The Rise of China

[Stellar Colonies]

Or a Xi, as an American would say.

Xi was not elected so he doesn’t count. My examples are democratic leaders who have become authoritarian.

Ah.

[Asoliea]

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Japanese and Southern Korean......OK
Japanese lost in WWII. But ironically become the dog of Americans.
Remember Plaza Accord? That's cost for becoming a dog.
Southern Korean even can't protect themselves from the North without American.
Chinese need to be independent.
East Turkestan have far more object. Their ideal territory is includeing five Stan in middle Asia. Let them independent would only make it become second Afghanistan. Besides uygur can still use their language. No genocide happened there.
Tibet independent is the first step make it become Indian territory. No body remember Sikkim anymore?
And I would say Most people in Hong Kong don't want to be independent,don't mention Macau.
There are not much interior factor make China Balkanize.
And why Americans blame China for spreading Corovirus? Although we already told them a pandemic is coming?
I'll keep this in my mind.

Dog?

What exactly do you think the Japanese military & industries are? South Korea also has a very strong military. Japan likely already have designed nuclear weapons lol. So nope Japan is not a canine of the United States. It does not even always support US in international problems.

Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to East Turkestan and Tibet? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be Chinese anyway. Let them go and everyone will be happier. The only concern is with the source of Yangtze and Yellow Rivers that are currently in Qinghai. If Tibet ever takes it it must never be allowed to dam the rivers.

I can remember countless times when China,ROK and Japan come together and discussing free trade agreement. Either ROK's or Japan's economy minister get some accident. Like suddenly resign or "sucide".
Japan have strong arm industry. Why not just declare independence and get raid of US Army? Or they're just in the same situation like Taiwan?
Just like you said,water supply must be secured. But who can be so sure that Dalai Lama won't fell to India and give you a punch?
Nobody want to see a country at war which is beside you.

[Asoliea]

Lol. China does need to be abolished. Self-hating Sinostatist 韭菜 like you are precisely why China and China-induced problems still exist.

Problems ?Where's problem?People like you are the problem.You are a trump supporter who calls himself a senior Chinese,oh,wait ,Sangleyia as you say.China is now well, with social stability and good economy, which makes trump and people angry.Now, one of our great pleasures every night is to get party together and laugh at American elections on social media.Good time,so good time.I don't know will we have such a good time after Trump's left.News is much more interesting than political satire.Thanks trump and thanks people like you.

I thought he was a "姨学家"，but seem like he wants Chinese become the shadow controllers of world like Jews in Western images. Maybe this is final evolution of "皇汉".

[Asoliea]

看得懂汉语但不说可还行，驴唇不对马嘴的，你的“私人原因”，而不是理论分析，你们姨学理论翻来覆去也就那些。
还有，所谓“清算”并不是把你们干掉啊，我可期待着资本主义因为自身的无能崩溃的那一天。
“中国”总有一天会消失，我不质疑这一点。
所有国家最后都会消失，不过资本主义会死的更快，随之而来的就是抛弃了那些国家利益，团结起来建设世界的人民了。

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Sorry,my bad

[Asoliea]

I strongly disagree. Both countries are unusually capitalist but for different reasons. America has too much white-black conflict for social democracy to work. Chinese on the other hand are simply way too disunited even without any ethnic or racial conflict for social democracy to work.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Germany etc are different because they have much higher levels of social unity to sustain a social democracy.

I'm not certain about black/white conflict being the sole reason behind it in the US, but it is true that both the US and PRC are not really as culturally tuned for that political system as other countries (not that the ones you listed are more socialist than capitalist), which is unfortunate. If they were though, it would certainly be better for the people living in both countries than the current systems ruling each one now.

Real socialism had good people base. As Capitalists are more and more unwelcome in China. We could see fully nationalize in most 50 years.

Are they becoming more and more unwelcome, though? The PRC's current regime would need to be fully toppled and replaced in order to establish true socialism, just like the current long-running US regime, since both will always resist it unless extensively infiltrated from within.

It do,dude. It do.
More and more people are pissed off by capitalists.
10 years ago if you say Long live the CPC in the street you would be seen as a brainwashed freak.
Now more and more people are learning Marxism themselves.
That's a good start.
You can't build socialism without capitalism.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

You was saying that "Well,You'd better give up arguing with him.He's just repeating the same thing over and over again.No matter what you say, he will repeat what he said again final,Even if it doesn't matter logically at all.That's why many people initially suspected it was a robot account."
You were right,and now,just stop and do something more useful.
Everything else can be it.

Can you actually win an argument with me? I think I have made it very clear why China needs to be abolished and what I want to replace it with. It’s pretty radical but consistent.

It's pretty consistent at having bad logic, I'll give you that.

[Kexholm Karelia]

You was saying that "Well,You'd better give up arguing with him.He's just repeating the same thing over and over again.No matter what you say, he will repeat what he said again final,Even if it doesn't matter logically at all.That's why many people initially suspected it was a robot account."
You were right,and now,just stop and do something more useful.
Everything else can be it.

Can you actually win an argument with me? I think I have made it very clear why China needs to be abolished and what I want to replace it with. It’s pretty radical but consistent.

Do you want to become a Chinese warlord or something?

[Yuzu China]

.
Japanese and Southern Korean......OK
Japanese lost in WWII. But ironically become the dog of Americans.
Remember Plaza Accord? That's cost for becoming a dog.
Southern Korean even can't protect themselves from the North without American.
Chinese need to be independent.
East Turkestan have far more object. Their ideal territory is includeing five Stan in middle Asia. Let them independent would only make it become second Afghanistan. Besides uygur can still use their language. No genocide happened there.
Tibet independent is the first step make it become Indian territory. No body remember Sikkim anymore?
And I would say Most people in Hong Kong don't want to be independent,don't mention Macau.
There are not much interior factor make China Balkanize.
And why Americans blame China for spreading Corovirus? Although we already told them a pandemic is coming?
I'll keep this in my mind.

Dog?

What exactly do you think the Japanese military & industries are? South Korea also has a very strong military. Japan likely already have designed nuclear weapons lol. So nope Japan is not a canine of the United States. It does not even always support US in international problems.

Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to East Turkestan and Tibet? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be Chinese anyway. Let them go and everyone will be happier. The only concern is with the source of Yangtze and Yellow Rivers that are currently in Qinghai. If Tibet ever takes it it must never be allowed to dam the rivers.

What? I am part Tibetan. I don't want to live under monastic slavery as a serf. In the 「good old days,」 modern medicine was forbidden, don't get started on modern science. Now we share in the blessings of China such as this: China's greatest (co)invention of the century>> https://youtu.be/XpIG9dq1PQw?t=151

「Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to T̶i̶b̶e̶t̶ Palestine, (Confederate) Mississippi, Ohio? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be C̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ Israeli, American anyway」
You have answered your own question. Refer to the Communist Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/graphics/red-economy-blue-economy/
or the medically impossible, courtesy of lobbyists: https://www.dispatch.com/news/20191211/ ... regnancies

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Problems ?Where's problem?People like you are the problem.You are a trump supporter who calls himself a senior Chinese,oh,wait ,Sangleyia as you say.China is now well, with social stability and good economy, which makes trump and people angry.Now, one of our great pleasures every night is to get party together and laugh at American elections on social media.Good time,so good time.I don't know will we have such a good time after Trump's left.News is much more interesting than political satire.Thanks trump and thanks people like you.

I thought he was a "姨学家"，but seem like he wants Chinese become the shadow controllers of world like Jews in Western images. Maybe this is final evolution of "皇汉".

Neither. It is more like an alliance of Jewish, Anglo, Chinese, Lebanese, Gujarati Indian and other merchants and intellectuals will run and protect the world from all internal and external threats to humanity. Stuff such as Nazism, alien invasions etc belong to the same class, namely threats to humanity. We should work together and address them. This will be a world where pogroms won’t ever happen. Turks won’t be able to murder Greeks, Solomon Islanders won’t be able to murder Chinese, Ugandans won’t be able to murder Gujaratis and nobody will ever murder a Jewish person for being Jewish. It will be a world where Amy Chuas in the world will perpetually be safe.

I’m more concerned about humanity as a whole than one ethnic group. It’s not that hard for a Northeast Asian group to rise to the top on this planet in the 21st century but I believe given the lack of cultural integration between NE Asia and the rest of the world this will probably cause the Egyptian-Greco-Roman-Germanic civilization and other European & Middle Eastern civilizations to be lost. This is why I prefer a gradual mutual integration.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Dog?

What exactly do you think the Japanese military & industries are? South Korea also has a very strong military. Japan likely already have designed nuclear weapons lol. So nope Japan is not a canine of the United States. It does not even always support US in international problems.

Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to East Turkestan and Tibet? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be Chinese anyway. Let them go and everyone will be happier. The only concern is with the source of Yangtze and Yellow Rivers that are currently in Qinghai. If Tibet ever takes it it must never be allowed to dam the rivers.

I can remember countless times when China,ROK and Japan come together and discussing free trade agreement. Either ROK's or Japan's economy minister get some accident. Like suddenly resign or "sucide".
Japan have strong arm industry. Why not just declare independence and get raid of US Army? Or they're just in the same situation like Taiwan?
Just like you said,water supply must be secured. But who can be so sure that Dalai Lama won't fell to India and give you a punch?
Nobody want to see a country at war which is beside you.

Japan is independent lol. What makes you think it isn’t? Its policies are good for the Japanese people now.

[Stellar Colonies]

Dog?

What exactly do you think the Japanese military & industries are? South Korea also has a very strong military. Japan likely already have designed nuclear weapons lol. So nope Japan is not a canine of the United States. It does not even always support US in international problems.

Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to East Turkestan and Tibet? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be Chinese anyway. Let them go and everyone will be happier. The only concern is with the source of Yangtze and Yellow Rivers that are currently in Qinghai. If Tibet ever takes it it must never be allowed to dam the rivers.

What? I am part Tibetan. I don't want to live under monastic slavery as a serf. In the 「good old days,」 modern medicine was forbidden, don't get started on modern science. Now we share in the blessings of China such as this: China's greatest (co)invention of the century>> https://youtu.be/XpIG9dq1PQw?t=151

「Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to T̶i̶b̶e̶t̶ Palestine, (Confederate) Mississippi, Ohio? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be C̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ Israeli, American anyway」
You have answered your own question. Refer to the Communist Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/graphics/red-economy-blue-economy/
or the medically impossible, courtesy of lobbyists: https://www.dispatch.com/news/20191211/ ... regnancies

What? I am part Tibetan. I don't want to live under monastic slavery as a serf. In the 「good old days,」 modern medicine was forbidden, don't get started on modern science. Now we share in the blessings of China such as this: China's greatest (co)invention of the century>> https://youtu.be/XpIG9dq1PQw?t=151

A modern independent Tibet would not necessarily go back to how it was when it was conquered in 1950, anymore than Texas would go back to being the lightly populated agrarian country it was when the US annexed it.

「Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to T̶i̶b̶e̶t̶ Palestine, (Confederate) Mississippi, Ohio? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be C̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ Israeli, American anyway

The people in the states of Mississippi and Ohio (this one was never Confederate) are generally fine with being American, however much they disagree with the federal government. There aren't any secessionist tendencies there which are comparable to Palestine or the more secessionist-leaning variants of Hong Kongers.

[Saiwania]

I'm not excited about the rise of China and anyone who backs them, I'd consider an enemy- being that I'm a Populist-Right American nationalist. China is far worse than the Soviet Union ever was from my standpoint.

I've identified a key weakness within China that can perhaps be exploited, that can really knock that government down a peg. And that is the Uygur of Xinjiang. I think they could effectively rebel if given the means to do so. I don't actually have any care in the world about their human rights, but do like their potential as a proxy tool/force that can keep China busy indefinitely, too busy anyways- to where their external influence building/global ambitions gets interrupted if not stopped.

[Asoliea]

What? I am part Tibetan. I don't want to live under monastic slavery as a serf. In the 「good old days,」 modern medicine was forbidden, don't get started on modern science. Now we share in the blessings of China such as this: China's greatest (co)invention of the century>> https://youtu.be/XpIG9dq1PQw?t=151

「Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to T̶i̶b̶e̶t̶ Palestine, (Confederate) Mississippi, Ohio? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be C̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ Israeli, American anyway」
You have answered your own question. Refer to the Communist Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/graphics/red-economy-blue-economy/
or the medically impossible, courtesy of lobbyists: https://www.dispatch.com/news/20191211/ ... regnancies

What? I am part Tibetan. I don't want to live under monastic slavery as a serf. In the 「good old days,」 modern medicine was forbidden, don't get started on modern science. Now we share in the blessings of China such as this: China's greatest (co)invention of the century>> https://youtu.be/XpIG9dq1PQw?t=151

A modern independent Tibet would not necessarily go back to how it was when it was conquered in 1950, anymore than Texas would go back to being the lightly populated agrarian country it was when the US annexed it.

「Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to T̶i̶b̶e̶t̶ Palestine, (Confederate) Mississippi, Ohio? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be C̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ Israeli, American anyway

The people in the states of Mississippi and Ohio (this one was never Confederate) are generally fine with being American, however much they disagree with the federal government. There aren't any secessionist tendencies there which are comparable to Palestine or the more secessionist-leaning variants of Hong Kongers.

Tibetan tradition makes it impossible to become a modern republic. Even you make it become. It will soon become theocracy nation as an indian puppet.
If you launch a independent vote,you'll know what are most Tibetans thinking.

[Asoliea]

I'm not excited about the rise of China and anyone who backs them, I'd consider an enemy- being that I'm a Populist-Right American nationalist. China is far worse than the Soviet Union ever was from my standpoint.

I've identified a key weakness within China that can perhaps be exploited, that can really knock that government down a peg. And that is the Uygur of Xinjiang. I think they could effectively rebel if given the means to do so. I don't actually have any care in the world about their human rights, but do like their potential as a proxy tool/force that can keep China busy indefinitely, too busy anyways- to where their external influence building/global ambitions gets interrupted if not stopped.

East Turkestan have far more object. Their ideal territory is includeing five Stan in middle Asia. Let them independent would only make it become second Afghanistan. Besides uygur can still use their language. No genocide happened there.

And this is another CIA' propaganda. Just like Sryia and Iraq,don't get too clever,it's not good for your country.

[Yuzu China]

What? I am part Tibetan. I don't want to live under monastic slavery as a serf. In the 「good old days,」 modern medicine was forbidden, don't get started on modern science. Now we share in the blessings of China such as this: China's greatest (co)invention of the century>> https://youtu.be/XpIG9dq1PQw?t=151

A modern independent Tibet would not necessarily go back to how it was when it was conquered in 1950, anymore than Texas would go back to being the lightly populated agrarian country it was when the US annexed it.

「Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to T̶i̶b̶e̶t̶ Palestine, (Confederate) Mississippi, Ohio? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be C̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ Israeli, American anyway

The people in the states of Mississippi and Ohio (this one was never Confederate) are generally fine with being American, however much they disagree with the federal government. There aren't any secessionist tendencies there which are comparable to Palestine or the more secessionist-leaning variants of Hong Kongers.

Tibetan tradition makes it impossible to become a modern republic. Even you make it become. It will soon become theocracy nation as an indian puppet.
If you launch a independent vote,you'll know what are most Tibetans thinking.

They actually like being part of China. I'm one of them. In fact, nowadays lots of overseas Tibetans are returning back to evil China, just check the numbers.

[Infected Mushroom]

Tibetan tradition makes it impossible to become a modern republic. Even you make it become. It will soon become theocracy nation as an indian puppet.
If you launch a independent vote,you'll know what are most Tibetans thinking.

They actually like being part of China. I'm one of them. In fact, nowadays lots of overseas Tibetans are returning back to evil China, just check the numbers.

I have heard from my friends in China that China is spending a lot of resources to help modernize Tibet and improve the quality of life there. Tibet seems to have benefitted from China’s rising economic power. I hope the rest of the region and the world can as well

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm not certain about black/white conflict being the sole reason behind it in the US, but it is true that both the US and PRC are not really as culturally tuned for that political system as other countries (not that the ones you listed are more socialist than capitalist), which is unfortunate. If they were though, it would certainly be better for the people living in both countries than the current systems ruling each one now.


Are they becoming more and more unwelcome, though? The PRC's current regime would need to be fully toppled and replaced in order to establish true socialism, just like the current long-running US regime, since both will always resist it unless extensively infiltrated from within.

It do,dude. It do.
More and more people are pissed off by capitalists.
10 years ago if you say Long live the CPC in the street you would be seen as a brainwashed freak.
Now more and more people are learning Marxism themselves.
That's a good start.
You can't build socialism without capitalism.

Indeed. This is why China adopts socialism with Chinese characteristics. And it seems to be working well as far as improving China’s economy and the lives of its citizens.

[Cordel One]

I'm not certain about black/white conflict being the sole reason behind it in the US, but it is true that both the US and PRC are not really as culturally tuned for that political system as other countries (not that the ones you listed are more socialist than capitalist), which is unfortunate. If they were though, it would certainly be better for the people living in both countries than the current systems ruling each one now.


Are they becoming more and more unwelcome, though? The PRC's current regime would need to be fully toppled and replaced in order to establish true socialism, just like the current long-running US regime, since both will always resist it unless extensively infiltrated from within.

It do,dude. It do.
More and more people are pissed off by capitalists.
10 years ago if you say Long live the CPC in the street you would be seen as a brainwashed freak.
Now more and more people are learning Marxism themselves.
That's a good start.
You can't build socialism without capitalism.

Sweatshops with suicide nets are not necessary for the advancement of socialism an China has no intention of ever transitioning to such a state. Deng killed the Chinese Revolution. Like Mao said himself, "He does not understand Marxism-Leninism, he represents the capitalist class".

[The Marlborough]

I'm not excited about the rise of China and anyone who backs them, I'd consider an enemy- being that I'm a Populist-Right American nationalist. China is far worse than the Soviet Union ever was from my standpoint.

I've identified a key weakness within China that can perhaps be exploited, that can really knock that government down a peg. And that is the Uygur of Xinjiang. I think they could effectively rebel if given the means to do so. I don't actually have any care in the world about their human rights, but do like their potential as a proxy tool/force that can keep China busy indefinitely, too busy anyways- to where their external influence building/global ambitions gets interrupted if not stopped.

This is such a hilariously bad way to deal with China as a threat. Xinjiang wouldn't be able to last long and even if it did it wouldn't be enough to keep China busy.

[The Horror Channel]

I'd rather support China and abolish Israel.

Israel is the real threat to global security, and a massive apartheid state.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Tibetan tradition makes it impossible to become a modern republic. Even you make it become. It will soon become theocracy nation as an indian puppet.
If you launch a independent vote,you'll know what are most Tibetans thinking.

They actually like being part of China. I'm one of them. In fact, nowadays lots of overseas Tibetans are returning back to evil China, just check the numbers.

Well, you are not representative for Tibetans. If you personally want to be part of China, so be it. That doesn’t mean others should also be there.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I'd rather support China and abolish Israel.

Israel is the real threat to global security, and a massive apartheid state.

It’s funny that nations of the world have a really high ethical standard for Israel and Jewish people and at the same time zero standard for China. It’s as if even antisemites reluctantly agree that Israel is a Light Unto the Nations.

Israel is not a threat to global security since it is about as large as Massachusetts (well, Israel is 8% larger than MA but you get it). How is it a threat to anyone or anything?? Antisemites are an existential threat to Jewish security and Israeli activities are defense against antisemitic extermination attempts.

Ok. What is an Apartheid state? The word “Apartheid” is originally Afrikaner. For Israel to be an Apartheid state it needs to actually have legal ethnicity-based segregation and deny all Arabs citizenship. Hmm..has that happened? Nope.

[Castelia]

The People's Republic of China has stolen my country's rightful territories in the West Philippine Sea (see Philippines v. China case) and funded local communist terrorist groups in the past, and overall continues to be a menace and national security threat to my homeland.

That's reason enough for me to oppose it in any way whatsoever.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

The People's Republic of China has stolen my country's rightful territories in the West Philippine Sea (see Philippines v. China case) and funded local communist terrorist groups in the past, and overall continues to be a menace and national security threat to my homeland.

That's reason enough for me to oppose it in any way whatsoever.

Yup. China needs to be abolished. Iterations of China never functioned like a normal state. They never cared about their own subjects, tended to have strict emigration control and loved to build Potemkin Villages before foreigners such as Tocharians boasting that China was the richest place on this planet while Chinese subjects were starving.

[The Horror Channel]

I'd rather support China and abolish Israel.

Israel is the real threat to global security, and a massive apartheid state.

It’s funny that nations of the world have a really high ethical standard for Israel and Jewish people and at the same time zero standard for China. It’s as if even antisemites reluctantly agree that Israel is a Light Unto the Nations.

Israel is not a threat to global security since it is about as large as Massachusetts (well, Israel is 8% larger than MA but you get it). How is it a threat to anyone or anything?? Antisemites are an existential threat to Jewish security and Israeli activities are defense against antisemitic extermination attempts.

Ok. What is an Apartheid state? The word “Apartheid” is originally Afrikaner. For Israel to be an Apartheid state it needs to actually have legal ethnicity-based segregation and deny all Arabs citizenship. Hmm..has that happened? Nope.

Wrong