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Postby Gothgraff and Lilium » Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:26 pm

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Rusten Sheskey will not face charges in the shooting of Jacob Blake, Kenosha County District Attorney Michael Graveley announced Tuesday.

Sheskey, a White officer, shot Blake, a 29-year-old Black man, seven times in the back while responding to a domestic incident on August 23, 2020. Blake survived the shooting but was left paralyzed from the waist down.

"It is my decision now that no Kenosha law enforcement officer will be charged with any criminal offense based on the facts and laws," Graveley said Tuesday.

Tuesday's announcement comes as anger continues to mount across the country at the repeated deaths of Black people at the hands of police. The summer of 2020 saw protests -- some of which turned violent -- calling for police reform and an end to police brutality, sparked by the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and others.

Graveley announced there will be no charges for the other two officers involved in the incident. They were identified by the Wisconsin Justice Department in September as Officers Vincent Arenas and Brittany Meronek.
Blake will also not face charges, Graveley said.

Sheskey told investigators that he used deadly force during the chaotic encounter because he was afraid Blake, while attempting to flee the scene, was trying to kidnap a child in the backseat of the vehicle.

The Wisconsin Department of Justice had said Blake had a knife in his possession and the weapon was found on the floorboard of his vehicle. Blake himself told authorities he possessed a knife, Graveley said.

"Jacob Blake, while actively resisting, arms himself with a knife," Graveley said, adding that he's heard supports of Blake say he was unarmed. "It's absolutely incontrovertible that Jacob Blake was armed with a knife during this encounter ... All the discussion that he's unarmed contradicts even what he himself has said multiple times."...


Tensions are set to rise the United States of America has another instance where an African-American Man was shot an unreasonable amount of times and the district attorney of said Cop's department announces that they will not face charges. Nationstates, whats your opinion on it? Was their excessive force? Is the District Attorney right to not charge him?

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:30 pm

The problem is these cases are based on what the police think, if they say they thought they were in danger that is essentially enough unless you can prove there's no way a person could possibly believe they were in danger. That's an extremely hard thing to prove and no one can really dispute the inner thoughts of a policeman.

So by the law it's probably correct, is it right? God no.
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Postby Cordel One » Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:41 pm

It's not surprising, but it is horrible. The police have been proven to be incapable of regulating themselves.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:05 pm

Meh.

Unfamiliar with the finer details of this incident, so can't really comment either way.

*Edit*

If the last three sentences of the article provided prove to be accurate, where the guy was resisting arrest armed with a knife and attempting to kidnap a innocent child as appears to be (as the criminal shot openly admits to being armed at least) then I honestly can't fault the officer for shooting him even multiple times.
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:32 pm

Defund the police. Recall the prosecutor.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:34 pm

And then people complain when riots happen. This is why
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:35 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Meh.

Unfamiliar with the finer details of this incident, so can't really comment either way.

*Edit*

If the last three sentences of the article provided prove to be accurate, where the guy was resisting arrest armed with a knife and attempting to kidnap a innocent child as appears to be (as the criminal shot openly admits to being armed at least) then I honestly can't fault the officer for shooting him even multiple times.


You live in the future where judge dredd is a thing?
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:37 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:And then people complain when riots happen. This is why


How many more rioters will be shot by right wingers who are inevitably acquitted this time?
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Postby Oscana » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:45 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Meh.

Unfamiliar with the finer details of this incident, so can't really comment either way.

*Edit*

If the last three sentences of the article provided prove to be accurate, where the guy was resisting arrest armed with a knife and attempting to kidnap a innocent child as appears to be (as the criminal shot openly admits to being armed at least) then I honestly can't fault the officer for shooting him even multiple times.


The police statement is so wildly different from witness statements and video of the incident that it is... hard to know what is the truth. Someone cynical might say the police are blatantly lying to protect themselves.

At the very least - the children involved were Blake's (I'm not aware of anything that prevented Blake from having custody but it is possible). The vehicle belonged to Blake and with 3 of his sons in the back of the car at the time of the incident it seems unlikely they were forcibly kidnapped during the encounter.
Video of the incident does not appear to show Blake wielding a knife at any point during the encounter, and the officers seem rather vague on whether the knife was relevant to the shooting. Blake is followed by multiple armed officers to his car and is shot after he opens the door. It seems likely to me that there was a knife in the car and it was discovered after officers shot Blake. Video doesn't show anyone in any immediate danger at the time of the shooting.

Notably, Blake was never charged with anything relating to the incident during which he was shot (he was arrested based on previous 3rd degree sexual assualt charges which were later plead down to a misdemeanour). If there was indeed an 'attempted kidnapping' then I think it would have been in everyone's interests for those charges to be laid - the lack of them suggests no such thing occurred and the justification used by the shooting officer was (at best) a hasty judgement made from lack of information.

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:56 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Meh.

Unfamiliar with the finer details of this incident, so can't really comment either way.

*Edit*

If the last three sentences of the article provided prove to be accurate, where the guy was resisting arrest armed with a knife and attempting to kidnap a innocent child as appears to be (as the criminal shot openly admits to being armed at least) then I honestly can't fault the officer for shooting him even multiple times.


You live in the future where judge dredd is a thing?


The cop brought a gun to a knife fight.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:57 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You live in the future where judge dredd is a thing?


The cop brought a gun to a knife fight.


sounds like he made the smart decision.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:12 am

Oscana wrote:SNIP.

Or maybe the police thought getting paralyzed was punishment enough.

Got to admit that's a pretty major consequence.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:39 am

Well, good. A brain-dead lawyer would have had the officer walking anyway. Happy the prosecutor isn’t going to waste any time or money now that we know the facts.

In other news, time to start the reparations train!

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:46 am

Can't say I agree here tbh. Yeah Blake was armed but from the video I just see no immediate reason to blast him. Any number of basic takedowns could have eliminated him with no threat.

Either way the pussy who shot him clearly has no business being a police officer.
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Postby Jedi Council » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Can't say I agree here tbh. Yeah Blake was armed but from the video I just see no immediate reason to blast him. Any number of basic takedowns could have eliminated him with no threat.

Either way the pussy who shot him clearly has no business being a police officer.

This is what always mystifies me; even if someone has a knife, or other form of non-firearm, then the first response should not be put a bullet in him, but to perform any of the many disarmament techniques that self defense experts have surely shared with police.

An officer should only draw his firearm, let alone fire it, when every other option has been exhausted
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:58 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Can't say I agree here tbh. Yeah Blake was armed but from the video I just see no immediate reason to blast him. Any number of basic takedowns could have eliminated him with no threat.

Either way the pussy who shot him clearly has no business being a police officer.


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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Can't say I agree here tbh. Yeah Blake was armed but from the video I just see no immediate reason to blast him. Any number of basic takedowns could have eliminated him with no threat.

Either way the pussy who shot him clearly has no business being a police officer.

This is what always mystifies me; even if someone has a knife, or other form of non-firearm, then the first response should not be put a bullet in him, but to perform any of the many disarmament techniques that self defense experts have surely shared with police.

An officer should only draw his firearm, let alone fire it, when every other option has been exhausted


Not sure if either of you actually read the witness reports or watched prosecutor’s briefing, but the two officers on scene had already grappled and administered strikes to Blake for a solid four minutes, then he pulled a knife. Once a knife entered the equation the game changed and they backed off, as is standard protocol when confronting someone who is armed. They then tazed him twice, which he tanked while still holding the knife.

Not sure what other less-lethal methods they could have employed at that point, tbqh.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:02 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Can't say I agree here tbh. Yeah Blake was armed but from the video I just see no immediate reason to blast him. Any number of basic takedowns could have eliminated him with no threat.

Either way the pussy who shot him clearly has no business being a police officer.


Jedi Council wrote:This is what always mystifies me; even if someone has a knife, or other form of non-firearm, then the first response should not be put a bullet in him, but to perform any of the many disarmament techniques that self defense experts have surely shared with police.

An officer should only draw his firearm, let alone fire it, when every other option has been exhausted


Not sure if either of you actually read the witness reports or watched prosecutor’s briefing, but the two officers on scene had already grappled and administered strikes to Blake for a solid four minutes, then he pulled a knife. Once a knife entered the equation the game changed and they backed off, as is standard protocol when confronting someone who is armed. They then tazed him twice, which he tanked while still holding the knife.

Not sure what other less-lethal methods they could have employed at that point, tbqh.


In the video he's literally slowly walking with his back to the officers, one of whom already has a hand on Blake. Like, if you've done even a single day of BJJ or Judo you could take him down easy and be done with it there, and it speaks volumes to just how useless police training actually is that they couldn't. They should count themselves lucky Blake didn't want to kill them because these inept morons would have died to anyone with even a bit of determination for murder.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:16 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Meh.

Unfamiliar with the finer details of this incident, so can't really comment either way.

*Edit*

If the last three sentences of the article provided prove to be accurate, where the guy was resisting arrest armed with a knife and attempting to kidnap a innocent child as appears to be (as the criminal shot openly admits to being armed at least) then I honestly can't fault the officer for shooting him even multiple times.


You live in the future where judge dredd is a thing?

And if the kid was kidnapped you’d been wondering why the police did nothing to stop them
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:26 am

Disarm criminals. Don't fucking attempt to murder them.
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Postby Loben III » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:28 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Disarm criminals. Don't fucking murder them.


Blake is still alive irc.
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:31 am

Loben III wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Disarm criminals. Don't fucking murder them.


Blake is still alive irc.


Well there is a difference between disarming andtaking someone down, and shooting them. There is no reason why they should have shot them, if only because they knew they could. On top of that, getting away with it.
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Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Loben III wrote:
Blake is still alive irc.


Well there is a difference between disarming andtaking someone down, and shooting them. There is no reason why they should have shot them, if only because they knew they could. On top of that, getting away with it.


As said easier by someone else, apparently they tazed the guy twice and tried getting physical.
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:45 am

Loben III wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Well there is a difference between disarming andtaking someone down, and shooting them. There is no reason why they should have shot them, if only because they knew they could. On top of that, getting away with it.


As said easier by someone else, apparently they tazed the guy twice and tried getting physical.


That still is no reason to shoot him.
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Postby Loben III » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:48 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
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As said easier by someone else, apparently they tazed the guy twice and tried getting physical.


That still is no reason to shoot him.


They exhausted basically every other option.
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