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Postby Picairn » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:06 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:We've just had the equivalent of FIVE George Floyds! Would you rather let Democracy die now with Trump in office or die later when Biden starts his authoritarian regime?

Stop spreading conspiracy theories. Biden's far less of an authoritarian than Trump.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:06 am

ImperialRussia wrote:This isn’t the storm the really big storm is when the world comes at us and tell us we’re to head in

Here's the thing...if it doesn't land the first time, it's probably not going to land the second.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:06 am

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She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?

She was apart of a violent mob that was chanting for the deaths of elected officials and was rapidly moving in on the position of those elected officials. The officers at the time had no knowledge if she was armed. All they knew is that they had to use force to put down a hostile and non responsive individual.

It’s no different than if some woman was walking up to the FOB with something wrapped up and held tight and she refuses to cooperate. You have to make a decision right then and there to protect yourself and everyone else


if she was part of a violent mob those cops that were two feet behind her with AR-15's sure didn't seem to feel they were being over ran.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:07 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:source?


no source, just opinion, i don't think he will make it a year.

so you don't have reason to call him senile then, ok lol
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Postby Bahia Roja » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:07 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:We've just had the equivalent of FIVE George Floyds! Would you rather let Democracy die now with Trump in office or die later when Biden starts his authoritarian regime?


You see, pal. Floyd died a victim of excessive force shown by a police officer.

The five that died in the protest, died either because of medical emergencies or because they were shot when they climbed with the intent to rush through a window... after being warned to not rush through the window.

Not at all comparable.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:07 am

Picairn wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:We've just had the equivalent of FIVE George Floyds! Would you rather let Democracy die now with Trump in office or die later when Biden starts his authoritarian regime?

Stop spreading conspiracy theories. Biden's far less of an authoritarian than Trump.


My favorite part about the Biden and Harris duo is their ability to jail black people. :roll:
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:08 am

Necroghastia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
4 years, dude wont make it 1 year, hes senile asf.

source?

You're not going to like the smell...
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:08 am

Bahia Roja wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:We've just had the equivalent of FIVE George Floyds! Would you rather let Democracy die now with Trump in office or die later when Biden starts his authoritarian regime?


You see, pal. Floyd died a victim of excessive force shown by a police officer.

The five that died in the protest, died either because of medical emergencies or because they were shot when they climbed with the intent to rush through a window... after being warned to not rush through the window.

Not at all comparable.


George Floyd resisted physically with the Officers, the lady who was shot hadn't even touched them.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:09 am

San Montalbano wrote:
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Floyd did cooperate, and even if he didn't, the force exercised by the policeman was excessive.

Babblit did not cooperate, and she was warned that they would shoot if she didn't back off, she didn't back off, so they shot.


She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?

I think that the "Riots" had no real malicious intent. Just a way of getting the "Biden is unfit for office" message across.
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Postby Bahia Roja » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:09 am

San Montalbano wrote:My favorite part about the Biden and Harris duo is their ability to jail black people. :roll:


As vile and disgusting they are, they are MILES ahead of Trump when talking about respecting human rights.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:09 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Picairn wrote:Stop spreading conspiracy theories. Biden's far less of an authoritarian than Trump.


My favorite part about the Biden and Harris duo is their ability to jail black people. :roll:

My favorite part about Trump and Pence duo is their ability to suppress a peaceful protest with tear gas and rubber bullets. :roll:
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:09 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:
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4 years, dude wont make it 1 year, hes senile asf.

So Kamala Harris will become Big Brother (or in this case, "Big Sister").
Still gonna be INGSOC by the time of the next election.

Dude read a different fucking book.

Seriously you’re like the SJWs you claim to hate when they constantly compare Harry Potter or any work of fiction to everything
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Postby Xanthal » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:09 am

There's a lot of equivocating and picking at details on both sides right now, which is usually a symptom of trying to justify a double standard.

"Well, yes, but Group 1 did it in Location A, to Person B, after they were told to by Party C, and they clearly had Intent D. Group 2 was at Location Y, and they were targeting Person Z. Party C had nothing to do with it, and they hate Intent D! It's completely different!"

If you're going to sanction a form of political violence and attach an "if" or a "but" to it, you will be accused of hypocrisy and your accuser will almost certainly have a valid point. If you're not prepared to accept that, it's a bad position to take.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:09 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?

I think that the "Riots" had no real malicious intent. Just a way of getting the "Biden is unfit for office" message across.


They didn't need to riot to show that Biden is unfit.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:09 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Smashing your way through a barrier after being told you are not permitted on the other hand...



she climbed it not smashed it.

The window was not the kind that opened. How do you get through a window that doesn't open? Hint: It's not a trick question and also, you know...we can see the fucking video so, ya know...
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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:10 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:
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Meh, george floyd didn't cooperate either, i see your point.

Would you rather let Democracy die now with Trump in office or die later when Biden starts his authoritarian regime?

I chuckled IRL. Neoliberal democracy isn't going to die, Biden is basically a continuation of the neoliberal consensus, and will just buy it a few more decades before it becomes untenable.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:10 am

Xanthal wrote:There's a lot of equivocating and picking at details on both sides right now, which is usually a symptom of trying to justify a double standard.

"Well, yes, but Group 1 did it in Location A, to Person B, after they were told to by Party C, and they clearly had Intent D. Group 2 was at Location Y, and they were targeting Person Z. Party C had nothing to do with it, and they hate Intent D! It's completely different!"

If you're going to sanction a form of political violence and attach an "if" or a "but" to it, you will be accused of hypocrisy and your accuser will almost certainly have a valid point. If you're not prepared to accept that, it's a bad position to take.


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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:10 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?

I think that the "Riots" had no real malicious intent. Just a way of getting the "Biden is unfit for office" message across.

oh yeah, planting bombs, erecting a gallows, trying to shoot and force their way into the rooms with the congresspeople, stealing sensitive personal tech
nothing malicious at all :roll:
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:10 am

Picairn wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:We've just had the equivalent of FIVE George Floyds! Would you rather let Democracy die now with Trump in office or die later when Biden starts his authoritarian regime?

Stop spreading conspiracy theories. Biden's far less of an authoritarian than Trump.

How is spreading a Hypothesis of an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan, formulated in secret by two or more persons, a bad thing?
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Postby Diahon » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:10 am

Bahia Roja wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?


Right. Maybe she just wanted to be heard while there were hundreds of terrorists, some of them armed on the other side. Nothing bad could have happened if she got hold of one of the senators, I'm sure of that!


exactly

for you see, had one or more congresspeople died, they would've been committed by antifaa few, but they lived, so clearly they were no threat

and had they actually succeeded in their aim to kill everyone inside and give trump another four years or till he kills everyone else, whichever comes firstwhatever it was -- clearly we don't know at this point -- surely they wouldn't actually install trump as president, they'll accept biden succeeding him in office, because they're such good democrats who just want a little coupaccountability

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:10 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Smashing your way through a barrier after being told you are not permitted on the other hand...



she climbed it not smashed it.

how the fuck do you climb through a closed window without smashing it
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:10 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:

she climbed it not smashed it.

The window was not the kind that opened. How do you get through a window that doesn't open? Hint: It's not a trick question and also, you know...we can see the fucking video so, ya know...


All i see is a guy in a suit murder a unarmed women who was mostly peacefully protesting.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:11 am

Kowani wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:

she climbed it not smashed it.

how the fuck do you climb through a closed window without smashing it


oh so now your saying she presented no immediate threat.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:11 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:
Picairn wrote:Stop spreading conspiracy theories. Biden's far less of an authoritarian than Trump.

How is spreading a Hypothesis of an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan, formulated in secret by two or more persons, a bad thing?

when there's no evidence for it lmao
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:11 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Bahia Roja wrote:
Floyd did cooperate, and even if he didn't, the force exercised by the policeman was excessive.

Babblit did not cooperate, and she was warned that they would shoot if she didn't back off, she didn't back off, so they shot.


She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?


Welll there is this ability oh you know arrange a meeting with your officials. You don’t show up with a mob, smashing doors and windows, attacking guards with chants like hang Mike Pence. You don’t usually try to jump through a smashed window after the guards with guns warn you off.
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