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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:23 am

I hate this. I think someone here alluded to the fact that legally speaking, it is difficult to establish whether or not the perpetrator acted with a clear intent to kill or not. Beyond that, his motive, whether it was racially motivated or not, impossible to establish. What I do know is that, ethically, what happened in Kenosha was a travesty. The video alone broke my heart.

There are always going to be small-minded, narrow-minded individuals who want to argue that because Jacob Blake himself was not the most ethical man, it helps the case of the cop. Of course, that is certainly not the case, because every human life is valuable, and nobody deserves to be riddled with bullets in front of their kids, especially when the man did not have a gun and was not holding a weapon at the time he was shot at repeatedly. He had a knife in his vicinity, but not in his hand when he entered the vehicle.

I pray for the day when our police departments can learn how to de-escalate like adults, and not like over armed, steroid-laden man-children who don't deserve to be on the force. Blake is lucky he narrowly survived, but his injuries are extensive. If there is divine justice out there, surely the cop might get some when his time comes. 5 prior internal investigations held against him in one of the most notoriously corrupt police unions in the entire Midwest is a very, very bad look for his character as a person and as a police officer.

We should expect better.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:28 am

They talked to him, physically tried to restrain him, and tazed him twice. "De-escalate" isn't a magic word. Jacob Blake had the power to end the situation at any time, he chose to escalate it to the point that it was manifestly dangerous for him to be alive a second longer.

Also Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand as he walked around the car. I don't know where this idea he didn't came from, the officers reported it, he admitted it, the videos show it.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:54 am

Des-Bal wrote:They talked to him, physically tried to restrain him, and tazed him twice. "De-escalate" isn't a magic word. If Jacob Blake had the power to end the situation at any time, he chose to escalate it to the point that it was manifestly dangerous for him to be alive a second longer.

Also Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand as he walked around the car. I don't know where this idea he didn't came from, the officers reported it, he admitted it, the videos show it.


It's almost like were on an episode of "Who's line is it anyway", where the facts are made up and the evidence doesn't matter.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:27 pm

Des-Bal wrote:They talked to him, physically tried to restrain him, and tazed him twice. "De-escalate" isn't a magic word. If Jacob Blake had the power to end the situation at any time, he chose to escalate it to the point that it was manifestly dangerous for him to be alive a second longer.

Also Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand as he walked around the car. I don't know where this idea he didn't came from, the officers reported it, he admitted it, the videos show it.

this is false
the officers claimed it
he admitted he had a knife, yes-in his car, not his hand

not...sure what videos you've been seeing, tbh
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:36 pm

Kowani wrote:this is false
the officers claimed it
he admitted he had a knife, yes-in his car, not his hand

not...sure what videos you've been seeing, tbh


https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/26/doj-jac ... rrest-him/
Go to 45, at a little before 46 he brings the blade above his dark colored pants so you can see it clearly. The guy was fucking armed.

Also- even if he didn't it implies he was trying to enter the vehicle the mother said he was trying to steal with the child the mother said he was trying to kidnap where he had a knife.

There's so much justification for the shooting of Jacob Blake that even when you try to downplay the evidence it just makes more.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:59 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Kowani wrote:this is false
the officers claimed it
he admitted he had a knife, yes-in his car, not his hand

not...sure what videos you've been seeing, tbh


https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/26/doj-jac ... rrest-him/
Go to 45, at a little before 46 he brings the blade above his dark colored pants so you can see it clearly. The guy was fucking armed.

Also- even if he didn't it implies he was trying to enter the vehicle the mother said he was trying to steal with the child the mother said he was trying to kidnap where he had a knife.

There's so much justification for the shooting of Jacob Blake that even when you try to downplay the evidence it just makes more.

looking into the shooting more, it appears he did indeed have a knife, you're correct
that doesn't..change much
as we all know, when someone is walking away from you, the only recourse is to shoot them in the back

anyway...the assertion that blake was trying to kidnap the children and steal the car (i know you didn't make the latter one, but it'll be relevant in a second) is problematic at best
see, the woman who called it in originally said Blake was trying to steal her car and keys (she was also the woman who claimed he was taking the children when Sheskey arrived)

the problem here is that a) they were his own kids
b) he brought at least one of them there (as confirmed by an independent witness who saw Blake with his child prior to the shooting

so in this version of events, Blake brought at least one of the children to the house for a birthday party, and then, for some mysterious reason, tried to take the other two, despite no witnesses saying anything about the children putting up even a token resistance
and the only person supporting this tale is the woman who called the police and has bad history with blake in the first place
sounds fucking bulletproof to me
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:13 pm

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looking into the shooting more, it appears he did indeed have a knife, you're correct

anyway...the assertion that blake was trying to kidnap the children and steal the car (i know you didn't make the latter one, but it'll be relevant in a second) is problematic at best
see, the woman who called it in originally said Blake was trying to steal her car and keys (she was also the woman who claimed he was taking the children when Sheskey arrived)

the problem here is that a) they were his own kids
b) he brought at least one of them there (as confirmed by an independent witness who saw Blake with his child prior to the shooting

so in this version of events, Blake brought at least one of the children to the house for a birthday party, and then, for some mysterious reason, tried to take the other two, despite no witnesses saying anything about the children putting up even a token resistance
and the only person supporting this tale is the woman who called the police and has bad history with blake in the first place
sounds fucking bulletproof to me[/quote]
I don't care. I mean good on you, spirited defense, I'd gut you in court for suggesting if the kids aren't crying it's not a kidnapping but it has no bearing on anything that happened. It's not rare or even uncommon for parents to kidnap their children especially if they have bad history with the other parent. Nothing about the situation said "let the armed man take the children and the car" so unambiguously that allowing him to leave with them would be in any way excusable. If Blake felt he was in the right he could have made that case to the police or to the judge if they charged him, a headlock and armed resistance is not how you voice your displeasure.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:31 pm

Des-Bal wrote:I don't care. I mean good on you, spirited defense, I'd gut you in court for suggesting if the kids aren't crying it's not a kidnapping but it has no bearing on anything that happened. It's not rare or even uncommon for parents to kidnap their children especially if they have bad history with the other parent. Nothing about the situation said "let the armed man take the children and the car" so unambiguously that allowing him to leave with them would be in any way excusable. If Blake felt he was in the right he could have made that case to the police or to the judge if they charged him, a headlock and armed resistance is not how you voice your displeasure.


Ah yes, immediately taking the police’s story of events as accurate
Meanwhile, Blake’s attorneys claimed he was immediately physically set upon by the police as soon as they arrived
Sure, they’re not a disinterested party or a neutral arbiter, but neither are the police in this situation. (For that matter, Blake’s own account contradicts their version of events, but somehow, I doubt you’ll believe him over the police)

Yeah, letting him go would be inexcusable with the knowledge they had at the time. The cops are, after all, only human.
The problem, however, is that firing 7 shots at a man’s back is also inexcusable.
1 shot, 2 shots, fine. 3 shots, okay. Gotta save the kids, right?
7? Nah. At that point, you’ve lost all discipline.
Especially considering Blake’s reaction to being shot, which was to put his hands up and sit down.
And yet the officer kept shooting.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:03 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ah yes, immediately taking the police’s story of events as accurate
Meanwhile, Blake’s attorneys claimed he was immediately physically set upon by the police as soon as they arrived
Sure, they’re not a disinterested party or a neutral arbiter, but neither are the police in this situation. (For that matter, Blake’s own account contradicts their version of events, but somehow, I doubt you’ll believe him over the police)

Yeah, letting him go would be inexcusable with the knowledge they had at the time. The cops are, after all, only human.
The problem, however, is that firing 7 shots at a man’s back is also inexcusable.
1 shot, 2 shots, fine. 3 shots, okay. Gotta save the kids, right?
7? Nah. At that point, you’ve lost all discipline.
Especially considering Blake’s reaction to being shot, which was to put his hands up and sit down.
And yet the officer kept shooting.


Everybody except Blake and his lawyers are saying he was fighting the police, it's possible they attacked him like jaguars without any special reason and blake is a totally innocent knife wielding man with warrants for domestic violence who was reported to be stealing a car and group of children but it seems pretty fucking unlikely.

I mean that's just 100% bullshit. All these people saying "7 shots is insane!" are meting out bullets as though they were the punishment levied out to be commensurate with Blake's level of impropriety. Fucking no. Blake was shot because Blake presented a mortal threat, the officers chose to brave that mortal threat by taking every possible measure to avoid using lethal force. When no alternative existed the officer fired, not to scare him, not to wound him or show him how naughty he's being, but to stop him even if it meant killing him. If you've got a video of Jacob Blake putting his hands up I'd like to see it because the videos I've seen show Blake armed, resisting, and trying to gain control of the vehicle even after he's shot several times, the bullets stop after he stops moving.
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Postby Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:17 pm

A lot of people in this thread really seem to like it when black people are shot...

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:21 pm

Miternet wrote:A lot of people in this thread really seem to like it when black people are shot...

A lot of people in this thread seem to make nebulous accusations of racism to avoid substantive analysis. What, other than his skin color, suggests there was something wrong with the blake shooring?
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Postby Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:25 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Miternet wrote:A lot of people in this thread really seem to like it when black people are shot...

A lot of people in this thread seem to make nebulous accusations of racism to avoid substantive analysis. What, other than his skin color, suggests there was something wrong with the blake shooring?


The fact that the cop was too much of a pussy to take on a man with a knife without shooting him. But please, tell me why Blake deserved to be crippled.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:36 pm

Miternet wrote:The fact that the cop was too much of a pussy to take on a man with a knife without shooting him. But please, tell me why Blake deserved to be crippled.


You seem so tough and cool, tell me how many armed men you've disarmed sensei.

Because he presented a mortal threat, same standard for any instance of self defense or defense of another.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:39 pm

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Des-Bal wrote:A lot of people in this thread seem to make nebulous accusations of racism to avoid substantive analysis. What, other than his skin color, suggests there was something wrong with the blake shooring?


The fact that the cop was too much of a pussy to take on a man with a knife without shooting him. But please, tell me why Blake deserved to be crippled.


"Pussy"? Have you never heard the phrase "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"? Whether the officer was in the right or wrong, shooting a dude with a knife is the smart play. Leaving your gun holstered and just... fucking walking up to him? That'd but worthy of nothing short of a Darwin Award.
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Postby Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:12 pm

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Miternet wrote:The fact that the cop was too much of a pussy to take on a man with a knife without shooting him. But please, tell me why Blake deserved to be crippled.


You seem so tough and cool, tell me how many armed men you've disarmed sensei.


I don't think I ever claimed to be an expert in conflict resolution. But then, I'm not the one with the badge.

Because he presented a mortal threat, same standard for any instance of self defense or defense of another.


An unarmed man walking away from you is not a mortal threat. I think my initial assessment that certain people in this thread just like seeing black men getting shot was accurate.

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The fact that the cop was too much of a pussy to take on a man with a knife without shooting him. But please, tell me why Blake deserved to be crippled.


"Pussy"? Have you never heard the phrase "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"? Whether the officer was in the right or wrong, shooting a dude with a knife is the smart play. Leaving your gun holstered and just... fucking walking up to him? That'd but worthy of nothing short of a Darwin Award.


He didn't have the knife on him. Also if you can't think of a non lethal way to apprehend an unarmed suspect then I really hope you're not a cop and have no plans to become one in the future.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:22 pm

Miternet wrote:
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"Pussy"? Have you never heard the phrase "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"? Whether the officer was in the right or wrong, shooting a dude with a knife is the smart play. Leaving your gun holstered and just... fucking walking up to him? That'd but worthy of nothing short of a Darwin Award.


He didn't have the knife on him. Also if you can't think of a non lethal way to apprehend an unarmed suspect then I really hope you're not a cop and have no plans to become one in the future.


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Kowani wrote:this is false
the officers claimed it
he admitted he had a knife, yes-in his car, not his hand

not...sure what videos you've been seeing, tbh


https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/26/doj-jac ... rrest-him/
Go to 45, at a little before 46 he brings the blade above his dark colored pants so you can see it clearly. The guy was fucking armed.

Also- even if he didn't it implies he was trying to enter the vehicle the mother said he was trying to steal with the child the mother said he was trying to kidnap where he had a knife.

There's so much justification for the shooting of Jacob Blake that even when you try to downplay the evidence it just makes more.

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Miternet wrote:A lot of people in this thread really seem to like it when black people are shot...

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There are a lot of ways to express your opinion. This isn't one of them.


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Postby Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:38 pm

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He didn't have the knife on him. Also if you can't think of a non lethal way to apprehend an unarmed suspect then I really hope you're not a cop and have no plans to become one in the future.


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https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/26/doj-jac ... rrest-him/
Go to 45, at a little before 46 he brings the blade above his dark colored pants so you can see it clearly. The guy was fucking armed.

Also- even if he didn't it implies he was trying to enter the vehicle the mother said he was trying to steal with the child the mother said he was trying to kidnap where he had a knife.

There's so much justification for the shooting of Jacob Blake that even when you try to downplay the evidence it just makes more.


Using one of your own posts as a source is bad form.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:54 pm

Miternet wrote:An unarmed man walking away from you is not a mortal threat. I think my initial assessment that certain people in this thread just like seeing black men getting shot was accurate.

The issue isn't that you're not an expert it's that from your place of admitted ignorance you're making rash judgements about what should be possible.
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Using one of your own posts as a source is bad form.

He didn't he used one of mine which in turn used alonk to a video and your frankly silly arguments about form in no way change the fact he clearly had a knife.
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Esternial wrote:Seven times...a bit excessive, innit?


Not really - the calculation is really just “am I now using lethal force?”. If the answer is yes, one bullet is not inherently less lethal than seven. A single shot can kill someone instantly. You’ve already passed that barrier of using lethal force. At that point the calculation remaining is not how many times do I shoot this man to keep him alive, but how many times do I shoot this man to have the highest probability of him no longer being a threat.

Most military and law enforcement personnel are trained to perform what we call a magdump on a target within their threat range - you shoot until the magazine runs dry, because that gives the highest probability that that threat is no longer a threat.

The answer to the question of “why was he shot seven times?” isn’t “because the officer thought that six would be too few”, but rather that the officer probably didn’t have more bullets.

And as we've learned from cases where drugged-up suspects have taken multiple gunshots and still kept on charging like a rhino, sometimes the only way to render the suspect not a threat is to not stop shooting until they drop to the ground.
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Postby Sundiata » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:18 pm

Disgusting.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:21 pm

Sundiata wrote:Disgusting.

Someone made in the image of God shot down like an animal, is that the kind of country we choose to be?

No, obviously we're the kind that surrenders children to armed men.

Also you don't shoot animals in cars, that's almost exclusively a method of shooting humans.
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Postby Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:25 pm

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G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Not really - the calculation is really just “am I now using lethal force?”. If the answer is yes, one bullet is not inherently less lethal than seven. A single shot can kill someone instantly. You’ve already passed that barrier of using lethal force. At that point the calculation remaining is not how many times do I shoot this man to keep him alive, but how many times do I shoot this man to have the highest probability of him no longer being a threat.

Most military and law enforcement personnel are trained to perform what we call a magdump on a target within their threat range - you shoot until the magazine runs dry, because that gives the highest probability that that threat is no longer a threat.

The answer to the question of “why was he shot seven times?” isn’t “because the officer thought that six would be too few”, but rather that the officer probably didn’t have more bullets.

And as we've learned from cases where drugged-up suspects have taken multiple gunshots and still kept on charging like a rhino, sometimes the only way to render the suspect not a threat is to not stop shooting until they drop to the ground.


Was he charging though? As I recall, he was walking away from the cop as he was shot.

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