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Postby Cordel One » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:10 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Adamede wrote:But if you point that out you’re a supposedly a pessimist and misanthrope.

But comrade, bourgeoisie will willingly allow their wealth to be redistributed and will not attempt to hoard anything!

Oh, but you don't need cops when you adhere to Piñata Economics.
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Postby Molither » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:12 pm

Any attempts at abolishing the police lead to an even more incompetent and flawed system of law enforcement


Look at what happened at CHAZ - the police free autonomous zone in Washington. The CHAZ security officers shot and killed two innocent Black men - the irony being they were set up by the BLM movement. Their alternatives to the police were far more violent and racist than the official police force.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:14 pm

Cordel One wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:But comrade, bourgeoisie will willingly allow their wealth to be redistributed and will not attempt to hoard anything!

Oh, but you don't need cops when you adhere to Piñata Economics.

If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...
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Postby Molither » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:18 pm

When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". -Some Russian idk
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:21 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Oh, but you don't need cops when you adhere to Piñata Economics.

If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

No, piñata economics. Money doesn't trickle down, but you can make it come down by hitting the rich with large sticks.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:27 pm

Molither wrote:When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". -Some Russian idk

No, but when the people get ahold of that stick...
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Postby Stylan » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:28 pm

Yes, but they need to be drastically reformed and replaced with community patrols that are accountable to the people they police.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:34 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Molither wrote:When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". -Some Russian idk

No, but when the people get ahold of that stick...

...they beat each other until only the "correct" people have the stick.
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Postby Cordel One » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:29 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Cordel One wrote:No, but when the people get ahold of that stick...

...they beat each other until only the "correct" people have the stick.

Not at all.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:32 am

Cordel One wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:...they beat each other until only the "correct" people have the stick.

Not at all.

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Postby Cordel One » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:35 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Not at all.

*laughs in Cheka/NKVD/KGB*

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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:46 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Not at all.

*laughs in Cheka/NKVD/KGB*

Molither wrote:When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick". -Some Russian idk


I've never argued "people's police" aren't police. Just as many leftist thinkers have noted there can be no "people's state" I also believe there can be no "people's police".
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Postby Kubra » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:46 am

Labbos wrote:
Kubra wrote:because this "militarised police" that was not called police was based out of an aspiration to abolish police, *as I said*. Police abolition became policing but worse. You're *really* committed to this non-topic, are you?


I wouldn't point to one example of abolishing the police having failed and say that means it must always fail. That doesn't logically follow; lot's of things failed once but succeeded later. Better to look at the current proposals and point out issues with them.
Perhaps not, but it *does* demonstrate the primacy of policy over labeling. Which would, you know, support *my* point.
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Postby Travislavania » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:14 am

we go into anarchy if not for them
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:49 am

With all due respect how is this thread still going? Yes we need law enforcement of some kind although the current kind we have is shit tier and despicably crooked.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:50 am

Molither wrote:Any attempts at abolishing the police lead to an even more incompetent and flawed system of law enforcement


Look at what happened at CHAZ - the police free autonomous zone in Washington. The CHAZ security officers shot and killed two innocent Black men - the irony being they were set up by the BLM movement. Their alternatives to the police were far more violent and racist than the official police force.


Racist? Lmfao.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:51 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Oh, but you don't need cops when you adhere to Piñata Economics.

If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

Pretty much all of their counter arguments are strawmen for future reference.
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:15 am

Adamede wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

Pretty much all of their counter arguments are strawmen for future reference.

Are they now?
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:25 am

Adamede wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:If you're referring to capitalism, nobody said that capitalist societies don't need police, so...

Pretty much all of their counter arguments are strawmen for future reference.


Odd, given we managed to give logical enough counter arguments that a few pages ago everyone was talking about the definition of police abolition itself.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:25 am

Travislavania wrote:we go into anarchy if not for them


Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:27 am

Sanghyeok wrote:
Travislavania wrote:we go into anarchy if not for them


Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?

As soon as you're willing to lose all your stuff.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:33 am

Sanghyeok wrote:
Travislavania wrote:we go into anarchy if not for them


Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?

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Sanghyeok wrote:Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?


Do the mish-mosh everybody.
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Postby ArranVidLand » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:28 pm

Yes, we need the police

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Sanghyeok wrote:
Travislavania wrote:we go into anarchy if not for them


Excellent, when can we start abolishing then?

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