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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:43 pm

Heloin wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Overall, it seems the protestor with the best and most unique/recognizable attire was Jake Angeli. The horns, fur, and buffalo pants, I love it. He looks like a stereotypical Viking/savage. The only thing I'd change about his outfit would be for them to get a shirt that matches or goes well with their pants. The bare chested thing is a bit too unchaste for a lot of people and he needs a shirt to deal with cold/air conditioning better.

I’ve seen better furry costumes.


I've seen better furries in front of four seasons landscaping in this very topic ;)
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:44 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Overall, it seems the protestor with the best and most unique/recognizable attire was Jake Angeli. The horns, fur, and buffalo pants, I love it. He looks like a stereotypical Viking/savage. The only thing I'd change about his outfit would be from them to get a shirt that matches or goes well with their pants. The bare chested thing is a bit too unchaste and he needs a shirt to deal with cold/air conditioning better.

I thought he looked like a Flintstone going to the bowling alley...

Goddamn it I've been trying to put my finger on what he reminded me of and it's the Grand Pooh Bah.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:44 pm

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Yes and it's fully justified in my eyes. The crowd had been chanting about killing officials and were getting closer and closer to them. A single shot is fired at the first person trying to get past a barricade and it just so happens to be a lethal one.


Wow. It's kinda impressive that, in THIS of all cases (you always alluded how rotten it is) you jump on a genuinely bad hill, defending a tragic incident and justifiying it, to the defense of a rotten system?


It's not a bad hill. It's a justified shoot in every possible way.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:46 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:I think you're reading that quote wrong. He's not saying we need the current Republican Party in it's current state, it's more about the second part, a principled and strong opposition to stress test ideas. The Democrats are miiiiiiiiiiles from infallible whether you sit to the left or right of them. LIkewise, even with the best intentions whatever adjective you use to describe those further to the left than the Democratic Party (without comment about how much space that represents) aren't always going to come up with the best ideas.
I too have fondness for the ideas put forward by the Hardliners tovarich, or are the Republicans the reformers?

It gets very hard to tell, fortunately it is possible for hardliners (or reformers) like Gorbachev can come to power. I am concerned about the disobedience of the KGB Alpha Unit in putting down the insurrection, only for the KGB Alpha Unit to recover their honor by putting down the insurrection by government officials in the White House.

Well, that's' certainly is a bunch of things you said.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:46 pm

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes and it's fully justified in my eyes. The crowd had been chanting about killing officials and were getting closer and closer to them. A single shot is fired at the first person trying to get past a barricade and it just so happens to be a lethal one.


Wow. It's kinda impressive that, in THIS of all cases (you always alluded how rotten it is) you jump on a genuinely bad hill, defending a tragic incident and justifiying it, to the defense of a rotten system?

I mean it kinda was justified? They were attempting to break down the door and all and were clearly not coming with good intentions. That does not make it not tragic however. This death should not have happened. None of the five deaths should of happened. Hence why Trump needs to be held accountable for what happened on the 6th.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:47 pm

Honestly i agree with Wash. Its horrible that someone died, but i think the officer/agent who fired was justified given the close proximity of VIP's and the rioters had at multiple times at this point looked for elected officials on the grounds of the capital building and made multiple threats against them. Its completely understandable why that officer fired.

I mean they were actively trying to breakdown the door and get into those agents and those they were guarding whilst ignoring the orders of the officers on their side of the door and also pushing up against them.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:48 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Wow. It's kinda impressive that, in THIS of all cases (you always alluded how rotten it is) you jump on a genuinely bad hill, defending a tragic incident and justifiying it, to the defense of a rotten system?


It's not a bad hill. It's a justified shoot in every possible way.


No dude you're just choosing a genuinely bad hill here to defend.

So shooting someone in what was by all objective measures a tensed and tragic situation, shooting someone who was slightly disturbing the circle jerk of a pathetic political caste without class who doesnt gives a shit about a dying population and nation in their fancy suits, fancy building and bullshit pretenses about "representing the people" is actually totally justified and totally worthy case? Of all cases and causes in the universe?

Is that your real measure here?
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Postby Kanadorika » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:49 pm

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes and it's fully justified in my eyes. The crowd had been chanting about killing officials and were getting closer and closer to them. A single shot is fired at the first person trying to get past a barricade and it just so happens to be a lethal one.


Wow. It's kinda impressive that, in THIS of all cases (you always alluded how rotten it is) you jump on a genuinely bad hill, defending a tragic incident and justifiying it, to the defense of a rotten system?

Yes. Using lethal force to defend our elected legislators from an angry mob shouting death threats is perfectly acceptable.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:50 pm

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's not a bad hill. It's a justified shoot in every possible way.


No dude you're just choosing a genuinely bad hill here to defend.

So shooting someone in what was by all objective measures a tensed and tragic situation, shooting someone who was slightly disturbing the circle jerk of a pathetic political caste without class who doesnt gives a shit about a dying population and nation in their fancy suits, fancy building and bullshit pretenses about "representing the people" is actually totally justified and totally worthy case? Of all cases and causes in the universe?

Is that your real measure here?

Is the hill your choosing on that they should have just let the rioters in? Even when some were clearly intent on violent actions? I get your angry about how ineffective Congress can be, but come on dude. Like I am not one to defend the police on many things, but when you have a mob breaking down a door with some clearly intent on violence, shooting is justified in that case. Now their is a limit and I do not want to see police doing any more then they have to but I think the officer who shot was justified in this case.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:50 pm

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's not a bad hill. It's a justified shoot in every possible way.


No dude you're just choosing a genuinely bad hill here to defend.

So shooting someone in what was by all objective measures a tensed and tragic situation, shooting someone who was slightly disturbing the circle jerk of a pathetic political caste without class who doesnt gives a shit about a dying population and nation in their fancy suits, fancy building and bullshit pretenses about "representing the people" is actually totally justified and totally worthy case? Of all cases and causes in the universe?

Is that your real measure here?


"Someone who was slightly disturbing the circlejerk of a pathetic political caste"

Anon they set up a noose outside and were walking around the building chanting about killing Pence and Pelosi. That is blatant treason, they're lucky they weren't met with automatic fire.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:51 pm

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's not a bad hill. It's a justified shoot in every possible way.


No dude you're just choosing a genuinely bad hill here to defend.

So shooting someone in what was by all objective measures a tensed and tragic situation, shooting someone who was slightly disturbing the circle jerk of a pathetic political caste without class who doesnt gives a shit about a dying population and nation in their fancy suits, fancy building and bullshit pretenses about "representing the people" is actually totally justified and totally worthy case? Of all cases and causes in the universe?

Is that your real measure here?


So the capitol police should have completely abandoned trying to protect the legislators of Congress because you don't like them?
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Postby Kanadorika » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nakena wrote:
No dude you're just choosing a genuinely bad hill here to defend.

So shooting someone in what was by all objective measures a tensed and tragic situation, shooting someone who was slightly disturbing the circle jerk of a pathetic political caste without class who doesnt gives a shit about a dying population and nation in their fancy suits, fancy building and bullshit pretenses about "representing the people" is actually totally justified and totally worthy case? Of all cases and causes in the universe?

Is that your real measure here?


"Someone who was slightly disturbing the circlejerk of a pathetic political caste"

Anon they set up a noose outside and were walking around the building chanting about killing Pence and Pelosi. That is blatant treason, they're lucky they weren't met with automatic fire.

A private citizen can shoot an angry mob breaking into their house trying to kill him.

But the police can't shoot an angry mob breaking in the capitol trying to kill Congressmen.

Or something.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:53 pm

Nakena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's not a bad hill. It's a justified shoot in every possible way.


No dude you're just choosing a genuinely bad hill here to defend.

So shooting someone in what was by all objective measures a tensed and tragic situation, shooting someone who was slightly disturbing the circle jerk of a pathetic political caste without class who doesnt gives a shit about a dying population and nation in their fancy suits, fancy building and bullshit pretenses about "representing the people" is actually totally justified and totally worthy case? Of all cases and causes in the universe?

Is that your real measure here?

A violent insurrectionist who stormed the Capitol with the intention of taking hostages and possibly if not probably murdering members of congress, their staff, and the Vice President. And you think it is excessive force to shoot that person?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:54 pm

I dont like Mike Pence either but if i was a cop or a guard there i wouldnt let him get dragged out and fucking Hung or stabbed or some shit.
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Postby Andsed » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:56 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:57 pm



impeached simply starts the process. You need two thirds vote in the senate to convict and remove from office.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:57 pm



Will he pardon all the stormers just before it happens ? Stay tuned !
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Postby Danternoust » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:57 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:I dont like Mike Pence either but if i was a cop or a guard there i wouldnt let him get dragged out and fucking Hung or stabbed or some shit.

I don't know, Yeltsin was able to give a speech in a public square surrounded by Soviet police snipers.

I mean, it is somewhat unusual for the KGB to not know how to plan coups.

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Postby Andsed » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:58 pm

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Andsed wrote:The sooner Trump is impeached the better.


impeached simply starts the process. You need two thirds vote in the senate to convict and remove from office.

Yes I am aware of that Lumen. But any kind of punishment is needed for Trumps role in all this so I am willing to take anything at this point.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:59 pm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:I dont like Mike Pence either but if i was a cop or a guard there i wouldnt let him get dragged out and fucking Hung or stabbed or some shit.

I don't know, Yeltsin was able to give a speech in a public square surrounded by Soviet police snipers.

I mean, it is somewhat unusual for the KGB to not know how to plan coups.

The KGB were never good at doing coups, that was more of a CIA thing. The KGB preferred to send the might Soviet Army into other countries then get bogged down in Afghanistan for a decade.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:00 pm

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:02 pm

It is a joke though that the US capital building got breached that easily. Absolute joke.

Its the fucking US and yous let that happen so damn easily.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:03 pm

@all who responded me

Whoa whoa!

I'd like to remind you that if you saw the Video you'd knew there were three SWAT officers with rifles behind her and the other intruders. Shadowing them closely as they made their way into the building, and making sure they werent going to harm anyone. They were immediatly present the moment she had been gunned down.

The guy who did shoot her, was clearly acting under stress. It was a tragic incident. Hence he has been suspended and will be investigated properly.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:07 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:It is a joke though that the US capital building got breached that easily. Absolute joke.

Its the fucking US and yous let that happen so damn easily.

For new security measures there's this movie I think they should watch. It's about some kid fighting off home invaders, I think the president was in it at one point.

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