the decline of the Insurrection Act and then in the past few days with Trump basically being shut out even from our own nuclear chain of command (as word has it, anyways), are pretty reassuring-- the military command is willing to take active steps to stop him from seizing power, and there's no reason to believe the rank-and-file will disobey their commanders' orders en masse. Unless he seems to have influence over military high command or enough influence over the troops (throughout the entire military, but especially in the DC area) that it seems likely they would follow him over the Joint Chiefs in a coup attempt, I wouldn't be too worried. Elements of DHS are a bit more suspect, but they also won't be able to do much if they're facing off against regular troops.
by Vassenor » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:13 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
These are just a few examples of how many liberals are quite totalitarian on certain issues but oddly OK with others. It is cool to use marijuana and join the army (and fight in foreign wars supported by fellow liberal war hawks like Biden and Hilary Clinton) but you can't ride a bike without a helmet or have a beer with your buddies in a bar or smoke a cigarette in your own backyard.
To be fair it’s not all liberals, the ones who actually care about liberty are agreeable and respectable people, but the SJW types who want to ban things because it hurts their feelings should be called out
by Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:15 pm
by Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:17 pm
Andsed wrote:
I mean McConnell is reportedly really pissed at Trump right now. Is a bit naive to hope he might actually approve of this?
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:17 pm
by Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:18 pm
Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles wrote:Senkaku wrote:That's always been a risk, but after what we saw over the summer with the decline of the Insurrection Act and then in the past few days with Trump basically being shut out even from our own nuclear chain of command (as word has it, anyways), are pretty reassuring-- the military command is willing to take active steps to stop him from seizing power, and there's no reason to believe the rank-and-file will disobey their commanders' orders en masse. Unless he seems to have influence over military high command or enough influence over the troops (throughout the entire military, but especially in the DC area) that it seems likely they would follow him over the Joint Chiefs in a coup attempt, I wouldn't be too worried. Elements of DHS are a bit more suspect, but they also won't be able to do much if they're facing off against regular troops.
Yeah, I've gotten the impression from veterans I know and in my family that norms against the uniformed forces deploying domestically really for anything, never mind installing/removing a President, are so strong that even if, somehow, the DoD had been completely stacked with Biden/Harris sympathizers, and the halls of Congress filled with all their grandmothers, the DoD would have still dragged its heels to deploy the Guard on Wednesday.
**Normal warnings about selection bias and the like here.
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