The Rise of China

[Shanghai industrial complex]

They are not baby.They know what they're doing. There are at least 75 million supporters of trump.The impact on the Capitol is not a problem, but a consequence of their unresponsive demands and unsolved problems.Can trump lie so many people believe in it?No,they hope.Either the American idiots are too many, or because they hope trump brings change.Trump said what they wanted to say, so they supported him.The reality is that the data shows that American capitalists are getting richer, while the number of middle class is declining.They were bitter, they were angry, and trump discovered and used this. So Hillary lost and Biden won hard.

Yes, I've heard that narrative. My problem with it is that I find it ridiculous. Trump himself is a millionaire (billionaire?) whose company has dealings all over the world; he benefits from globalism, despite his words against it. Not to mention, if what you say is true and the middle class is still declining while the rich are getting richer, doesn't that mean Trump has failed in the very duty that they tasked him to do? Either way, it was always foolish of them to put so much on the shoulders of one man, even if that man is president; the problems affecting the middle class are many and complex and Trump could have never fixed it all.

Of course Trump can't solve it.Expectation is one thing, problem-solving ability is another.It's like hyping stocks. Trump makes some promises, and as long as some of them are partially realized, investors will continue to invest.In the era of trump, the U.S. stock market was unprecedentedly prosperous, the U.S. economy continued to grow most of the time, there was no new war, some troops were withdrawn, and he built a wall.He had the upper hand in negotiations with every trading partner until he met China.If 2020 is not so extraordinary, will trump lose the election?Trump supporters love this, and they think that trump, who has done these things, can solve their problems.If you read Trump's policies in 2016, you will find that he pointed out many problems that Democrats never touched because of arrogance or political correctness.Trump doesn't need and doesn't have the ability to solve problems, he just needs to construct a story.If you think he's stupid, it doesn't matter. You're not the target of his speech.People like nekostan-e Gharbi are the voters he wants to win (I don't know if he has the right to vote).
In short, the problem is not caused by trump, and trump does not need to solve it. He just needs to make people think that he is trying to solve the problem. If he doesn't succeed, there must be a conspiracy to stop him.He just needs to say the problem and then casually say some cool solutions.You don't like illegal immigration? It doesn't matter. Let's build a wall.Voter:Wow.cool!I love this guy.The result is that, as you can see, the problem is not solved and left to Biden.But don't forget, they didn't even dare to say these questions before.American politicians most are elites. But only trump said what they really cared about in a way that they understood.They certainly won't be with Biden.

[Yuzu China]

Yes, I've heard that narrative. My problem with it is that I find it ridiculous. Trump himself is a millionaire (billionaire?) whose company has dealings all over the world; he benefits from globalism, despite his words against it. Not to mention, if what you say is true and the middle class is still declining while the rich are getting richer, doesn't that mean Trump has failed in the very duty that they tasked him to do? Either way, it was always foolish of them to put so much on the shoulders of one man, even if that man is president; the problems affecting the middle class are many and complex and Trump could have never fixed it all.

Of course Trump can't solve it.Expectation is one thing, problem-solving ability is another.It's like hyping stocks. Trump makes some promises, and as long as some of them are partially realized, investors will continue to invest.In the era of trump, the U.S. stock market was unprecedentedly prosperous, the U.S. economy continued to grow most of the time, there was no new war, some troops were withdrawn, and he built a wall.He had the upper hand in negotiations with every trading partner until he met China.If 2020 is not so extraordinary, will trump lose the election?Trump supporters love this, and they think that trump, who has done these things, can solve their problems.If you read Trump's policies in 2016, you will find that he pointed out many problems that Democrats never touched because of arrogance or political correctness.Trump doesn't need and doesn't have the ability to solve problems, he just needs to construct a story.If you think he's stupid, it doesn't matter. You're not the target of his speech.People like nekostan-e Gharbi are the voters he wants to win (I don't know if he has the right to vote).
In short, the problem is not caused by trump, and trump does not need to solve it. He just needs to make people think that he is trying to solve the problem. If he doesn't succeed, there must be a conspiracy to stop him.He just needs to say the problem and then casually say some cool solutions.You don't like illegal immigration? It doesn't matter. Let's build a wall.Voter:Wow.cool!I love this guy.The result is that, as you can see, the problem is not solved and left to Biden.But don't forget, they didn't even dare to say these questions before.American politicians most are elites. But only trump said what they really cared about in a way that they understood.They certainly won't be with Biden.

Stock loving American conservatives are too superficial. They don't realize how hypocritical they are, if they did vote for who they said they'd vote for, they'd vote for Democrat presidents: https://www.investopedia.com/presidents ... et-4587369 Actually, American conservatism is a joke, frankly. The conservative Wall Street Journal points out who's better governed: https://www.wsj.com/graphics/red-economy-blue-economy/ (In short: Democrats.) If you think I'm just another "fake news liberal Democrat," go check my Nationstates nation.

The minute anyone can bring up the China evil narrative in the same breath as defending capitalism, Ayn Rand and socialist Israel (Kibbutz, etc) much less Israeli human rights, there's no need to waste your energy. I say this as someone who is strongly proIsrael/antiPalestine.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

The warlords? Hello?

After the fall of the Imperial System in China, China essentially was balkanized into many, many smaller states. Did this create prosperity for China like you predicted? No, it just led to rampant warlordism and corruption as everyone wanted to unify China and did everything they could (including bribe crime syndicates or even join them like Sun Yat-Sen did) to actually attain it. The result was that corruption was sky high, particularly in the provinces.

This issue wasn't solved until the RoC was exiled to Taiwan and the PRC essentially obliterated the warlords and fired them from living. After that, corruption shifted to the reasons that it happens today in China (i.e because of the rich and powerful influencing government like they always have in capitalist societies). Criminal syndicates weren't being paid to help unite China anymore, and the warlords were gone, so that Chinese unification type of corruption just collapsed.

The essence of the problem you mentioned is that China was not actually abolished. Instead a lot of warlords laid claim to China.

...and what makes you think that splitting up China (which is what the warlords did) won't result in ethnic tensions arising from most of those states being, y'know Chinese and all that?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

The essence of the problem you mentioned is that China was not actually abolished. Instead a lot of warlords laid claim to China.

...and what makes you think that splitting up China (which is what the warlords did) won't result in ethnic tensions arising from most of those states being, y'know Chinese and all that?

That’s not an ethnic tension lol. Instead it’s the Sinostatist Hobbesian struggle for supremacy. It’s almost as if China has it’s own abolitionist ideology where every China tries to abolish every other China.

[UniversalCommons]

I think it fits a pattern of decline and rise. As the intellectual foundations in the west crumble, more people will move to China to develop a new knowledge base. This is already happening with China taking the lead in artificial intelligence. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chin ... r-n1107806 It is a pattern where knowledge moves to where more educated people are. This will compound as advances are made in the near future. It is a wake up call much like the moon shot was with Russia.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I think it fits a pattern of decline and rise. As the intellectual foundations in the west crumble, more people will move to China to develop a new knowledge base. This is already happening with China taking the lead in artificial intelligence. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chin ... r-n1107806 It is a pattern where knowledge moves to where more educated people are. This will compound as advances are made in the near future. It is a wake up call much like the moon shot was with Russia.

Sadly neither the social left nor the social right tends to contribute much to intellectualism in the West.

[The Horror Channel]

Indian work attitude is the worst in the world. They are lazy, careless and boastful.My friend came back from a business trip to Qualcomm,they have a very low opinion of all Indian programmers.

You are not Tibetan unlike me, you understand nothing. India is one of the world's poorest, backwards and illiterate countries.

I don't have to get started on the Central Asian/Iran basketcases? Check the covid charts/econ indicators

Do I smell racism?

No, but thanks for playing

Why haven't you gone back to Twitter yet?

Why haven't you?

[The Horror Channel]

We are discussing the Governance of India specifically, which is itself the joke of the century. As a Tibetan I don't want them to govern me at all, that is a terrifying suggestion. I'll repost the context of my quote which you conveniently cut out:

「You are not Tibetan unlike me, you understand nothing. India is one of the world's poorest, backwards and illiterate countries. It can't handle itself much less Pakistan or whatever. It is on the brink of collapse after the massive Covid lockdown protests. You must explain exactly how this country who has completely failed Covid control has to teach Tibet, who under China has one of the world's best responses? I don't feel very 「free」 choking to death from Covid, do you? Tibetans are ultimately not South Asian at all, there is no commonality at all. Mistreat what, go back to banning modern science while practicing literal monastic slavery? Go recheck the covid charts/econ indicators」

「P.S. Isolationism leading to such factually inaccurate beliefs is one of the “features” of China which has to be abolished along with China itself"」
Go look in the mirror. I'm not going to waste time redebunking stuff like who studies abroad in what numbers or who's publishing the papers because you refuse to read what others like me write at all, as proven above, so you end up wasting other people's time. Since you'd like to play the racism game: true racism is forcing this aforementioned failed incompetence onto us Tibetans, whether it's Indian or Western.

「Freeze don’t move, bring them all
It’s noisy, stop talking now
Your mind and heart
Even your every minute and second
Someone asks us who we are
We don’t necessarily have to explain
But proudly now freeze this stage
And break everything with a hand gesture」

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpIG9dq ... l=TOPMEDIA

Hello. Greatest enemy here.

You gotta watch out for that one guy, he wants to touch you where you pee.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Huawei patent mentions use of Uighur-spotting tech

A Huawei patent has been brought to light for a system that identifies people who appear to be of Uighur origin among images of pedestrians.
The filing is one of several of its kind involving leading Chinese technology companies, discovered by a US research company and shared with BBC News.
Huawei had previously said none of its technologies was designed to identify ethnic groups.
It now plans to alter the patent.

So... anybody still want 5G from these genocide-enablers?

[Picairn]

Why haven't you?

Ah yes, a No u. Very original.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

...and what makes you think that splitting up China (which is what the warlords did) won't result in ethnic tensions arising from most of those states being, y'know Chinese and all that?

That’s not an ethnic tension lol. Instead it’s the Sinostatist Hobbesian struggle for supremacy. It’s almost as if China has it’s own abolitionist ideology where every China tries to abolish every other China.

Stop using the nonexistent concept of "sinostatism" please. Wanting to unify the Chinese people (or really any ethnic group) is called nationalism. It's not anything else.

Good luck enforcing a divided China especially in the 21st century, where nationalism makes that sort of thing an impossibility.

[The New California Republic]

Huawei patent mentions use of Uighur-spotting tech

A Huawei patent has been brought to light for a system that identifies people who appear to be of Uighur origin among images of pedestrians.
The filing is one of several of its kind involving leading Chinese technology companies, discovered by a US research company and shared with BBC News.
Huawei had previously said none of its technologies was designed to identify ethnic groups.
It now plans to alter the patent.

So... anybody still want 5G from these genocide-enablers?

Has horrid parallels with how tech companies' technology was used to find and exterminate the Jews.

[Dowaesk]

Of course Trump can't solve it.Expectation is one thing, problem-solving ability is another.It's like hyping stocks. Trump makes some promises, and as long as some of them are partially realized, investors will continue to invest.In the era of trump, the U.S. stock market was unprecedentedly prosperous, the U.S. economy continued to grow most of the time, there was no new war, some troops were withdrawn, and he built a wall.He had the upper hand in negotiations with every trading partner until he met China.If 2020 is not so extraordinary, will trump lose the election?Trump supporters love this, and they think that trump, who has done these things, can solve their problems.If you read Trump's policies in 2016, you will find that he pointed out many problems that Democrats never touched because of arrogance or political correctness.Trump doesn't need and doesn't have the ability to solve problems, he just needs to construct a story.If you think he's stupid, it doesn't matter. You're not the target of his speech.People like nekostan-e Gharbi are the voters he wants to win (I don't know if he has the right to vote).
In short, the problem is not caused by trump, and trump does not need to solve it. He just needs to make people think that he is trying to solve the problem. If he doesn't succeed, there must be a conspiracy to stop him.He just needs to say the problem and then casually say some cool solutions.You don't like illegal immigration? It doesn't matter. Let's build a wall.Voter:Wow.cool!I love this guy.The result is that, as you can see, the problem is not solved and left to Biden.But don't forget, they didn't even dare to say these questions before.American politicians most are elites. But only trump said what they really cared about in a way that they understood.They certainly won't be with Biden.

Stock loving American conservatives are too superficial. They don't realize how hypocritical they are, if they did vote for who they said they'd vote for, they'd vote for Democrat presidents: https://www.investopedia.com/presidents ... et-4587369 Actually, American conservatism is a joke, frankly. The conservative Wall Street Journal points out who's better governed: https://www.wsj.com/graphics/red-economy-blue-economy/ (In short: Democrats.) If you think I'm just another "fake news liberal Democrat," go check my Nationstates nation.

The minute anyone can bring up the China evil narrative in the same breath as defending capitalism, Ayn Rand and socialist Israel (Kibbutz, etc) much less Israeli human rights, there's no need to waste your energy. I say this as someone who is strongly proIsrael/antiPalestine.

Gone from critisizing Westerners to now blaming Palestinians and Arabs? I dont understand how a small and broken country like Palestine can affect a Superpower like China.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That’s not an ethnic tension lol. Instead it’s the Sinostatist Hobbesian struggle for supremacy. It’s almost as if China has it’s own abolitionist ideology where every China tries to abolish every other China.

Stop using the nonexistent concept of "sinostatism" please. Wanting to unify the Chinese people (or really any ethnic group) is called nationalism. It's not anything else.

Good luck enforcing a divided China especially in the 21st century, where nationalism makes that sort of thing an impossibility.

It’s not. Forcing ethnic Chinese people (e.g. Hong Kongers, Taiwanese) who don’t want to be in China to be in China is not nationalism. A good analogy is UK attempting to force Anglos in North America to obey its king. That’s pure, undiluted statism that in fact contradicts the concept of self-rule while nationalism (e.g. Serbs in Vukovar want to be in Serbia instead of Croatia) includes self-rule for members of an ethnic group.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Stop using the nonexistent concept of "sinostatism" please. Wanting to unify the Chinese people (or really any ethnic group) is called nationalism. It's not anything else.

Good luck enforcing a divided China especially in the 21st century, where nationalism makes that sort of thing an impossibility.

It’s not. Forcing ethnic Chinese people (e.g. Hong Kongers, Taiwanese) who don’t want to be in China to be in China is not nationalism. A good analogy is UK attempting to force Anglos in North America to obey its king. That’s pure, undiluted statism that in fact contradicts the concept of self-rule while nationalism (e.g. Serbs in Vukovar want to be in Serbia instead of Croatia) includes self-rule for members of an ethnic group.

...and what does this have to do with splitting even the Mandarin parts of China into multiple states?

Your proposal to "abolish China" doesn't mean "free all the non-Mandarins but let them have their own state," it's "dismantle China into many states, regardless of ethnicity." To paint it any other way is intellectually dishonest at best.

Also, I thought the Hong Kongers wanted to leave China more because it was undemocratic and less "oh we want our own state." Ideally, the RoC (which today is democratic) would be ruling Hong Kong and the ethnic Chinese lands.

You still haven't disproven a united democratic China.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Huawei patent mentions use of Uighur-spotting tech

A Huawei patent has been brought to light for a system that identifies people who appear to be of Uighur origin among images of pedestrians.
The filing is one of several of its kind involving leading Chinese technology companies, discovered by a US research company and shared with BBC News.
Huawei had previously said none of its technologies was designed to identify ethnic groups.
It now plans to alter the patent.

So... anybody still want 5G from these genocide-enablers?

It is the first time we actually agree..

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It’s not. Forcing ethnic Chinese people (e.g. Hong Kongers, Taiwanese) who don’t want to be in China to be in China is not nationalism. A good analogy is UK attempting to force Anglos in North America to obey its king. That’s pure, undiluted statism that in fact contradicts the concept of self-rule while nationalism (e.g. Serbs in Vukovar want to be in Serbia instead of Croatia) includes self-rule for members of an ethnic group.

...and what does this have to do with splitting even the Mandarin parts of China into multiple states?

Your proposal to "abolish China" doesn't mean "free all the non-Mandarins but let them have their own state," it's "dismantle China into many states, regardless of ethnicity." To paint it any other way is intellectually dishonest at best.

Also, I thought the Hong Kongers wanted to leave China more because it was undemocratic and less "oh we want our own state." Ideally, the RoC (which today is democratic) would be ruling Hong Kong and the ethnic Chinese lands.

You still haven't disproven a united democratic China.

I don’t deny what I want.

Hong Kongers not only don’t like China but also mainland Chinese because it has a different, authoritarian, odd culture. Moreover mainland Chinese don’t tend to like Hong Kongers either. Same for mainland Chinese vs Taiwanese that goes beyond mere politics. The hatred is serious enough that many mainland Chinese refer to Taiwanese as “frogs” while many Taiwanese use the Japanese ethnic slang “Shina” for China and mainland Chinese.

Compare that to how ethnic Germans from Germany, Austria and Switzerland or ethnic Bulgarians from Bulgaria and North Macedonia interact we can see a serious difference. Even liberal democracy and Anglo / Japanese rule can not stop the natural lack of social unity of ethnic Chinese from manifesting.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

...and what does this have to do with splitting even the Mandarin parts of China into multiple states?

Your proposal to "abolish China" doesn't mean "free all the non-Mandarins but let them have their own state," it's "dismantle China into many states, regardless of ethnicity." To paint it any other way is intellectually dishonest at best.

Also, I thought the Hong Kongers wanted to leave China more because it was undemocratic and less "oh we want our own state." Ideally, the RoC (which today is democratic) would be ruling Hong Kong and the ethnic Chinese lands.

You still haven't disproven a united democratic China.

I don’t deny what I want.

Hong Kongers not only don’t like China but also mainland Chinese because it has a different, authoritarian, odd culture. Moreover mainland Chinese don’t tend to like Hong Kongers either. Same for mainland Chinese vs Taiwanese that goes beyond mere politics. The hatred is serious enough that many mainland Chinese refer to Taiwanese as “frogs” while many Taiwanese use the Japanese ethnic slang “Shina” for China and mainland Chinese.

Compare that to how ethnic Germans from Germany, Austria and Switzerland or ethnic Bulgarians from Bulgaria and North Macedonia interact we can see a serious difference. Even liberal democracy and Anglo / Japanese rule can not stop the natural lack of social unity of ethnic Chinese from manifesting.

...or it could be for the same reason that North Koreans and South Koreans don't get along, being from two very different regimes. Yet I don't hear you calling for the abolition of Korea (and I don't just mean the 50/50 split).

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I don’t deny what I want.

Hong Kongers not only don’t like China but also mainland Chinese because it has a different, authoritarian, odd culture. Moreover mainland Chinese don’t tend to like Hong Kongers either. Same for mainland Chinese vs Taiwanese that goes beyond mere politics. The hatred is serious enough that many mainland Chinese refer to Taiwanese as “frogs” while many Taiwanese use the Japanese ethnic slang “Shina” for China and mainland Chinese.

Compare that to how ethnic Germans from Germany, Austria and Switzerland or ethnic Bulgarians from Bulgaria and North Macedonia interact we can see a serious difference. Even liberal democracy and Anglo / Japanese rule can not stop the natural lack of social unity of ethnic Chinese from manifesting.

...or it could be for the same reason that North Koreans and South Koreans don't get along, being from two very different regimes. Yet I don't hear you calling for the abolition of Korea (and I don't just mean the 50/50 split).

South Koreans often hate North Korea but not North Koreans. The Chinese culture is a very different situation where Chinese people generally hate other Chinese people more than non-Chinese people.

Even within the same regime people from almost all over mainland China hate people from Henan and other forms of regional hatred is common.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

...or it could be for the same reason that North Koreans and South Koreans don't get along, being from two very different regimes. Yet I don't hear you calling for the abolition of Korea (and I don't just mean the 50/50 split).

South Koreans often hate North Korea but not North Koreans. The Chinese culture is a very different situation where Chinese people generally hate other Chinese people more than non-Chinese people.

Even within the same regime people from almost all over mainland China hate people from Henan and other forms of regional hatred is common.

So... basically the USA then, yes?

The only evidence I can find of any real "rivalry" between provinces is over Chinese speakers disagreeing over pronunciation. That sounds like a situation similar to here in the US, where we have people from different states disagreeing over how to pronounce some English words, or even differ in English terminology altogether.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

South Koreans often hate North Korea but not North Koreans. The Chinese culture is a very different situation where Chinese people generally hate other Chinese people more than non-Chinese people.

Even within the same regime people from almost all over mainland China hate people from Henan and other forms of regional hatred is common.

So... basically the USA then, yes?

The only evidence I can find of any real "rivalry" between provinces is over Chinese speakers disagreeing over pronunciation. That sounds like a situation similar to here in the US, where we have people from different states disagreeing over how to pronounce some English words, or even differ in English terminology altogether.

Don't believe him.Hate Henan people is just a joke on the Internet.Just like idiotic news in Florida.No one hate.There is only one Chinese we hate are after being slaves to foreigners for a long time, who feel that Chinese people are inferior to others everywhere, foreigners are superior, and also blame other people for disobeying foreign masters.

[Adamede]

So... basically the USA then, yes?

The only evidence I can find of any real "rivalry" between provinces is over Chinese speakers disagreeing over pronunciation. That sounds like a situation similar to here in the US, where we have people from different states disagreeing over how to pronounce some English words, or even differ in English terminology altogether.

Don't believe him.Hate Henan people is just a joke on the Internet.Just like idiotic news in Florida.

I don’t think you understand that a lot of that comes from real world stereotypes.

No one hate.There is only one Chinese we hate are after being slaves to foreigners for a long time, who feel that Chinese people are inferior to others everywhere, foreigners are superior, and also blame other people for disobeying foreign masters.

Lol

[New haven america]

So... basically the USA then, yes?

The only evidence I can find of any real "rivalry" between provinces is over Chinese speakers disagreeing over pronunciation. That sounds like a situation similar to here in the US, where we have people from different states disagreeing over how to pronounce some English words, or even differ in English terminology altogether.

Don't believe him.Hate Henan people is just a joke on the Internet.Just like idiotic news in Florida.No one hate.There is only one Chinese we hate are after being slaves to foreigners for a long time, who feel that Chinese people are inferior to others everywhere, foreigners are superior, and also blame other people for disobeying foreign masters.

Uh, I hate the CCP thank you, not all Chinese.

In fact, Taiwan is gorgeous, Hong Kong and Macau used to be great before China ruined them, and Singapore (Minus the whole authoritarian bit they should really be getting over) is quite frankly the leading example that South East Asian countries should be following.

No, the problem with the CCP and PRC is that they suck and do more harm to the world than good.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

So... basically the USA then, yes?

The only evidence I can find of any real "rivalry" between provinces is over Chinese speakers disagreeing over pronunciation. That sounds like a situation similar to here in the US, where we have people from different states disagreeing over how to pronounce some English words, or even differ in English terminology altogether.

Don't believe him.Hate Henan people is just a joke on the Internet.Just like idiotic news in Florida.No one hate.There is only one Chinese we hate are after being slaves to foreigners for a long time, who feel that Chinese people are inferior to others everywhere, foreigners are superior, and also blame other people for disobeying foreign masters.

Lol.

Reality does not care about your feelings. China objectively sucks and hence has to be abolished.

It’s interesting that you think in BDSM reasoning lol. There aren’t slaves or masters..

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Don't believe him.Hate Henan people is just a joke on the Internet.Just like idiotic news in Florida.No one hate.There is only one Chinese we hate are after being slaves to foreigners for a long time, who feel that Chinese people are inferior to others everywhere, foreigners are superior, and also blame other people for disobeying foreign masters.

Uh, I hate the CCP thank you, not all Chinese.

In fact, Taiwan is gorgeous, Hong Kong and Macau used to be great before China ruined them, and Singapore (Minus the whole authoritarian bit they should really be getting over) is quite frankly the leading example that South East Asian countries should be following.

No, the problem with the CCP and PRC is that they suck and do more harm to the world than good.

That’s why I argued that China should be abolished and that such abolition is beneficial. If the problem with China were actually genetic the abolition wouldn’t have helped. It is precisely since it isn’t that abolitionism is optimal.