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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:28 am

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Oh. I like Vaush. I prefer Contrapoints and maybe hbomberguy, though.

Oh, yeah, absolutely! Especially Contrapoints, since she is so brilliant of getting outside of everybodies comfort zones, watching her videos often is like getting slapped in the face, repeatedly. In a good way though :)


Contrapoints challenged a lot of my own preconceptions and biases. Whilst I have always supported trans rights, her videos have gone into the nitty gritty of the trans experience I never knew existed, and she has basically cultivated a new genre of YT videos. The fact she has 1 million subs for a YTer with her views is astonishing.

A hell of a lot better than Blaire White, though that is not hard.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:30 am

Odreria wrote:
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Oh. I like Vaush. I prefer Contrapoints and maybe hbomberguy, though.

Vaush said that a black dude who draws a gun as a lynch mob pulls up in trucks is being the aggressor. Clearly a top philosopher of this century.


does that make Vaush based?
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:41 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, I didn't see this shitshow devolving into an open roast of YouTubers...

For some people, it’s always been about that, and I think the political aspect of it is just a recent accessory
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Postby Xanthal » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:44 am

Senkaku wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, I didn't see this shitshow devolving into an open roast of YouTubers...

For some people, it’s always been about that, and I think the political aspect of it is just a recent accessory

That may be the most insightful comment of the night, actually.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:49 am

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Freiheit Reich wrote:I always said businesses should have the right to discriminate against those they want to BUT it also is a question of ethics and having fair and consistent standards. I find Khomeini far more offensive than Trump even if Trump might not be as faithful to his religion as Khomeini. Sadly, it seems I am more pro-Israel than many Americans. If you support Twitter's ban of Trump but not Khomeini, it could be considered a support for antisemetism. I am fine with this but find it funny that it is wrong not to bake a cake for gays BUT it is cool to be openly antisemetic. It is OK to block white students from crossing a bridge BUT it is wrong to encourage supporters to protest at the capital. Both liberals and conservatives need to agree with a fair set of standards of behavior that apply equally to all people. Is it wrong or OK to discriminate or is it OK as long as I am discriminating against whites? Is it OK to be anti-Jewish as long as you are Asian or can anybody be openly anti-Jewish as long as they are pro-Muslim? I don't know how to behave and stay within the lines of acceptability because standards keep changing. Perhaps Trump is also confused.

Twitter and Facebook don't owe you anything. Their house, their rules. You wanted to let companies discriminate against people they didn't like, you got your wish. If you want to backtrack now you best back it up all the way.


Legally what they did is fine but is it ethical? I am glad some are questioning their inconsistent standards and hopefully they lose 70 million users in the next couple of weeks. Many things are legal but questionable ethically (people have opposing views). This includes eating meat, having abortions, not having abortions and giving away your unwanted kid, using condoms, ignoring homeless beggars, giving food to homeless beggars, driving a car instead of riding a bike, riding a bike made in China, and not letting someone share his ideas on your website because you disagree with them. What shocks me is that few people think Twitter (and many other big companies) are hypocritical.

Twitter is not fully to blame though. Trump is also to blame for using Twitter and supporting them when they were already proven to be a bad company. Hopefully he uses the time spent tweeting to exercise or read a good book instead or perhaps create a better social media platform that is fair to commies, fascists, socialists, libertarians, hippies, yuppies, jihadists, Nazis, democrat war hawks, and republican war hawks alike.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:51 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Xanthal wrote:Twitter and Facebook don't owe you anything. Their house, their rules. You wanted to let companies discriminate against people they didn't like, you got your wish. If you want to backtrack now you best back it up all the way.


Legally what they did is fine but is it ethical? I am glad some are questioning their inconsistent standards and hopefully they lose 70 million users in the next couple of weeks. Many things are legal but questionable ethically (people have opposing views). This includes eating meat, having abortions, not having abortions and giving away your unwanted kid, using condoms, ignoring homeless beggars, giving food to homeless beggars, driving a car instead of riding a bike, riding a bike made in China, and not letting someone share his ideas on your website because you disagree with them. What shocks me is that few people think Twitter (and many other big companies) are hypocritical.

Twitter is not fully to blame though. Trump is also to blame for using Twitter and supporting them when they were already proven to be a bad company. Hopefully he uses the time spent tweeting to exercise or read a good book instead or perhaps create a better social media platform that is fair to commies, fascists, socialists, libertarians, hippies, yuppies, jihadists, Nazis, democrat war hawks, and republican war hawks alike.


TIL it's unethical for a private accomodation to enforce its rules.
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Postby Odreria » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:51 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Xanthal wrote:Twitter and Facebook don't owe you anything. Their house, their rules. You wanted to let companies discriminate against people they didn't like, you got your wish. If you want to backtrack now you best back it up all the way.


Legally what they did is fine but is it ethical? I am glad some are questioning their inconsistent standards and hopefully they lose 70 million users in the next couple of weeks. Many things are legal but questionable ethically (people have opposing views). This includes eating meat, having abortions, not having abortions and giving away your unwanted kid, using condoms, ignoring homeless beggars, giving food to homeless beggars, driving a car instead of riding a bike, riding a bike made in China, and not letting someone share his ideas on your website because you disagree with them. What shocks me is that few people think Twitter (and many other big companies) are hypocritical.

Twitter is not fully to blame though. Trump is also to blame for using Twitter and supporting them when they were already proven to be a bad company. Hopefully he uses the time spent tweeting to exercise or read a good book instead or perhaps create a better social media platform that is fair to commies, fascists, socialists, libertarians, hippies, yuppies, jihadists, Nazis, democrat war hawks, and republican war hawks alike.


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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:52 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Xanthal wrote:Twitter and Facebook don't owe you anything. Their house, their rules. You wanted to let companies discriminate against people they didn't like, you got your wish. If you want to backtrack now you best back it up all the way.


Legally what they did is fine but is it ethical? I am glad some are questioning their inconsistent standards and hopefully they lose 70 million users in the next couple of weeks. Many things are legal but questionable ethically (people have opposing views). This includes eating meat, having abortions, not having abortions and giving away your unwanted kid, using condoms, ignoring homeless beggars, giving food to homeless beggars, driving a car instead of riding a bike, riding a bike made in China, and not letting someone share his ideas on your website because you disagree with them. What shocks me is that few people think Twitter (and many other big companies) are hypocritical.

Twitter is not fully to blame though. Trump is also to blame for using Twitter and supporting them when they were already proven to be a bad company. Hopefully he uses the time spent tweeting to exercise or read a good book instead or perhaps create a better social media platform that is fair to commies, fascists, socialists, libertarians, hippies, yuppies, jihadists, Nazis, democrat war hawks, and republican war hawks alike.


the left would never allow it
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Postby Shanzie » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:53 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Xanthal wrote:Twitter and Facebook don't owe you anything. Their house, their rules. You wanted to let companies discriminate against people they didn't like, you got your wish. If you want to backtrack now you best back it up all the way.


Legally what they did is fine but is it ethical? I am glad some are questioning their inconsistent standards and hopefully they lose 70 million users in the next couple of weeks. Many things are legal but questionable ethically (people have opposing views). This includes eating meat, having abortions, not having abortions and giving away your unwanted kid, using condoms, ignoring homeless beggars, giving food to homeless beggars, driving a car instead of riding a bike, riding a bike made in China, and not letting someone share his ideas on your website because you disagree with them. What shocks me is that few people think Twitter (and many other big companies) are hypocritical.

Twitter is not fully to blame though. Trump is also to blame for using Twitter and supporting them when they were already proven to be a bad company. Hopefully he uses the time spent tweeting to exercise or read a good book instead or perhaps create a better social media platform that is fair to commies, fascists, socialists, libertarians, hippies, yuppies, jihadists, Nazis, democrat war hawks, and republican war hawks alike.

Is it ethical to not give terrorists platforms? Yes. Yes it is.

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Postby Starblaydia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:56 am

This thread has been getting a little raucous lately, temporarily locked pending a trawl.

Tornado Queendom wrote:
Picairn wrote:I can ask you the same question with the insurrection.

THAT'S IT! YOU'RE UNIRONICALLY ON MY FOES LIST!

TQ, the foes list is a good idea, but I'd recommend to stepping away when you're in this sort of state, lest you do something that will bring moderator action.

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San Montalbano wrote:Lol several? Jesus, NS that much if a echoe chamber huh?

English please

A couple of typos does not exclude this from being English. Either engage debate properly, or don't bother at all.

Odreria wrote:Storming the Capitol would have been justified if the cause it was done for hadn’t been so gay

You had a day's ban literally last month for trolling, so *** have another 24 hour break for trolling *** to consider your posting style.

Let's try and get back on track, shall we?
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Postby Xanthal » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:19 am

San Montalbano wrote:the left would never allow it

"The left" will presumably vote with their feet, along with everyone else. You may wish to consider the possibility that the reason these companies have turned their backs on you is that the number of people whose business they stand to lose is fewer by comparison to the alternative. You can attribute this to a massive conspiracy, but I think it's far more likely that you're just outnumbered- a theory borne out by the results of the election.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:21 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Xanthal wrote:Twitter and Facebook don't owe you anything. Their house, their rules. You wanted to let companies discriminate against people they didn't like, you got your wish. If you want to backtrack now you best back it up all the way.


Legally what they did is fine but is it ethical? I am glad some are questioning their inconsistent standards and hopefully they lose 70 million users in the next couple of weeks. Many things are legal but questionable ethically (people have opposing views). This includes eating meat, having abortions, not having abortions and giving away your unwanted kid, using condoms, ignoring homeless beggars, giving food to homeless beggars, driving a car instead of riding a bike, riding a bike made in China, and not letting someone share his ideas on your website because you disagree with them. What shocks me is that few people think Twitter (and many other big companies) are hypocritical.


The difference is still that in this case a direct link between a controversial action (storming the capitol) and the use of the platform by specific users could be ade.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:54 am

Days after an attempted coup, where details are now emerging that participants may have had plans to hold lawmakers hostage and maybe even kill them, and in the middle of a pandemic which sees between 3,000 and 4,000 Americans die every day, many Republicans are busy with the real scandal. No, not the potential economic disaster looming, but that the number of people following them on Twitter has gone down.

Focusing on the important stuff.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:32 am

In other news:
The PGA has stated that the American Golf Championship games will not be played on any Trump courses.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:39 am

The Alma Mater wrote:In other news:
The PGA has stated that the American Golf Championship games will not be played on any Trump courses.


Man this is just like 1984. How long will doublethink cause Trump to be unpersoned down the memory hole??
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Postby Xanthal » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:49 am

The Alma Mater wrote:In other news:
The PGA has stated that the American Golf Championship games will not be played on any Trump courses.

This game of pile-on would be a lot more impressive if Trump wasn't already on his way out the door.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:54 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:In other news:
The PGA has stated that the American Golf Championship games will not be played on any Trump courses.


Man this is just like 1984. How long will doublethink cause Trump to be unpersoned down the memory hole??

Technically it is the other way around - the population is unpersoning Big Brother ;)
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:08 am

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:08 am

Things are so bonkers I didn't even know there was a shooting spree, like a vintage one where it's a nutter going on about satan 'n stuff...like actual satan, not 'Nancy Pelosi is satan', just regular ol' satan.

Also, remember how another weird conspiracy theorist blew up an RV in Tennessee? That was only 20 days ago. Having a nutter in the white house try and blow up the whole country really sucks the oxygen out of the room.

Fauci and Biden are already beefing...that was news for like a second before the 6th, Biden wants to open the floodgates on the Pfizer vaccine but Fauci is worried if they do that they won't have enough for the second shot across the board.

This is not to say that these things are more important that the sitting US president trying to disrupt a procedural event certifying his successor and trying to get his Vice President killed. Just more of an acknowledgement of how big that event really is.
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Postby Asherahan » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:13 am

Picairn wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:Honestly, I think the Capitol Hill riots were justified. At this point, the alternative to rioting is the slow road to INGSOC.

"Slow road to INGSOC"

is this real or satire-

Embrace the Cringe. We shall reeducate this filthy redneck peasants! All Hail INGSOC.
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Postby CoraSpia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:13 am


I don't understand this, all that Cruz's objection would have done is to establish the creation of a commission to investigate the alegations. It isn't like he said people should invade the senate chamber.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:19 am

CoraSpia wrote:

I don't understand this, all that Cruz's objection would have done is to establish the creation of a commission to investigate the alegations. It isn't like he said people should invade the senate chamber.


And the whole thing with his speech outside.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:21 am

Vassenor wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:I don't understand this, all that Cruz's objection would have done is to establish the creation of a commission to investigate the alegations. It isn't like he said people should invade the senate chamber.


And the whole thing with his speech outside.

He seemed to be having fun
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Postby CoraSpia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:23 am

Vassenor wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:I don't understand this, all that Cruz's objection would have done is to establish the creation of a commission to investigate the alegations. It isn't like he said people should invade the senate chamber.


And the whole thing with his speech outside.

I haven't heard that, was it a good speech?
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