American Politics Impeachment: 2 fast? No, we're 2 furious

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

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The guy in the corner, white hair and black hoodie, made me think for a second that Palpatine was there.

[Nejii]

More the question of why they opened the barriers?

SOURCE; https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-police ... eo-1559728

However, officers only backed away after being threatened while being vastly outnumbered, DiPaola said.

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@marcus.dipaola
Group just pushed Capitol police

"They definitely didn't just open the barriers, the pro-Trump rioters made a fist like they were going to punch the cops, which is why I started recording, then they backed off the barricades," he told Newsweek in an email when asked for extra context to the clip.

"Completely outnumbered, there wouldn't have been any point in fighting. The rioters moved up the steps of the capitol pretty quickly, capitol police tried to hold them back but they didn't have riot shields and really got pushed around.

"That's when I saw the pro-Trump mob reach the upper steps of the capitol, they smashed in the window and just kept hammering at the door until a bunch of them got in."

Bump because I want this seen.

[Senkaku]

YT will be giving strikes to channels that post misinfo on this

mfw

I believe the security organs are divided on which side they support.

At the command level, maybe.

[Nakena]

Conspiracies and counter-conspiracies.

Not a conspiracy in the sense of everything being meticulously planned years ahead of time, but my guess is that the people in charge of sending reinforcements or giving the order to deploy crowd dispersal stuff (gas, flashbangs, etc.) were either waiting to see what was gonna go down (i.e., they suspected someone else had planned for this to be a full-blown coup, and wanted to see what transpired before taking a side), or decided that they were actively supportive of the effort, and to that end delayed deploying reinforcements.

Like I said in my earlier post, i believe most security forces are divided in their sympathies between trumpists and bidenists. Possibly the majority still follows orders and what not, but given the political situation and the surfacing issues in chain of command I can assume the morale isnt exactly the highest, which makes such events more likely.

[Irona]

More the question of why they opened the barriers?

SOURCE; https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-police ... eo-1559728

However, officers only backed away after being threatened while being vastly outnumbered, DiPaola said.

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@marcus.dipaola
Group just pushed Capitol police

"They definitely didn't just open the barriers, the pro-Trump rioters made a fist like they were going to punch the cops, which is why I started recording, then they backed off the barricades," he told Newsweek in an email when asked for extra context to the clip.

"Completely outnumbered, there wouldn't have been any point in fighting. The rioters moved up the steps of the capitol pretty quickly, capitol police tried to hold them back but they didn't have riot shields and really got pushed around.

"That's when I saw the pro-Trump mob reach the upper steps of the capitol, they smashed in the window and just kept hammering at the door until a bunch of them got in."

We're in for some very interesting security breakdowns in a few weeks once they've investigated everything that went wrong. How can you have so few officers at such a long planned and major protest? Surely the first job of law enforcement is to ensure that if things do kick-off, they've got enough manpower to at least put up some resistance.

[Senkaku]

SOURCE; https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-police ... eo-1559728

However, officers only backed away after being threatened while being vastly outnumbered, DiPaola said.

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@marcus.dipaola
Group just pushed Capitol police

"They definitely didn't just open the barriers, the pro-Trump rioters made a fist like they were going to punch the cops, which is why I started recording, then they backed off the barricades," he told Newsweek in an email when asked for extra context to the clip.

"Completely outnumbered, there wouldn't have been any point in fighting. The rioters moved up the steps of the capitol pretty quickly, capitol police tried to hold them back but they didn't have riot shields and really got pushed around.

"That's when I saw the pro-Trump mob reach the upper steps of the capitol, they smashed in the window and just kept hammering at the door until a bunch of them got in."

Bump because I want this seen.

Sorry, we're expected to believe that because "the pro-Trump made a fist like they were going to punch the cops," the cops were so terrified that they abandoned the defenses of the nation's seat of government to an armed mob? Damn, if only I'd thought to do this in August when people were protesting outside the Seattle Police Department's West Precinct! Just make a fist and the cops run away! Good to know for the future.

Someone was fucking in on it. Either the people manning the barricades (whether that was a subconscious affinity/lack of willingness to fight, or overtly in on a plan), or the commanders who failed to deploy adequate numbers of personnel and adequate measures to hold back the crowd.

[Nejii]

SOURCE; https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-police ... eo-1559728

However, officers only backed away after being threatened while being vastly outnumbered, DiPaola said.

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@marcus.dipaola
Group just pushed Capitol police

"They definitely didn't just open the barriers, the pro-Trump rioters made a fist like they were going to punch the cops, which is why I started recording, then they backed off the barricades," he told Newsweek in an email when asked for extra context to the clip.

"Completely outnumbered, there wouldn't have been any point in fighting. The rioters moved up the steps of the capitol pretty quickly, capitol police tried to hold them back but they didn't have riot shields and really got pushed around.

"That's when I saw the pro-Trump mob reach the upper steps of the capitol, they smashed in the window and just kept hammering at the door until a bunch of them got in."

We're in for some very interesting security breakdowns in a few weeks once they've investigated everything that went wrong. How can you have so few officers at such a long planned and major protest?

Unsure on that...

[Dylar]

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Nice to see that National Treasure 3 is finally being filmed

[Nejii]

Bump because I want this seen.

Sorry, we're expected to believe that because "the pro-Trump made a fist like they were going to punch the cops," the cops were so terrified that they abandoned the defenses of the nation's seat of government to an armed mob? Damn, if only I'd thought to do this in August when people were protesting outside the Seattle Police Department's West Precinct! Just make a fist and the cops run away! Good to know for the future.

Someone was fucking in on it. Either the people manning the barricades (whether that was a subconscious affinity/lack of willingness to fight, or overtly in on a plan), or the commanders who failed to deploy adequate numbers of personnel and adequate measures to hold back the crowd.

Could be.

But, I wouldn't write off just flat incompetence regarding deployment numbers.

[Kanadorika]

SOURCE; https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-police ... eo-1559728

However, officers only backed away after being threatened while being vastly outnumbered, DiPaola said.

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@marcus.dipaola
Group just pushed Capitol police

"They definitely didn't just open the barriers, the pro-Trump rioters made a fist like they were going to punch the cops, which is why I started recording, then they backed off the barricades," he told Newsweek in an email when asked for extra context to the clip.

"Completely outnumbered, there wouldn't have been any point in fighting. The rioters moved up the steps of the capitol pretty quickly, capitol police tried to hold them back but they didn't have riot shields and really got pushed around.

"That's when I saw the pro-Trump mob reach the upper steps of the capitol, they smashed in the window and just kept hammering at the door until a bunch of them got in."

We're in for some very interesting security breakdowns in a few weeks once they've investigated everything that went wrong. How can you have so few officers at such a long planned and major protest? Surely the first job of law enforcement is to ensure that if things do kick-off, they've got enough manpower to at least put up some resistance.

To be frank, the US has fumbled almost response to just about every endeavour it has taken the last year. We really should co-opt that old Russian saying of "and then it got worse."

[Kowani]

Head of the Council of Economic Advisors resigns

[Senkaku]

Sorry, we're expected to believe that because "the pro-Trump made a fist like they were going to punch the cops," the cops were so terrified that they abandoned the defenses of the nation's seat of government to an armed mob? Damn, if only I'd thought to do this in August when people were protesting outside the Seattle Police Department's West Precinct! Just make a fist and the cops run away! Good to know for the future.

Someone was fucking in on it. Either the people manning the barricades (whether that was a subconscious affinity/lack of willingness to fight, or overtly in on a plan), or the commanders who failed to deploy adequate numbers of personnel and adequate measures to hold back the crowd.

Could be.

But, I wouldn't write off just flat incompetence regarding deployment numbers.

In which case, why didn't they withdraw to reinforce a shorter perimeter, or at least to control the entrances to the building, or even to prevent the rioters from besieging the House and Senate chambers once they were inside? People are going to such lengths to avoid coming to the most obvious conclusion: there are Trump sympathizers inside the Capitol Police force who allowed this to happen. The entire organization needs to be purged top-to-bottom.

[Torisakia]

Bump because I want this seen.

Sorry, we're expected to believe that because "the pro-Trump made a fist like they were going to punch the cops," the cops were so terrified that they abandoned the defenses of the nation's seat of government to an armed mob? Damn, if only I'd thought to do this in August when people were protesting outside the Seattle Police Department's West Precinct! Just make a fist and the cops run away! Good to know for the future.

Someone was fucking in on it. Either the people manning the barricades (whether that was a subconscious affinity/lack of willingness to fight, or overtly in on a plan), or the commanders who failed to deploy adequate numbers of personnel and adequate measures to hold back the crowd.

I think it's pretty clear that the police were in on it. It makes sense, given everything that happened with police in the past few years.

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Bump because I want this seen.

Sorry, we're expected to believe that because "the pro-Trump made a fist like they were going to punch the cops," the cops were so terrified that they abandoned the defenses of the nation's seat of government to an armed mob? Damn, if only I'd thought to do this in August when people were protesting outside the Seattle Police Department's West Precinct! Just make a fist and the cops run away! Good to know for the future.

Someone was fucking in on it. Either the people manning the barricades (whether that was a subconscious affinity/lack of willingness to fight, or overtly in on a plan), or the commanders who failed to deploy adequate numbers of personnel and adequate measures to hold back the crowd.

To be fair, cops have the mentality that their own safety comes first at any cost. That's why if someone reaches into their pocket and there is even the smallest chance they might have a weapon, they shoot them until their guns are empty.

[Rusozak]

Sorry, we're expected to believe that because "the pro-Trump made a fist like they were going to punch the cops," the cops were so terrified that they abandoned the defenses of the nation's seat of government to an armed mob? Damn, if only I'd thought to do this in August when people were protesting outside the Seattle Police Department's West Precinct! Just make a fist and the cops run away! Good to know for the future.

Someone was fucking in on it. Either the people manning the barricades (whether that was a subconscious affinity/lack of willingness to fight, or overtly in on a plan), or the commanders who failed to deploy adequate numbers of personnel and adequate measures to hold back the crowd.

I think it's pretty clear that the police were in on it. It makes sense, given everything that happened with police in the past few years.

Saying the Police as a whole were in on it is a bit of radical step in line with a lot of crazy conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't put it past individual cops to sympathize.

[Kowani]

Could be.

But, I wouldn't write off just flat incompetence regarding deployment numbers.

In which case, why didn't they withdraw to reinforce a shorter perimeter, or at least to control the entrances to the building, or even to prevent the rioters from besieging the House and Senate chambers once they were inside? People are going to such lengths to avoid coming to the most obvious conclusion: there are Trump sympathizers inside the Capitol Police force who allowed this to happen. The entire organization needs to be purged top-to-bottom.

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[Danternoust]

SOURCE; https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-police ... eo-1559728

However, officers only backed away after being threatened while being vastly outnumbered, DiPaola said.

NEWSWEEK SUBSCRIPTION OFFERS >
@marcus.dipaola
Group just pushed Capitol police

"They definitely didn't just open the barriers, the pro-Trump rioters made a fist like they were going to punch the cops, which is why I started recording, then they backed off the barricades," he told Newsweek in an email when asked for extra context to the clip.

"Completely outnumbered, there wouldn't have been any point in fighting. The rioters moved up the steps of the capitol pretty quickly, capitol police tried to hold them back but they didn't have riot shields and really got pushed around.

"That's when I saw the pro-Trump mob reach the upper steps of the capitol, they smashed in the window and just kept hammering at the door until a bunch of them got in."

We're in for some very interesting security breakdowns in a few weeks once they've investigated everything that went wrong. How can you have so few officers at such a long planned and major protest? Surely the first job of law enforcement is to ensure that if things do kick-off, they've got enough manpower to at least put up some resistance.

Except Congress has the sole authority of the Capitol Police, and Congress themselves could ask for additional security.

This isn't the President's fault, for once.

[Torisakia]

I think it's pretty clear that the police were in on it. It makes sense, given everything that happened with police in the past few years.

Saying the Police as a whole were in on it is a bit of radical step in line with a lot of crazy conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't put it past individual cops to sympathize.

I'd say at least 85% of the force present were in on it to some degree.

[Senkaku]

I think it's pretty clear that the police were in on it. It makes sense, given everything that happened with police in the past few years.

Saying the Police as a whole were in on it is a bit of radical step in line with a lot of crazy conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't put it past individual cops to sympathize.

This would have required senior officers as well as the grunts down at the barricades. At what point are you comfortable going from a criticism of individuals to a criticism of the institutions comprised of those individuals and acting at their behest?

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5332 ... re-lied-to

Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas) on Thursday chastised President Trump as well as his GOP colleagues in Congress for opposing the election results and inciting the violent breach in the Capitol the day before.

“All of the members who called for everyone to come and fight and make their last stand, all of those members were scattered like cowards while the Capitol Police had to do the fighting,” the former Navy SEAL told Hearst Newspapers on Thursday.

These people have been lied to en masse by the millions,” said Crenshaw. “In the sense that they were led to believe Jan. 6 was anything but a political performance for a few opportunistic politicians to give a five-minute speech. That is all that it ever was. People were lied to.”

[Valrifell]

In which case, why didn't they withdraw to reinforce a shorter perimeter, or at least to control the entrances to the building, or even to prevent the rioters from besieging the House and Senate chambers once they were inside? People are going to such lengths to avoid coming to the most obvious conclusion: there are Trump sympathizers inside the Capitol Police force who allowed this to happen. The entire organization needs to be purged top-to-bottom.

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Let's run an experiment, let's get Antifa to storm the Capitol. That way we can confirm or reject this hypothesis.

[Mzeusia]

The entire organization needs to be purged top-to-bottom.

I don't think America needs purges at this time.

[Nejii]

In which case, why didn't they withdraw to reinforce a shorter perimeter, or at least to control the entrances to the building, or even to prevent the rioters from besieging the House and Senate chambers once they were inside? People are going to such lengths to avoid coming to the most obvious conclusion: there are Trump sympathizers inside the Capitol Police force who allowed this to happen. The entire organization needs to be purged top-to-bottom.

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Link?

[Valrifell]

The entire organization needs to be purged top-to-bottom.

I don't think America needs purges at this time.

If it's to cleanse insurrectionists then I politely disagree.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/regulation/533234-f ... itol-riots

A federal prosecutor investigating the riots that engulfed the Capitol this week said he would not close the door to investigating and charging President Trump for his comments to the crowd of protesters shortly before they stormed the halls of Congress on Wednesday.

Michael Sherwin, the acting U.S. Attorney for D.C., repeatedly told reporters on Thursday that his office would be investigating and potentially charging "all actors" involved in Wednesday's riot.

"I don't want to sound like a broken record," Sherwin said when specifically pressed about Trump's speech at a rally for his supporters that day. "I'm going to stand by my earlier statement, we're looking at all actors here, and anyone that had a role and the evidence fits the elements of a crime, they're going to be charged."