Do we even need police?

[Des-Bal]

Correct! Police uphold the law, the law upholds white supremacy, therefore the police uphold white supremacy.

The law and therefore police also uphold the stranglehold the ruling class has on the people but one thing at a time.

Which is why it's all about that Mish Mosh.

[Sanghyeok]

Correct! Police uphold the law, the law upholds white supremacy, therefore the police uphold white supremacy.

The law and therefore police also uphold the stranglehold the ruling class has on the people but one thing at a time.

Which is why it's all about that Mish Mosh.

So instead of offering refuting evidence (which I said I would be willing to read if you had any), you can only use name-calling on our argument instead?

[Des-Bal]

So instead of offering refuting evidence (which I said I would be willing to read if you had any), you can only use name-calling on our argument instead?

You asked for sources on an argument I explained I don't think is valid. Mish Mosh isn't my refutation, it's my meaningful glance and the woefully unmaintained axe you're lugging about. My redutation was pointing out that the thing you're calling upholding white supremacy is the police failing to seize control of the power to write laws.

[Dragoon Republic]

Of course we need the police. Soon, if the left has it's way, there will be extremely tight gun laws leaving more people defenseless. Take away the police and what you have is a bloodbath

No one on the left wants to ban all guns nor abolish the police.

Just out of curiosity, do you know you're lying or have you really never seen leftists on the internet? If you've seen more than 10, you've seen at least 3 who want those exact things. On this very thread, at that. It sounds more like lying than ignorance, but neither are good.

[Dragoon Republic]

The police uphold the law, if you want to bitch about the law do it to lawmakers.

Correct! Police uphold the law, the law upholds white supremacy, therefore the police uphold white supremacy.

The law and therefore police also uphold the stranglehold the ruling class has on the people but one thing at a time.

Believing in the "white supremacy" boogeyman, police should be abolished because they "unfairly" persecute minorities, implying whites are a protected class, and a signature implying leftists are the ones persecuted anywhere on the internet... please, give me just one more ludicrous opinion so I can get the "Second-Hand Opinions Forced Onto Demoralized Drones That Completely Contradict Reality" Bingo. It doesn't matter whether you're the drone who hasn't had an original thought or the aability of critical thinking or the one taking advantage of such a specimen and doing the brainwashing.
I bet you have the most wonderful things to say about gun control which would completely contradict everything else you (claim to) believe in, for example.

[Sanghyeok]

Correct! Police uphold the law, the law upholds white supremacy, therefore the police uphold white supremacy.

The law and therefore police also uphold the stranglehold the ruling class has on the people but one thing at a time.

Believing in the "white supremacy" boogeyman, police should be abolished because they "unfairly" persecute minorities, implying whites are a protected class, and a signature implying leftists are the ones persecuted anywhere on the internet... please, give me just one more ludicrous opinion so I can get the "Second-Hand Opinions Forced Onto Demoralized Drones That Completely Contradict Reality" Bingo. It doesn't matter whether you're the drone who hasn't had an original thought or the aability of critical thinking or the one taking advantage of such a specimen and doing the brainwashing.
I bet you have the most wonderful things to say about gun control which would completely contradict everything else you (claim to) believe in, for example.

Your personal attacks aside, I don't think Page would be supportive of heavy gun control, since leftists in general approve of an armed population.

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

- Ronald Reagan, probably

[Kowani]

Correct! Police uphold the law, the law upholds white supremacy, therefore the police uphold white supremacy.

The law and therefore police also uphold the stranglehold the ruling class has on the people but one thing at a time.

Believing in the "white supremacy" boogeyman,

Not a boogeyman

police should be abolished because they "unfairly" persecute minorities,

well, they're just...really bad at their jobs
that they're unfair to minorities doesn't help that

implying whites are a protected class, and a signature implying leftists are the ones persecuted anywhere on the internet... please, give me just one more ludicrous opinion so I can get the "Second-Hand Opinions Forced Onto Demoralized Drones That Completely Contradict Reality" Bingo. It doesn't matter whether you're the drone who hasn't had an original thought or the aability of critical thinking or the one taking advantage of such a specimen and doing the brainwashing.
I bet you have the most wonderful things to say about gun control which would completely contradict everything else you (claim to) believe in, for example.

what the fuck is this nonsense

[Paddy O Fernature]

Believing in the "white supremacy" boogeyman, police should be abolished because they "unfairly" persecute minorities, implying whites are a protected class, and a signature implying leftists are the ones persecuted anywhere on the internet... please, give me just one more ludicrous opinion so I can get the "Second-Hand Opinions Forced Onto Demoralized Drones That Completely Contradict Reality" Bingo. It doesn't matter whether you're the drone who hasn't had an original thought or the aability of critical thinking or the one taking advantage of such a specimen and doing the brainwashing.
I bet you have the most wonderful things to say about gun control which would completely contradict everything else you (claim to) believe in, for example.

Your personal attacks aside, I don't think Page would be supportive of heavy gun control, since leftists in general approve of an armed population.

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

- Ronald Reagan, probably

Leftists approve of an armed population?

You might want to tell them that.

[United Northen States Canada]

We need police because they exist to protect and enforce law and order and we also need better welfare and more opportunities across the world. However, even if we had opportunities to all citizens I would still safely say that some will break the law and therefore , police is an institution that we will always need. Without law enforcement and fear of being caught and arrested, many would just do whatever they like not knowing or simply ignoring the consequences.
That doesnt mean they can do anything they want (police) they would still need to be controlled and face the same consequence anyone would face if caught breaking the law.

[The Alma Mater]

Your personal attacks aside, I don't think Page would be supportive of heavy gun control, since leftists in general approve of an armed population.

Leftists approve of an armed population?

You might want to tell them that.

*Actual* leftists do. You know, the Guevara type.
Right wingers like democrats are less extreme.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Leftists approve of an armed population?

You might want to tell them that.

*Actual* leftists do. You know, the Guevara type.
Right wingers like democrats are less extreme.

Oh right, "actual leftists"..

[The Two Jerseys]

The police uphold white supremacy, this is true whether the individual cops are or are not white supremacists themselves. When the federal government implemented extreme sentencing for crack cocaine and made the felony quantity so small that people were treated like drug dealers for possessing a personal supply that would last them less than a day, this was a deliberate act of oppression against the black community intended to fill up the prisons, a policy of white supremacy. That is just one example.

The police uphold the law, if you want to bitch about the law do it to lawmakers.

"Can it be true? Are the politicians who make the laws really out of touch?"

"No, it's the police who are wrong!"

[Cordel One]

The police uphold the law, if you want to bitch about the law do it to lawmakers.

"Can it be true? Are the politicians who make the laws really out of touch?"

"No, it's the police who are wrong!"

Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

[Kowani]

The police uphold the law, if you want to bitch about the law do it to lawmakers.

"Can it be true? Are the politicians who make the laws really out of touch?"

"No, it's the police who are wrong!"

politicians make bad laws
police enforce them poorly

no contradictions here

[Des-Bal]

politicians make bad laws
police enforce them poorly

no contradictions here

Wait so the police enforced the racist law poorly? You should thank them. This is a senseless line of discussion, we're talking about whether or not we need police and your argument that they're bad is that they don't have enough power.

[Cordel One]

politicians make bad laws
police enforce them poorly

no contradictions here

Wait so the police enforced the racist law poorly? You should thank them. This is a senseless line of discussion, we're talking about whether or not we need police and your argument that they're bad is that they don't have enough power.

Police enforce racist laws, and some of them go further.

[Jabberwocky]

Above all we need police to arrest skateboarders and other assorted hooligans.

[Adamede]

Believing in the "white supremacy" boogeyman, police should be abolished because they "unfairly" persecute minorities, implying whites are a protected class, and a signature implying leftists are the ones persecuted anywhere on the internet... please, give me just one more ludicrous opinion so I can get the "Second-Hand Opinions Forced Onto Demoralized Drones That Completely Contradict Reality" Bingo. It doesn't matter whether you're the drone who hasn't had an original thought or the aability of critical thinking or the one taking advantage of such a specimen and doing the brainwashing.
I bet you have the most wonderful things to say about gun control which would completely contradict everything else you (claim to) believe in, for example.

Your personal attacks aside, I don't think Page would be supportive of heavy gun control, since leftists in general approve of an armed population.

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

- Ronald Reagan, probably

Those beliefs don't last long in most leftists states it seems.

[Kowani]

Wait so the police enforced the racist law poorly? You should thank them. This is a senseless line of discussion, we're talking about whether or not we need police and your argument that they're bad is that they don't have enough power.

Police enforce racist laws, and some of them go further.

Well
they also enforce ostensibly race-neutral laws in racist ways, which was more what i was referring to

[Feyrisshire]

Leftists approve of an armed population?

You might want to tell them that.

Sakura keeps quoting me here, and perhaps partly the point is lost because I carelessly put in "Ronald Reagan" at the end as a jab.

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

But this quote is actually made by Karl Marx (not Reagan lol) at the 1850 Address to the Communist League - meaning that it indeed is true that the Left has always been traditionally pro-gun rights, considering that arming the workers and giving them guns to launch a socialist revolution has always been a feature of Marxist thought.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Do you have trouble thinking?

It's that many here are too idealistic in their thinking. Any society of course will need some sort of police if it wishes to properly function, even if it were to ditch capitalism as an economic system.

[Adamede]

Do you have trouble thinking?

It's that many here are too idealistic in their thinking. Any society of course will need some sort of police if it wishes to properly function, even if it were to ditch capitalism as an economic system.

But if you point that out you’re a supposedly a pessimist and misanthrope.

[The Two Jerseys]

It's that many here are too idealistic in their thinking. Any society of course will need some sort of police if it wishes to properly function, even if it were to ditch capitalism as an economic system.

But if you point that out you’re a supposedly a pessimist and misanthrope.

But comrade, bourgeoisie will willingly allow their wealth to be redistributed and will not attempt to hoard anything!

[Adamede]

But if you point that out you’re a supposedly a pessimist and misanthrope.

But comrade, bourgeoisie will willingly allow their wealth to be redistributed and will not attempt to hoard anything!

Indeed comrade. And never will force have to be used at all because in the future human beings will be perfect because they live in a perfect society and that’s how the universe actually works *nods*

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

But comrade, bourgeoisie will willingly allow their wealth to be redistributed and will not attempt to hoard anything!

Indeed comrade. And never will force have to be used at all because in the future human beings will be perfect because they live in a perfect society and that’s how the universe actually works *nods*

And the people in charge of the distribution won't keep anything extra for themselves!