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by Cereskia » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:23 pm
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by San Lumen » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:23 pm
by Nilokeras » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:24 pm
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:29 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:However, in practice this has rarely been the case in countries around the world. Instead, cases abound where police have failed to complete their duties, and instead not only bring harm to their communities through brutalising and terrorising their residents through beatings and sexual assault, continuously place business interests above the common people's, and preserving property instead of lives among others.
by Resilient Acceleration » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:35 pm
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Suffice to say police in wealthy nations tend to be very beneficial. Smaller nations especially. Police in poor nations are often corrupt.
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by Mercatus » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:45 pm
by The Imzadi Islands » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:46 pm
Bombadil wrote:San Lumen wrote:Prove it. Reform is better than abolition. How about more transparency by banning encryption of radios, established civilian review boards, encouraging community policing instead of turning people off with extremist rhetoric?
..because a lot of these ideas have been tried and failed, the issue is that the focus is always that the solution is to reform the police in some way without addressing fundamental underlying issues that the police are simply not equipped to deal with.
Take homelessness for example, what exactly can the police do other than move them somewhere else or arrest them, and if any resistance there's violence. None of your solutions address this. The police should not be in the business of managing homeless people. Or take drugs for example, which is generally the major cause of burglaries.. what is the benefit of making it a police problem in terms of arresting drug dealers, which thus leads to mass incarceration. Even domestic abuse, that pre-empts a major amount of murders.. the police can't do much unless the victim presses charges, which they're generally unlikely to do for fear of the consequences.. why are police managing this??
Violence and incarceration are the tools police have, throw police at a problem and you'll get greater violence and incarceration. Instead funding should be diverted to better housing, better drug treatment facilities and programs, better social services.
Fundamentally a lot more money should be diverted into modern, free and universal education and healthcare. That would solve 90% of issues societally. No one expects to eliminate crime so the question is what's the best means of reducing it?
Did you see the items listed in the latest US budget, the fucking waste.. no one can really say this isn't all very affordable given a degree of focus and not just throwing police at societal problems.
by San Lumen » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:51 pm
Mercatus wrote:Yes we do because I want motherfucking Live PD back. TV is boring as shit without it.
by Muralos » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:59 pm
The Imzadi Islands wrote:Bombadil wrote:
..because a lot of these ideas have been tried and failed, the issue is that the focus is always that the solution is to reform the police in some way without addressing fundamental underlying issues that the police are simply not equipped to deal with.
Take homelessness for example, what exactly can the police do other than move them somewhere else or arrest them, and if any resistance there's violence. None of your solutions address this. The police should not be in the business of managing homeless people. Or take drugs for example, which is generally the major cause of burglaries.. what is the benefit of making it a police problem in terms of arresting drug dealers, which thus leads to mass incarceration. Even domestic abuse, that pre-empts a major amount of murders.. the police can't do much unless the victim presses charges, which they're generally unlikely to do for fear of the consequences.. why are police managing this??
Violence and incarceration are the tools police have, throw police at a problem and you'll get greater violence and incarceration. Instead funding should be diverted to better housing, better drug treatment facilities and programs, better social services.
Fundamentally a lot more money should be diverted into modern, free and universal education and healthcare. That would solve 90% of issues societally. No one expects to eliminate crime so the question is what's the best means of reducing it?
Did you see the items listed in the latest US budget, the fucking waste.. no one can really say this isn't all very affordable given a degree of focus and not just throwing police at societal problems.
Well Bombadil, your doe eyed optimism about what a whole lot of free stuff from the government can do across-the-board for all the innumerable combinations of human frailties and attitudes could best be described as "sweet." Perhaps all men are created equal, but they start diverging about 10 seconds after that. Perhaps you shouldn't take the concept so literally/ After millions of years of evolution and just 7000 years of civilization, the best we can say is that we've got better toys. Human beings themselves haven't really changed at all since Sumer. If you think that free healthcare, education, houses, or whatever, will be able to eliminate the unfortunate darkness that haunts the human soul. well, the women around here would say "Bless his heart!" Good luck to you!
by Bombadil » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:02 pm
The Imzadi Islands wrote:Bombadil wrote:
..because a lot of these ideas have been tried and failed, the issue is that the focus is always that the solution is to reform the police in some way without addressing fundamental underlying issues that the police are simply not equipped to deal with.
Take homelessness for example, what exactly can the police do other than move them somewhere else or arrest them, and if any resistance there's violence. None of your solutions address this. The police should not be in the business of managing homeless people. Or take drugs for example, which is generally the major cause of burglaries.. what is the benefit of making it a police problem in terms of arresting drug dealers, which thus leads to mass incarceration. Even domestic abuse, that pre-empts a major amount of murders.. the police can't do much unless the victim presses charges, which they're generally unlikely to do for fear of the consequences.. why are police managing this??
Violence and incarceration are the tools police have, throw police at a problem and you'll get greater violence and incarceration. Instead funding should be diverted to better housing, better drug treatment facilities and programs, better social services.
Fundamentally a lot more money should be diverted into modern, free and universal education and healthcare. That would solve 90% of issues societally. No one expects to eliminate crime so the question is what's the best means of reducing it?
Did you see the items listed in the latest US budget, the fucking waste.. no one can really say this isn't all very affordable given a degree of focus and not just throwing police at societal problems.
Well Bombadil, your doe eyed optimism about what a whole lot of free stuff from the government can do across-the-board for all the innumerable combinations of human frailties and attitudes could best be described as"sweet"/ Perhaps all men are created equal, but they start diverging about 10 seconds after that/ Perhaps you shouldn't take the concept so literally/ After millions of years of evolution and just 7000 years of civilization, the best we can say is that we've got better toys/ Human beings themselves haven't really changed at all since Sumer/ If you think that free healthcare, education, houses, or whatever, will be able to eliminate the unfortunate darkness that haunts the human soul; well, the women around here would say "Bless his heart!" Good luck to you!
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:07 pm
by Bahia Roja » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:09 pm
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:There will always be a need for some form of law enforcement as long as there are shitty human beings out there who rape, murder, burn, destroy, and otherwise cause malicious harm to others.
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:11 pm
Bahia Roja wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:There will always be a need for some form of law enforcement as long as there are shitty human beings out there who rape, murder, burn, destroy, and otherwise cause malicious harm to others.
Sure. But, why do we need to put murderers and rapists in the same category as drug users and homeless people? Why do we give a single institution control over both mentally unstable people and arsonists?
by Muralos » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:19 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:Right, police everywhere serve to protect the state and its interests, not us.
by The Lone Alliance » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:23 pm
by Bahia Roja » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:25 pm
The Lone Alliance wrote:Here's the thing.
Doctors kill an untold number of people each year because of careless mistakes, incompetence, and in rare cases outright maliciousness.
Sometimes even in rare cases it's possible that racism and sexism could even be a factor in deciding how well a doctor does their job in their life.
Most of the time they simply pay off the victim's families and in rare cases they get judged and removed from power.
So in the light that Doctors sometimes kill people because of incompetence should we abolish doctors and go back to faith healing?
by Ard al Islam » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:25 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:Police are often seen as something necessary to protect lives, prevent crime, and preserve order. However, in practice this has rarely been the case in countries around the world.
by Picairn » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:26 pm
by Muralos » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:27 pm
The Lone Alliance wrote:Here's the thing.
Doctors kill an untold number of people each year because of careless mistakes, incompetence, and in rare cases outright maliciousness.
Sometimes even in rare cases it's possible that racism and sexism could even be a factor in deciding how well a doctor does their job in their life.
Most of the time they simply pay off the victim's families and in rare cases they get judged and removed from power.
So in the light that Doctors sometimes kill people because of incompetence should we abolish doctors and go back to faith healing?
No because we realized that while there are problems with the health industry there really isn't anything that much better to replace it with.
by Bahia Roja » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:29 pm
Picairn wrote:Police is still a must. Can a mental health department be equipped and trained to deal with gangs and violent criminals? In my country, gangs occasionally take to the streets with knives and machetes, sometimes even guns, to solve disputes. Unarmed civilians can't do nothing but hide to save their own lives, and that's where the police step in to ensure public order and safety.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:31 pm
Bahia Roja wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:There will always be a need for some form of law enforcement as long as there are shitty human beings out there who rape, murder, burn, destroy, and otherwise cause malicious harm to others.
Sure. But, why do we need to put murderers and rapists in the same category as drug users and homeless people? Why do we give a single institution control over both mentally unstable people and arsonists?
by Bombadil » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:31 pm
Bahia Roja wrote:The Lone Alliance wrote:Here's the thing.
Doctors kill an untold number of people each year because of careless mistakes, incompetence, and in rare cases outright maliciousness.
Sometimes even in rare cases it's possible that racism and sexism could even be a factor in deciding how well a doctor does their job in their life.
Most of the time they simply pay off the victim's families and in rare cases they get judged and removed from power.
So in the light that Doctors sometimes kill people because of incompetence should we abolish doctors and go back to faith healing?
Doctors are held accountable for the mistakes they make. Especially if those mistakes endangered or ended a human life. This is not true however when we are talking about law enforcement. Not a valid comparison.
by Bombadil » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:36 pm
Picairn wrote:Police is still a must. Can a mental health department be equipped and trained to deal with gangs and violent criminals? In my country, gangs occasionally take to the streets with knives and machetes, sometimes even guns, to solve disputes. Unarmed civilians can't do nothing but hide to save their own lives, and that's where the police step in to ensure public order and safety.
by Stellar Colonies » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:39 pm
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Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
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Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
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The Confederacy & the WA.
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by The Lone Alliance » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:39 pm
Bahia Roja wrote:The Lone Alliance wrote:Here's the thing.
Doctors kill an untold number of people each year because of careless mistakes, incompetence, and in rare cases outright maliciousness.
Sometimes even in rare cases it's possible that racism and sexism could even be a factor in deciding how well a doctor does their job in their life.
Most of the time they simply pay off the victim's families and in rare cases they get judged and removed from power.
So in the light that Doctors sometimes kill people because of incompetence should we abolish doctors and go back to faith healing?
Doctors are held accountable for the mistakes they make. Especially if those mistakes endangered or ended a human life. This is not true however when we are talking about law enforcement. Not a valid comparison.
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