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by Major-Tom » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:23 am
by Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:28 am
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Paddy O Fernature » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:54 am
Des-Bal wrote:They talked to him, physically tried to restrain him, and tazed him twice. "De-escalate" isn't a magic word. If Jacob Blake had the power to end the situation at any time, he chose to escalate it to the point that it was manifestly dangerous for him to be alive a second longer.
Also Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand as he walked around the car. I don't know where this idea he didn't came from, the officers reported it, he admitted it, the videos show it.
by Kowani » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:27 pm
Des-Bal wrote:They talked to him, physically tried to restrain him, and tazed him twice. "De-escalate" isn't a magic word. If Jacob Blake had the power to end the situation at any time, he chose to escalate it to the point that it was manifestly dangerous for him to be alive a second longer.
Also Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand as he walked around the car. I don't know where this idea he didn't came from, the officers reported it, he admitted it, the videos show it.
by Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:36 pm
Kowani wrote:this is false
the officers claimed it
he admitted he had a knife, yes-in his car, not his hand
not...sure what videos you've been seeing, tbh
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Kowani » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:59 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Kowani wrote:this is false
the officers claimed it
he admitted he had a knife, yes-in his car, not his hand
not...sure what videos you've been seeing, tbh
https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/26/doj-jac ... rrest-him/
Go to 45, at a little before 46 he brings the blade above his dark colored pants so you can see it clearly. The guy was fucking armed.
Also- even if he didn't it implies he was trying to enter the vehicle the mother said he was trying to steal with the child the mother said he was trying to kidnap where he had a knife.
There's so much justification for the shooting of Jacob Blake that even when you try to downplay the evidence it just makes more.
by Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:13 pm
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Kowani » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:31 pm
Des-Bal wrote:I don't care. I mean good on you, spirited defense, I'd gut you in court for suggesting if the kids aren't crying it's not a kidnapping but it has no bearing on anything that happened. It's not rare or even uncommon for parents to kidnap their children especially if they have bad history with the other parent. Nothing about the situation said "let the armed man take the children and the car" so unambiguously that allowing him to leave with them would be in any way excusable. If Blake felt he was in the right he could have made that case to the police or to the judge if they charged him, a headlock and armed resistance is not how you voice your displeasure.
by Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:03 pm
Kowani wrote:
Ah yes, immediately taking the police’s story of events as accurate
Meanwhile, Blake’s attorneys claimed he was immediately physically set upon by the police as soon as they arrived
Sure, they’re not a disinterested party or a neutral arbiter, but neither are the police in this situation. (For that matter, Blake’s own account contradicts their version of events, but somehow, I doubt you’ll believe him over the police)
Yeah, letting him go would be inexcusable with the knowledge they had at the time. The cops are, after all, only human.
The problem, however, is that firing 7 shots at a man’s back is also inexcusable.
1 shot, 2 shots, fine. 3 shots, okay. Gotta save the kids, right?
7? Nah. At that point, you’ve lost all discipline.
Especially considering Blake’s reaction to being shot, which was to put his hands up and sit down.
And yet the officer kept shooting.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:21 pm
Miternet wrote:A lot of people in this thread really seem to like it when black people are shot...
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:25 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Miternet wrote:A lot of people in this thread really seem to like it when black people are shot...
A lot of people in this thread seem to make nebulous accusations of racism to avoid substantive analysis. What, other than his skin color, suggests there was something wrong with the blake shooring?
by Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:36 pm
Miternet wrote:The fact that the cop was too much of a pussy to take on a man with a knife without shooting him. But please, tell me why Blake deserved to be crippled.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:39 pm
Miternet wrote:Des-Bal wrote:A lot of people in this thread seem to make nebulous accusations of racism to avoid substantive analysis. What, other than his skin color, suggests there was something wrong with the blake shooring?
The fact that the cop was too much of a pussy to take on a man with a knife without shooting him. But please, tell me why Blake deserved to be crippled.
by Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:12 pm
Because he presented a mortal threat, same standard for any instance of self defense or defense of another.
by Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:14 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Miternet wrote:
The fact that the cop was too much of a pussy to take on a man with a knife without shooting him. But please, tell me why Blake deserved to be crippled.
"Pussy"? Have you never heard the phrase "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"? Whether the officer was in the right or wrong, shooting a dude with a knife is the smart play. Leaving your gun holstered and just... fucking walking up to him? That'd but worthy of nothing short of a Darwin Award.
by Paddy O Fernature » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:22 pm
Miternet wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
"Pussy"? Have you never heard the phrase "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"? Whether the officer was in the right or wrong, shooting a dude with a knife is the smart play. Leaving your gun holstered and just... fucking walking up to him? That'd but worthy of nothing short of a Darwin Award.
He didn't have the knife on him. Also if you can't think of a non lethal way to apprehend an unarmed suspect then I really hope you're not a cop and have no plans to become one in the future.
Des-Bal wrote:Kowani wrote:this is false
the officers claimed it
he admitted he had a knife, yes-in his car, not his hand
not...sure what videos you've been seeing, tbh
https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/26/doj-jac ... rrest-him/
Go to 45, at a little before 46 he brings the blade above his dark colored pants so you can see it clearly. The guy was fucking armed.
Also- even if he didn't it implies he was trying to enter the vehicle the mother said he was trying to steal with the child the mother said he was trying to kidnap where he had a knife.
There's so much justification for the shooting of Jacob Blake that even when you try to downplay the evidence it just makes more.
by Farnhamia » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:23 pm
Miternet wrote:A lot of people in this thread really seem to like it when black people are shot...
by Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:38 pm
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Miternet wrote:
He didn't have the knife on him. Also if you can't think of a non lethal way to apprehend an unarmed suspect then I really hope you're not a cop and have no plans to become one in the future.Des-Bal wrote:
https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/26/doj-jac ... rrest-him/
Go to 45, at a little before 46 he brings the blade above his dark colored pants so you can see it clearly. The guy was fucking armed.
Also- even if he didn't it implies he was trying to enter the vehicle the mother said he was trying to steal with the child the mother said he was trying to kidnap where he had a knife.
There's so much justification for the shooting of Jacob Blake that even when you try to downplay the evidence it just makes more.
by Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:54 pm
Miternet wrote:An unarmed man walking away from you is not a mortal threat. I think my initial assessment that certain people in this thread just like seeing black men getting shot was accurate.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by The Two Jerseys » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:10 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Esternial wrote:Seven times...a bit excessive, innit?
Not really - the calculation is really just “am I now using lethal force?”. If the answer is yes, one bullet is not inherently less lethal than seven. A single shot can kill someone instantly. You’ve already passed that barrier of using lethal force. At that point the calculation remaining is not how many times do I shoot this man to keep him alive, but how many times do I shoot this man to have the highest probability of him no longer being a threat.
Most military and law enforcement personnel are trained to perform what we call a magdump on a target within their threat range - you shoot until the magazine runs dry, because that gives the highest probability that that threat is no longer a threat.
The answer to the question of “why was he shot seven times?” isn’t “because the officer thought that six would be too few”, but rather that the officer probably didn’t have more bullets.
by Sundiata » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:18 pm
by Des-Bal » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:21 pm
Sundiata wrote:Disgusting.
Someone made in the image of God shot down like an animal, is that the kind of country we choose to be?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Miternet » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:25 pm
The Two Jerseys wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Not really - the calculation is really just “am I now using lethal force?”. If the answer is yes, one bullet is not inherently less lethal than seven. A single shot can kill someone instantly. You’ve already passed that barrier of using lethal force. At that point the calculation remaining is not how many times do I shoot this man to keep him alive, but how many times do I shoot this man to have the highest probability of him no longer being a threat.
Most military and law enforcement personnel are trained to perform what we call a magdump on a target within their threat range - you shoot until the magazine runs dry, because that gives the highest probability that that threat is no longer a threat.
The answer to the question of “why was he shot seven times?” isn’t “because the officer thought that six would be too few”, but rather that the officer probably didn’t have more bullets.
And as we've learned from cases where drugged-up suspects have taken multiple gunshots and still kept on charging like a rhino, sometimes the only way to render the suspect not a threat is to not stop shooting until they drop to the ground.
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