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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:01 am

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San Montalbano wrote:Meh, george floyd didn't cooperate either, i see your point.


Floyd did cooperate, and even if he didn't, the force exercised by the policeman was excessive.

Babblit did not cooperate, and she was warned that they would shoot if she didn't back off, she didn't back off, so they shot.


She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:01 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Meh, george floyd didn't cooperate either, i see your point.


Yea all that can’t breath talk so disruptive.


quite
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:01 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Hell at 2:14 we have photographic evidence that a black USCPD officer led a mob away from the unguarded senate room. At 2:16 the senate room was locked down. For literally two minutes there was a possibility of dead US senators


and their was the possibility that BLM/ANTIFA was going to rush the white house during the DC riots in the summer, your point?

And we had several thousand troops in the area for that event. They didn’t try anything because we made sure they wouldn’t.

In this case however the exact opposite happens and we had little to no protection. Even though the FBI and NYPD warned of this happening
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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:02 am

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Punished UMN wrote:You guys realize INGSOC is a fictional organization created by hack author George Orwell for his simpleton take on politics in his surprisingly hit book 1984, right?

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Postby Diahon » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:02 am

see, the past few pages have been a demonstration of "SEMANTICS!"

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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:02 am

Punished UMN wrote:You guys realize INGSOC is a fictional organization created by hack author George Orwell for his simpleton take on politics in his surprisingly hit book 1984, right?

Yeah, but Biden might end up being a carbon-copy of INGSOC by the time his 4 years in office are over and the Wheels of the MAGA train start spinning again.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:02 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
and their was the possibility that BLM/ANTIFA was going to rush the white house during the DC riots in the summer, your point?

And we had several thousand troops in the area for that event. They didn’t try anything because we made sure they wouldn’t.

In this case however the exact opposite happens and we had little to no protection. Even though the FBI and NYPD warned of this happening


oh they tried pushing the barricade, so they did have an intent to push through it, they just sucked at it, but they still tried.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:03 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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6 people were shot and killed by the protesters?

One cop had his brain smashed in. In addition four protesters where killed


Actually.

The cop you mentioned.
One cop suicided after the insurrection.
One protestor shot as she tried to jump through a window.
Three had medical situations
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:03 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:You guys realize INGSOC is a fictional organization created by hack author George Orwell for his simpleton take on politics in his surprisingly hit book 1984, right?

Yeah, but Biden might end up being a carbon-copy of INGSOC by the time his 4 years in office are over and the Wheels of the MAGA train start spinning again.


4 years, dude wont make it 1 year, hes senile asf.
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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:03 am

Senkaku wrote:
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considering the "coup" was mostly peaceful, no it dosn't make sense.

r/WasThisACoup: I (42M) was peacefully beaten to death by a mob (36M, 47M, 62M, 21M, 32F, etc.) trying to storm the Capitol (171, seat of government)

The Hague was like "you are charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity" like relax bitch reddit said I wasn't the asshole
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:03 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
6 people were shot and killed by the protesters?

One cop had his brain smashed in. In addition four protesters where killed

I can't track down if one of them gave himself a heart attack by tazing his nuts over and over again of if that's just internet bullshit, mostly because i don't want to google 'protester nut taze heart attack'.
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Postby Bahia Roja » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:03 am

San Montalbano wrote:She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?


Right. Maybe she just wanted to be heard while there were hundreds of terrorists, some of them armed on the other side. Nothing bad could have happened if she got hold of one of the senators, I'm sure of that!
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:03 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:One cop had his brain smashed in. In addition four protesters where killed


Actually.

The cop you mentioned.
One cop suicided after the insurrection.
One protestor shot as she tried to jump through a window.
Three had medical situations


^ this
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:03 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:One cop had his brain smashed in. In addition four protesters where killed


Actually.

The cop you mentioned.
One cop suicided after the insurrection.
One protestor shot as she tried to jump through a window.
Three had medical situations

*2 had medical situations
1 was trampled
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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:04 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:You guys realize INGSOC is a fictional organization created by hack author George Orwell for his simpleton take on politics in his surprisingly hit book 1984, right?

Yeah, but Biden might end up being a carbon-copy of INGSOC by the time his 4 years in office are over and the Wheels of the MAGA train start spinning again.

I wish Orwell had never written his shitty books so we could have a reasonable discourse about dystopianism. Huxley is much better.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:04 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:Yeah, but Biden might end up being a carbon-copy of INGSOC by the time his 4 years in office are over and the Wheels of the MAGA train start spinning again.


4 years, dude wont make it 1 year, hes senile asf.

source?
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:04 am

San Montalbano wrote:
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They didn’t know and she would have made it through if she hadn’t been shot. Such is the way of an insurrectionist.


Meh, george floyd didn't cooperate either, i see your point.

We've just had the equivalent of FIVE George Floyds! Would you rather let Democracy die now with Trump in office or die later when Biden starts his authoritarian regime?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:05 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Bahia Roja wrote:
Floyd did cooperate, and even if he didn't, the force exercised by the policeman was excessive.

Babblit did not cooperate, and she was warned that they would shoot if she didn't back off, she didn't back off, so they shot.


She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?

Smashing your way through a barrier after being told you are not permitted on the other hand...
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:05 am

Necroghastia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
4 years, dude wont make it 1 year, hes senile asf.

source?


no source, just opinion, i don't think he will make it a year.
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“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
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Postby Bahia Roja » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:05 am

Tornado Queendom wrote:Yeah, but Biden might end up being a carbon-copy of INGSOC by the time his 4 years in office are over and the Wheels of the MAGA train start spinning again.


Huh? That doesn't even make sense in the context of the book...
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:05 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?

Smashing your way through a barrier after being told you are not permitted on the other hand...



she climbed it not smashed it.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:06 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Bahia Roja wrote:
Floyd did cooperate, and even if he didn't, the force exercised by the policeman was excessive.

Babblit did not cooperate, and she was warned that they would shoot if she didn't back off, she didn't back off, so they shot.


She presented literally no threat to anyone, wanting to get into the room is not an indication she had any lethal intent.

maybe she just wanted to be heard in the hall of congress?

She was apart of a violent mob that was chanting for the deaths of elected officials and was rapidly moving in on the position of those elected officials. The officers at the time had no knowledge if she was armed. All they knew is that they had to use force to put down a hostile and non responsive individual.

It’s no different than if some woman was walking up to the FOB with something wrapped up and held tight and she refuses to cooperate. You have to make a decision right then and there to protect yourself and everyone else
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:06 am

Punished UMN wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:Yeah, but Biden might end up being a carbon-copy of INGSOC by the time his 4 years in office are over and the Wheels of the MAGA train start spinning again.

I wish Orwell had never written his shitty books so we could have a reasonable discourse about dystopianism. Huxley is much better.

You sure BNW wouldn't just become the new go-to for people who have no idea what they're talking about to mindlessly reference?
because ive already seen some people do that
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:06 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:Yeah, but Biden might end up being a carbon-copy of INGSOC by the time his 4 years in office are over and the Wheels of the MAGA train start spinning again.


4 years, dude wont make it 1 year, hes senile asf.

So Kamala Harris will become Big Brother (or in this case, "Big Sister").
Still gonna be INGSOC by the time of the next election.
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